pwolocen

My stepdaughter is a 20 year old college student(Full Time). Both she and my wife have 10 year Green Cards. They came to the US in November of 2010 and have permanent residence since March of 2011. I know that my wife can apply after 3 years. Does my stepdaughter have to wait 5 years ? On the application there is a section that gets the daughter's information, to what purpose?

My wife thinks that she will automatically be included in the application for citizenship and I believe she will have to meet the 5 year requirement.(And file her own separate application.)

Any clarification on this situation will be greatly appreciated!

California Service Center (17 applicants)

VJName..............Date of I-751...NOA1 Date.......Biometrics.....Approved....

CARDSFN.............12/27/12........01/03/13........02/06/13.......--/--/--....

MEGGYMO.............12/29/12........01/04/13........01/25/13.......--/--/--....

FITZY...............12/31/12........01/03/13........01/30/13.......--/--/--....

ANGELI..............01/02/13........01/04/13........01/31/13.......--/--/--....

ATENCIO.............01/06/13........01/08/13........02/06/13.......--/--/--....

AMY AND MICHAEL.....01/07/13........01/10/13........02/08/13.......--/--/--....

VOLU................01/10/13........01/17/13........02/12/13.......--/--/--....

BOKKIEANDGUAPO......01/12/13........01/19/13........02/15/13.......--/--/--....

PINKRANGER..........01/14/13........01/17/13........02/13/13.......--/--/--....

SEKO................01/14/13........01/19/13........02/15/13.......--/--/--....

DON AND VENUS.......01/16/13........01/23/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

ROYTMINI............01/16/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

ADAM & MAY..........01/19/13........01/24/13........02/14/13.......--/--/--....(Early bio 01/30)

MOAZ................01/19/13........01/22/13........02/22/13.......--/--/--....

SHVIK...............01/19/13........01/22/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

JOHN & FLOR.........01/22/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

BEWILDERING.........01/26/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

Vermont Service Center (26 applicants)

VJName..............Date of I-751...NOA1 Date.......Biometrics.....Approved....

KAOSPOUSE...........12/30/12........01/04/13........01/30/13.......--/--/--....(Early bio 01/17)

KVPANDPKP...........01/03/13........01/07/13........01/31/13.......--/--/--....

CONFUSING...........01/04/13........01/07/13........02/04/13.......--/--/--....

BERNIE C............01/07/13........01/14/13........02/07/13.......--/--/--....

ANKY................01/09/13........01/12/13........02/06/13.......--/--/--....

INKOREA.............01/10/13........01/15/13........01/31/13.......--/--/--....

M + M...............01/10/13........01/14/13........02/12/13.......--/--/--....(Early bio 01/31)

MAIRO...............01/11/13........01/14/13........02/11/13.......--/--/--....

CANADIAGIRL.........01/12/13........01/18/13........02/13/13.......--/--/--....

SOPETITE............01/12/13........01/16/13........02/13/13.......--/--/--....(Early bio 01/29)

CRAZYMAZY...........01/14/13........01/16/13........02/15/13.......--/--/--....

INDIGOSKIES.........01/14/13........01/17/13........02/19/13.......--/--/--....

MIKE9...............01/14/13........01/16/13........02/12/13.......--/--/--....

NGO3361.............01/14/13........01/17/13........02/11/13.......--/--/--....

TAATABUNNY..........01/15/13........01/18/13........02/21/13.......--/--/--....

D0CYAN..............01/16/13........01/18/13........02/19/13.......--/--/--....(Early bio 01/30)

JUSTAR..............01/17/13........01/22/13........02/14/13.......--/--/--....

BEN & HEIDY.........01/18/13........01/23/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

CAREBEAR............01/19/13........01/28/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

PWOLOCEN............01/19/13........01/22/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

TTOWNDUDE...........01/22/13........01/24/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

SLANGOFOIL..........01/22/13........01/24/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

MISSAERO............01/24/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

EDITGEE.............01/25/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

MONT BLANC .........01/28/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

NANA098.............01/29/13........--/--/13........--/--/13.......--/--/--....

