The Open Political Debate Topic.

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I watched the Republican forum debate this morning that I tivoed last night (tivoed because talking to my Joy is more important! Which we have 3 or 4 hours a night since Jan. 17th, 2006).

This is how I see it.

My scorecard: Republicans

Ron Paul: Gone, Never had a chance and a fringe candidate. You know that when you have the 20's something college students as your base that is the kiss of death. A few beers and a party invitation on election night and there goes your base. The war position kills him, Americans have not been happy about the war lately, but they don't want to lose it.

Fred Thompson: Gone after South Carolina. Good man, Waited too long, not enough energy to do what it takes to get the nod. I had high hopes at the start but he waited too long.

Mike Huckabee: Gone after Super Tuesday, fade to footnote in history. The media have pushed this man because they know he is unelectable. Which is the way they want it. To make such a man the nominee would guarantee a Democrat victory. The Dem's would not vote for him on his religious beliefs. The Republicans would not vote for her on his liberal and populist positions that never work well to gain a majority.

Rudy Guiliani: Maybe able to get the nomination if he can survive long enough to get to Super Tuesday. His Skills as a leader make him more than able to be President. His social issue positions can will not hurt if he can make it past the early small states. One problem is that all the air is being used up by others. Because of him not being front and center during the early states that he is not competitive in. I would support him for President if he was the nominee.

Mitt Romney: Maybe able to get the nomination if he can gain momentum with a New Hampshire victory. Regardless of any previous positions, if he implemented the policies as he is articulating now he would be a very successful President. He has the right policy on immigration and taxes. While health care position is adequate, but so far health care has never surfaces as a major issue no matter what the media says to push it. The war will not be an issue by the time we get to the general election, the media war coverage will be minimal at best because reconciliation and success never make the headlines. The polls are shifting back to positive opinion as well. I would support him for President and am starting to lean towards him. He is a very intelligent man.

John McCain: Only chance to win is to win in New Hampshire, but this is a very likely scenario. He was 100% correct about the war. The change that Americans wanted in the war was to win, not surrender. But they wanted it 2 years before it happened. John McCain has not been a friend to conservatives, while professing to be one. If he was to win by a 3 or 4 point margin in New Hampshire, he could take the wind out of Romney and it would be between McCain and Rudy. He is very popular in America and would be a tough candidate for the Dem's to handle. I would reluctantly support him for President.

My scorecard: The Democrats

Hillary Clinton: The train has left the station and Hillary was not on the platform! She has no choice to attack Obama. But these attacks will not be effective against Obama. The Clinton attack machine is a well oiled machine, she has finally found the one person that is going to be immune to her KGB tactics that the Clinton's have used since the early days. The illegal immigration question at the debate put the chink in her armor that has let the Obama pull off her mask inevitability and invulnerability. All while Obama looking positive and upbeat. Now the Clinton attacks will only cement Hillary's mean B!t@h image. She was more vulnerable to losing to the Republican candidate. Her base is the 50+ "NOW' women's lib'ers. That is not a very strong position. People were only supporting her because they thought she could win. That myth is now shattered. People in general do not like her, even if the love and adore Bill. I would vote to make her director of a retirement center some place, not President. People deep down really think that having a 4 years of Bush, 8 years of Clinton , then 8 years of Bush is enough. 4 more years of Clinton again is just too much! I do know that with her defeat for the presidency should be the end of the 60's generation baby boomer's chances to reform the the American Government in their image.

Barack Obama: The Democratic Nominee! I don't see any way around it. He is a great candidate, and the Republicans will have to run hard to beat him. But, he is vulnerable on a few fronts. His experience will become and issue in the future. Once the exuberance wears off. Remember that the election is a long long ways off this time around. That is a long grind to just ride on the hope issue and upbeat platitudes. The events will be very fluid up to that point. Anything is likely to happen. The Change message may be able to get him elected, but more often than not it only leads to a single term in office. I would not vote for Obama, but I would not treat him with the vitriol that comes out of the left when they are not in power. Only opposing the policies that will be destructive to our country, economy or way of life. Good Luck to him he is much more preferable to Hillary in my opinion.

That's it IMO!

Edited January 7, 2008 by Don_Joy's Prince

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OH! by the way, John Edwards is done.

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OH! by the way, John Edwards is done.

I watched the Dem debate a few days ago, the one in NH. He seemed to be cozying up to Barack. Maybe he wants to be Veep, again. Either that, or he's counting on Hillary's exit and wants to take him on himself. If anyone can take on Barack, it's him.

