Ryan & Inna

Well if your the typical Ukrainian woman and your into stiletto heels and mini skirts...don't change anything when you get here. Keep dressing sexy.



when its time for move im sending all my cloths there

Inna,

I'm sure you enjoyed the responses from people not associated with Ukraine, Russia or other FSU countries. I guess their regional forums are just too boring.

My wife is from Kyiv also and she is very happy here. But, you have to remember the reason you are coming to America. You want to be with the man you love. As far as some of your comments about the USA, why don't you reserve your judgment until you have been here a while.

If you want to be taken seriously, then do those things we all do. Fill out the timeline, tell us a little about where your will be living and ask what can you really expect.

Since you are so young, adjusting to life in America will probably not be that tough. The hardest part will be missing your family, friends and all that you have known. That's one reason this site is called Visa Journey. You are taking the adventure of your life and only the future will tell you what is in store for you.

No, no. Dont think that i judje. I only express my general thoughts. I just hear from everybody how great US is. But nobody can answer why is it? Of couse im sure that ill like it when im there. But as i dont have experience i started this topic.

The winters are warmer here.........................................................at least they used to be

Hahah .....Its winter in Ukraine right now. Thermometer shows - 1 C. Last night my future husband told it was like - 15 C in US .So yes... they used to be.....

I'm guessing you spent some time in the States and/or Canada...your English is only too good....same with your spelling. So I'm going to guess again and say this is the husband to be posting, and not the wife to be. Nice try. btw your topic is what we call "trolling".

Im studying english from 5 years old, the same as german. + had private english teacher, who used to work for British embassy. so thats no wonder that i know foreign languages so good.

ok I give you the clothes, "strict rules" not sure what you are talking about here

not sure why smiling is a problem either..

What changed for the better?

Hmm... they never turn off the hot water in your apartment building here in the middle of the winter (unless you don't pay the bill)

you can make more the $160 a month here and buy more "ugly clothes" or whatever you want

Much less likely to encounter someone here who smells bad because they were conserving water or didn't own a washing machine (although it happens )

when you own your home here, YOU own it not the state and your mom, dad brothers and sisters too.

You will NEVER encounter a "stand up" Soviet style toilet or rough sandpaper like toilet paper again living here.

Oh there is no Lukashenko , or putin or any of those characters running things.

You don't have to bribe cops or government officials

Most Americans DON"T live with parents into their late twenties early thirties and rarely live with their parents after marriage

Oh and Disneyland and Las Vegas are here in the States

and someone will later chime in we have guns and pie

Finnaly a good post!! Thanks. But in Ukraine im living seperately from my parents since im 18 y o. And didnt really have problems with money. The information about hot water is really cool..lol Thanks again.

This is a very inappropriate way to start a thread. If you want genuine responses, start your thread neutral. This is not the site to express interracial/international rancor.

Im not expressing rancor. Im just expressing my concerns. And im just looking for experience of other people.

I cant stay in Ukraine because i want to be with my love. And there are no obvious opportunities for him here.

Im moving to US. I love my fiance but i dont like anything about the USA. Ugly clothes, strict rules, stupid smile on everyones face. Im perfectly good in my own city Kiev, Ukraine. I have everything i want here.  My fiance says that if not for his well-paid job in US we would probably live in Ukraine. So id like to here stories from girls who moved from Ukraine/Russia/Belarus to US. What changed for better and what changed for worse. Really looking forward to  hear some informative stories

Скажите пожалуйста какие прививки нужно иметь для того чтоб форма DC-3025 считалась комплит. Очень не хочется по десять раз по докторам бегать, вот и хочу сделать все недостающие прививки в Киеве до медосмотра и чтоб мне форму 3025 полностью заполнили. В интернете не могу найти эту форму, только экземляры за 2003 год. Заранее большое спасибо. Инна.

For Ukraine Police certificate

do they just need a copy of internal passport / do they make the copy for the ~3 weeks while they process the certificate ?

vFor Ukraine Police certificate

do they make the photocopy or should we bring a photocopy of passport?

And what other documentation do they need for certificate?

birth certificate copy

internal passport copy

how many passport photos?