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PWOLOCEN

Biometrics: 2/21/2013

Received my noa letter with the 01/23/2013 date on it

pwolocen

Date of I-751: 1/19/2013

Date of NOA: 1/22/2013

When you go to the Forms section of the USCIS for the I-751 instructions and form, it gives the price($505) and an additional $80 for the Biometrics, if applicable.

What makes it applicable? We have already done the Biometric exam for the 2 year Green Card, is another exam needed?

Thank you and good luck!!!!

My stepchild turned 18 years old during her 2 year Conditional Residence period. Will we be able to include her in our I-751 Petition? If I understand the instructions properly, it appears that as long as she was a dependent minor at the time of recieving her Green Card, we will be able to include her in our petition. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you.

People seem to be missing the point. Yes, it's standard procedure to get separate letters for the K2 child for everything - NOA's, biometrics, appointments, etc. It's also standard procedure for the applications to stay together. I've never seen a case before where the K1 was given a green card without an interview but the K2 was required to interview. This is very unusual.

From the relative times you've given, it sounds like their applications got separated after the RFE. What was the RFE for?

Hi Jim, Happy to hear from you again. Their applications were indeed separated, but from the very begining.The child's NOA1 came before my wifes.

The RFE was because I thought the 2 applications would be processed together. I did not send a separate I-864 for the child, a separate copy of the I-129f Approval Notice, or copies of documents that were included with my wife's I-485. Hence the RFE.

From the get go, when I checked the status on the USCIS website, the childs Initial Review showed up weeks before my wife's.

When I sent the original I-485 applications, I had my wifes in one folder and her daughters in another, then sent in one package to them. I am at work now, but I believe the Notice of Receipt for the daughter came before my wifes also, I will check when I get home.

I know it all sounds a little crazy, so your thoughts on this would mean a lot to me. You are one of the most knowledgeable people in the VJ family.

My son also received a seperate interview letter for the same day as his mother and he had to be sworn in just like her mother to answer questions, he was asked about going to a state university at the age of 17, how he liked the US, and asked what things he has done since he had been here, and like I said earlier answering question from I-485 maybe 5 examples are you a terrorist, deal in drugs. Now I noticed from your first post you said that you received a transfer notice on your wife's application, did the daughter receive the same transfer or stayed to a local office? It could be a reason she has to go to interview, but the best thing to do is go to the interview with her whether its being sworn in and answering 1 question or 5 it will be done and over with and after she gets her greencard take a nice break.

I hope you had a chance to read the K-2 AOS Forum, pretty much everyone in this forum has dealt with AOS for K-2's. You may want to ask the same question there. GOOD LUCK.

Thank you for your input. Yes, the reason my wife did not have an interview is because they transfered her application. Daughter's stayed at local office.

I am not concerned about the interview so much as wanted to lnow what to expect. You have given me what I wanted to know!

I went for my AOS interview yesterday with my now husband....and my two biological children - they got letters sent to them seperately requesting interview....funny how their scheduled interview time was before mine....which is why I called immigration....

I wanted a sleep in and tried to adjust the times to later in the day....but was told...if interview is on the same day and time is close to each other...then they wont change it and I had to take the kids out of school...and my husband had to take a vacation day and we all went to interview.

Kids were asked NOTHING...except to raise right hand together and take the oath.

YOU Should call the Immigration centre as they have stuffed up the interview date...daughter should have gone with mother and usc.

that being said...youll have to go with mother again now...propably going to be 4 mins of nothing like mine....

Her mother already has her Green Card, without an interview. That is why I think it strange to have an interview for her daughter.

Please tell me what you mean by"stuffed up the interview date". Is it like overbooking an airline flight?

Interesting. I thought the K2's status was derived from the K1's. If the K1 was approved, why wouldn't the K2 also be approved? Will keep an eye on this as I just filed for AOS for my wife and her three (K2) children. I couldn't imagine the kids being scheduled for their own interviews...