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OH! by the way, John Edwards is done.

I watched the Dem debate a few days ago, the one in NH. He seemed to be cozying up to Barack. Maybe he wants to be Veep, again. Either that, or he's counting on Hillary's exit and wants to take him on himself. If anyone can take on Barack, it's him.

You may have a point

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I watched the Republican forum debate this morning that I tivoed last night (tivoed because talking to my Joy is more important! Which we have 3 or 4 hours a night since Jan. 17th, 2006).

This is how I see it.

My scorecard: Republicans

Ron Paul: Gone, Never had a chance and a fringe candidate. You know that when you have the 20's something college students as your base that is the kiss of death. A few beers and a party invitation on election night and there goes your base. The war position kills him, Americans have not been happy about the war lately, but they don't want to lose it.

Fred Thompson: Gone after South Carolina. Good man, Waited too long, not enough energy to do what it takes to get the nod. I had high hopes at the start but he waited too long.

Mike Huckabee: Gone after Super Tuesday, fade to footnote in history. The media have pushed this man because they know he is unelectable. Which is the way they want it. To make such a man the nominee would guarantee a Democrat victory. The Dem's would not vote for him on his religious beliefs. The Republicans would not vote for her on his liberal and populist positions that never work well to gain a majority.

Rudy Guiliani: Maybe able to get the nomination if he can survive long enough to get to Super Tuesday. His Skills as a leader make him more than able to be President. His social issue positions can will not hurt if he can make it past the early small states. One problem is that all the air is being used up by others. Because of him not being front and center during the early states that he is not competitive in. I would support him for President if he was the nominee.

Mitt Romney: Maybe able to get the nomination if he can gain momentum with a New Hampshire victory. Regardless of any previous positions, if he implemented the policies as he is articulating now he would be a very successful President. He has the right policy on immigration and taxes. While health care position is adequate, but so far health care has never surfaces as a major issue no matter what the media says to push it. The war will not be an issue by the time we get to the general election, the media war coverage will be minimal at best because reconciliation and success never make the headlines. The polls are shifting back to positive opinion as well. I would support him for President and am starting to lean towards him. He is a very intelligent man.

John McCain: Only chance to win is to win in New Hampshire, but this is a very likely scenario. He was 100% correct about the war. The change that Americans wanted in the war was to win, not surrender. But they wanted it 2 years before it happened. John McCain has not been a friend to conservatives, while professing to be one. If he was to win by a 3 or 4 point margin in New Hampshire, he could take the wind out of Romney and it would be between McCain and Rudy. He is very popular in America and would be a tough candidate for the Dem's to handle. I would reluctantly support him for President.

My scorecard: The Democrats

Hillary Clinton: The train has left the station and Hillary was not on the platform! She has no choice to attack Obama. But these attacks will not be effective against Obama. The Clinton attack machine is a well oiled machine, she has finally found the one person that is going to be immune to her KGB tactics that the Clinton's have used since the early days. The illegal immigration question at the debate put the chink in her armor that has let the Obama pull off her mask inevitability and invulnerability. All while Obama looking positive and upbeat. Now the Clinton attacks will only cement Hillary's mean B!t@h image. She was more vulnerable to losing to the Republican candidate. Her base is the 50+ "NOW' women's lib'ers. That is not a very strong position. People were only supporting her because they thought she could win. That myth is now shattered. People in general do not like her, even if the love and adore Bill. I would vote to make her director of a retirement center some place, not President. People deep down really think that having a 4 years of Bush, 8 years of Clinton , then 8 years of Bush is enough. 4 more years of Clinton again is just too much! I do know that with her defeat for the presidency should be the end of the 60's generation baby boomer's chances to reform the the American Government in their image.

Barack Obama: The Democratic Nominee! I don't see any way around it. He is a great candidate, and the Republicans will have to run hard to beat him. But, he is vulnerable on a few fronts. His experience will become and issue in the future. Once the exuberance wears off. Remember that the election is a long long ways off this time around. That is a long grind to just ride on the hope issue and upbeat platitudes. The events will be very fluid up to that point. Anything is likely to happen. The Change message may be able to get him elected, but more often than not it only leads to a single term in office. I would not vote for Obama, but I would not treat him with the vitriol that comes out of the left when they are not in power. Only opposing the policies that will be destructive to our country, economy or way of life. Good Luck to him he is much more preferable to Hillary in my opinion.

That's it IMO!

Did you write that yourself?