For Ukraine Police certificate

do they just need a copy of internal passport / do they make the copy for the ~3 weeks while they process the certificate ?

Is this immigration 'card' the same thin piece of paper I filled out when I entered in early August where they stamped it and then one of Inna's friends told me "dont lose that piece of paper!"

And when I left in November they just took it when I went through passport control

When we are traveling to US from Ukraine

Can we go through foreigner check point together or do we go separately through our respective checkpoints (Me (USC) through foreigner checkpoint and Inna through Ukraine citizen checkpoint). I assume at this time is when Ukraine Passport, Greencard (or AP), and Name change certified documents (translated apostilled marriage certificate and if obtained translated and apostilled name change court order) are presented?

Thanks!

God bless everyone for sharing your experiences!

You do not need ANY stamp in the passport before leaving Ukraine. The laws have changed greatly since 1995. If any such thing was necessary you would either need to get it before the issuance of the visa or you would be advised of it at the visa interview. They do neither. An example is the Philippines which has several items the women MUST do before they can get the visa issued. One is to attend some sort of training class.

It is not unusual for the women to hear lots of inaccurate information. Alla did. The consulate put it best to me when they said "She has a visa issued by the United States they BETTER NOT try to stop her!" Alla had heard she needed some sort of stamp saying she didn't owe any taxes in order to leave the country.

That is comforting to hear...

What about the stamp for subsequent trips to Ukraine / USA... if traveling on greencard will passport control give trouble (are they looking for such stamp?) for not having the "stamp" in her international passport... at this time We're planning to come back to Ukraine for a visit every few months once we get greencard (we may consider going on AP but the time differences to greencard seems not too bad).

From what I've gathered as long as there is a Ukrainian Resident (Living IN Ukraine) listed as an owner of the flat -- the tax issues do not become 10x and there is little to worry about...

Our situation is currently this:

Inna has flat ownership with her mother and is worried about getting the immigration stamp in her international (external) passport. This excerpt from the law is from 1995 mentions you have to hand in your local passport...but since its from 1995 we dont know if its still in effect?... we assume it is. And it mentions something about releasing your ownership and only after this they put the stamp into the international passport. Inna does not want to lose her ownership in the flat.

The only reason we "think" we need this stamp is for passport control when leaving Ukraine AND to change Inna's name in her International Passport and Internal Passport.. Is this when we should have Inna's USA permenant address somehow (not sure how) affixed to her internal and external passports

We're not fully informed yet and are seeking advice

(also note this post is from 2005)

http://www.zhensovet.com/ut/topic/4431-iaadhaaae-eiieadhaoeeaae/page__st__20

П О С Т А Н О В А

від 31 березня 1995 р. N 231

Про затвердження Правил оформлення і видачі

паспортів громадянина України для виїзду за

кордон і проїзних документів дитини, їх

тимчасового затримання та вилучення

....

13. Для виїзду на постійне проживання за кордон у паспорті

робиться відповідний запис, виїжджаючий здає свій паспорт

громадянина України з позначкою про виписку з місця проживання.

Під час видачі паспорта для зазначеної мети громадянину

роз'яснюється вимога статті 21 Закону України "Про громадянство України" ( 1636-12 ), згідно з якою він зобов'язаний після прибуття на місце проживання за кордоном стати на облік у дипломатичному представництві або консульській установі України.

При этом закон "Про громадянство України" на который ссылается ст.13 уже не действует, и следовательно штамп получать нужно, а регистрироваться в консульстве - нет.

А насчет потребуют ли штамп на выезде - это как повезет. Теоретически штамп должен быть, но воспрепятствовать Вашему выезду на основании отсутствия штампа по закону вроде нельзя. Думай сама....

Does anyone know what the property taxes become "if" choose to become a USC ?

also

Does property taxes change when becoming a permenant resident in USA? (when owning property in UA)

just curious, not sure where to look

thanks!

Kind of off topic but I just realized that I "think" Borispol has the new body image machine thing when going through security to fly away when I left UA in early november... can anyone confirm this and how do we decline going through such machine... I just remember standing sideways with 2 feet prints

I wanna make sure I know how to tell them nooooooo (and not get taken to a side room and miss flight) when leaving in January...

Im fine with a pat down!

Just no to radiation being pumped into me by minimum wage employees that have no concept of what its doing to our bodies

A recent conversation with my brother:

Brother: either way, they probably are safe right now while they're new and calibrated fromt he factory

me: but i didnt raise my arm, i just stood sideways

Brother: but given that there's been incidents with medical radiation therapy machines being operated by PHD radiologists giving people way over doses of radiation, I don't exactly have much confidence in these machines being operated by the minimum wage security theater morons, as soon as they start to get older, I'm sure they're not going to keep paying techs to come in and check the calibration and more radiation will just mean clearer images so nobody is going to bother to fix them unless they're emitting too little radiation

me: eeks

Brother: also, they say the machines cant save images, what about the guy that sneaks in his cell phone and takes a picture of the screen? not to mention the fact that 100 images from a similar machine that "cant save images" were leaked as they were saved, so they can save images and theres more than one way to get an image off these machines. so I call BS.

me: lovely

Brother: yep, not to mention, half the time if you go through the scanner, you get the same pat down anyway

Just came to mind...

Are USA marriages recognized in Ukraine?

In Ukrainian Government's eyes.. are we married if married in USA?

Inna had mentioned to me that it could be possible to just change her name with her documents before the K1 interview to my name because apparently theres no requirements to what name you have you just submit documents to OVIR and they do the change.

My only concern would be that the I-129F packet would not match when interview comes and raise flags... anyone have any opinion on this 'potential' solution?

I suppose she would have an official document from Ukraine that she would present to the consulate but of course her maiden name then be my name. Then we will have married with same last name...

Great information,

thank you everyone!

And yes we plan to completely fulfill and exceed the greencard requirements when we say we will rotate.

We have family that can check mail for us if we use AP... we may just wait for greencard but we want to know we can travel before if needed. (if homesick)

I'm looking into the court order document that proves name change so that when we travel we have the apostilled court order document indicating name change, apostilled marriage cert and all supporting documents so that maybe Inna can retain her maiden name in Ukrainian documents. She has property ownership so we're confused about name change and retaining ownership etc. We'll prolly do another visit to ukrainian lawyer to discuss this when I am in UA in December.

I just got my Ukraine Visa and I agree seeing names translated into Cryllic is cool

oh and...

This site is...just plain... amazing

Hello everyone,

We're new to the forum and just wanted to say thank you for all the advice and experience that is here. It has definitely made our I-129F process less painful and stressful.

While we wait we're going over every detail with regards to the future and how, what, where, when we need to file.

Inna (my fiancee) is not (yet) interested in USA citizenship nor staying prolonged USA and we discussed that we can and will rotate between USA and UA.

Here lies our first issue:

1. Once married we will file for AOS with the inclusion of the AP (travel document)

2. Based on the information around VJ and the internet the AP (travel document) takes about 60-90 days to receive.

3. Once we receive the AP (travel document) we want to go back to UA and begin the name change process for Inna's international UA passport. AP will have our name and Inna's passport will show her former name. We've read this can raise red flags when going through customs and usually given a hard time even with supporting documents showing the change.

4. http://www.ukrconsul.org//consular/pass_name_change.html --- The Ukrainian Consulate indicates that to do name change must be done at her local OVIR office in UA and cannot be done at the Consulate since she does not have the immigration stamp from UA officials granting permission to change permanent residence to USA.

5. To do a name change .. from what has been read a new international passport will be issued. So if a new passport is issued will customs agent be confused why we have a brand new passport with a AP and no stamps inside passport.

6. We're also reading about the permission to immigrate if you wish to remain a UA citizen and live in USA after K1 visa you need to have proper permission (some sort of stamp).

Within this requirement there is mention from notarized letter that neither parent is owed money by the child. UA codex states that parents have financial right to gain support from child once child is an adult. (surprised that I could not find anything about this on VJ.. probably because no one goes back to UA or just travels on US passport and disappears off the UA radar)

Soo.. we're still reading the process and we're wondering if anyone has run into this situation and what the best (fastest) way to solve it.

We did discuss keeping her maiden name but we were not too interested in that.

Thanks in advance!

-Ryan