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

Yes, Steven....and?!?

Edited January 8, 2008 by Don_Joy's Prince

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yes, Steven....and?!?

Well stated.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

Yes, Steven....and?!?

Well stated.

Thanks, a couple errors, but it works. They sure don't give you much time to edit. Better off to proof read before posting.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

This is how I see it.

My scorecard: Republicans

Ron Paul: Gone, Never had a chance and a fringe candidate. You know that when you have the 20's something college students as your base that is the kiss of death. A few beers and a party invitation on election night and there goes your base. The war position kills him, Americans have not been happy about the war lately, but they don't want to lose it.

Fred Thompson: Gone after South Carolina. Good man, Waited too long, not enough energy to do what it takes to get the nod. I had high hopes at the start but he waited too long.

Mike Huckabee: Gone after Super Tuesday, fade to footnote in history. The media have pushed this man because they know he is unelectable. Which is the way they want it. To make such a man the nominee would guarantee a Democrat victory. The Dem's would not vote for him on his religious beliefs. The Republicans would not vote for her on his liberal and populist positions that never work well to gain a majority.

Rudy Guiliani: Maybe able to get the nomination if he can survive long enough to get to Super Tuesday. His Skills as a leader make him more than able to be President. His social issue positions can will not hurt if he can make it past the early small states. One problem is that all the air is being used up by others. Because of him not being front and center during the early states that he is not competitive in. I would support him for President if he was the nominee.

Mitt Romney: Maybe able to get the nomination if he can gain momentum with a New Hampshire victory. Regardless of any previous positions, if he implemented the policies as he is articulating now he would be a very successful President. He has the right policy on immigration and taxes. While health care position is adequate, but so far health care has never surfaces as a major issue, no matter what the media says to push it. The war will not be an issue by the time we get to the general election, the media war coverage will be minimal at best because reconciliation and success never make the headlines. The polls are shifting back to positive opinion as well. I would support him for President and am starting to lean towards him. He is a very intelligent man.

John McCain: Only chance to win is to win in New Hampshire, but this is a very likely scenario. He was 100% correct about the war. The change that Americans wanted in the war was to win, not surrender. But they wanted it 2 years before it happened. John McCain has not been a friend to conservatives, while professing to be one. If he was to win by a 3 or 4 point margin in New Hampshire, he could take the wind out of Romney and it would be between McCain and Rudy. He is very popular in America and would be a tough candidate for the Dem's to handle. I would reluctantly support him for President.

My scorecard: The Democrats

Hillary Clinton: The train has left the station and Hillary was not on the platform! She has no choice to attack Obama. But these attacks will not be effective against Obama. The Clinton attack machine is a well oiled machine, she has finally found the one person that is going to be immune to her KGB tactics that the Clinton's have used since the early days. The illegal immigration question at the debate put the chink in her armor that has let the Obama pull off her mask inevitability and invulnerability. All while Obama looking positive and upbeat. Now the Clinton attacks will only cement Hillary's mean B!t@h image. She was more vulnerable to losing to the Republican candidate. Her base is the 50+ "NOW' women's lib'ers. That is not a very strong position. People were only supporting her because they thought she could win. That myth is now shattered. People in general do not like her, even if the love and adore Bill. I would vote to make her director of a retirement center some place, not President. People deep down really think that having a 4 years of Bush, 8 years of Clinton , then 8 years of Bush is enough. 4 more years of Clinton again is just too much! I do know that with her defeat for the presidency should be the end of the 60's generation baby boomer's chances to reform the the American Government in their image.

Barack Obama: The Democratic Nominee! I don't see any way around it. He is a great candidate, and the Republicans will have to run hard to beat him. But, he is vulnerable on a few fronts. His experience will become and issue in the future. Once the exuberance wears off. Remember that the election is a long long ways off this time around. That is a long grind to just ride on the hope issue and upbeat platitudes. The events will be very fluid up to that point. Anything is likely to happen. The Change message may be able to get him elected, but more often than not it only leads to a single term in office. I would not vote for Obama, but I would not treat him with the vitriol that comes out of the left when they are not in power. Only opposing the policies that will be destructive to our country, economy or way of life. Good Luck to him he is much more preferable to Hillary in my opinion.

That's it IMO!

Now it is almost 2 months later. I think I was pretty close. Huckabee was finished when I said, but he likes the attention and must not have anything else to do.

Is Barrack ever going to say anything that is not vacuous?

Edited February 25, 2008 by Don_Joy's Prince