Your thinking is very much like my own. I think things got turned around when they processed the child's first.(The applications I-485 & I-765 , were sent in the same package for both my wife and her daughter.) The child is 16, so still a minor. There are 3 reasons that I thought might cause this situation. First is that the child's name is still VN.(My wife took my name.) Second, that they want proof that she is really her daughter.(They have all the documentation already, Birth Certificate,ect.) Third is that she lives with us.(I don't see how that matters.) The interview is scheduled for the 26th of this month, so all input will appreciated.

My now wife has a 16 year old daughter. We applied for AOS and EAD for both my wife and her daughter at the same time. Both of them have received their EADs, her daughter's came a few days before my wifes. They both had their Biometric appointments on the same day. We got an RFE for her daughter, which we satisfied with no problem. They processed the daughter's applications first according to the dates on the documents.

We then received a transfer notice for my wife's AOS application. After that we received an interview notice for her daughter. Since then my wife received her approval notice and Green Card. They both have received their Social Security numbers and cards.

Her daughter's interview is in 2 weeks. Do any VJ member know what questions they will ask her? I know her mother has to attend, am I required or allowed to attend also?

VJ members have been a great help in the visa process and I in turn have helped those that have asked about our experience.

I really don't see how anyone can get through this whole complicated process without the help of fellow VJ members.

Luckily, my wife got her visa today (Wooo Whooo!).

But she said there were other people who finally got their visa after coming back four times -that's once a week.

Man, what an ordeal!

Now, I've got to clean the house and get ready.

Congrats! A long, hard road for you. We are happy that you finally made it!!

Let me just edit one more info. Once you submited Packet 3 to the Consulate. According to Scott's reminder, you might need to call Department of State to see if they have scheduled an appointment for you @ 202-663-1225 when the message starts.. press 1, when the next message starts, press 0.. you may wait 5 to 15 minutes for a CSR..

Sorry, but I don't know about calling the DOS. My fiancee went to the consulate once a week to ask about appointment date! All she was ever told was to wait for notification in the mail. It finally arrived, but took a long time after Packet 3. You might want to ask Scott about calling.

Some information for VJ members: We got pink on Nov. 3rd, with instructions to pick up the visa on Nov.10th. She got the visas OK on the given date after a two and 1/2 hour wait. We were lucky because my fiancee told me that several people with pink were told to return every 10 days. They were told the visa was not ready and were not sure when it would be. Others were told to come back in 7 days. Just to let folks know what has been said before-Do not buy tickets until you have visa in hand!!!

congrats pwolocen .... could you tell me what is in packet 3 & 4 ? We have been waiting for interview date since Sept 03 ,2010

Thanks for the congrats. Packet 3 & 4 contain forms and instructions for what you must do. Read everything very carefully and you should not have a problem! Packet 4 does have your interview appointment letter in it. Check my signature above and you will see that we waited almost 3 months between P3 & P4.

You can find what exactly is in those packets on this site or the one from the consulate. It is good to look at them ahead of time to get an idea of what you must do.Also more time to prepare. I hope this helps you.

That would be awesome if you are able to. Don't worry about size. Mine was only a page and short and sweet and I got a pink.

Following is the timeline that got us pink!

(Petitioner)

(Beneficiary)

U.S.Consulate General

Immigration Visa Sectio4 Le Duan ST.,District 01,

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

Re: Timeline of relationship with my fiancee,(Beneficiary),(DOB: MM/DD/YYYY)

Case # XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I,(Petitioner), a citizen of the U.S. am the fiance of(Beneficiary). The following is a sworn affidacit documenting the timeline of our relationship.

during( MM/DD/YYYY) to present.

After trying several other dating websites(E-harmony, Match.com, Yahoo Personals, ect.) I joined VietnamCupid, a dating website on 7-Oct.-2009.

on 18-Oct.-2009, I received a message from(Beneficiary). I was amazed that this beautiful woman would have an interest in me. We started

communicating on Yahoo Messenger and webcam. We talked for hours getting to know each other's personality. I found we had a lot in common,

as marital status, interests, and goals. It was during this time we thought we may have a future together. As our relationship grew, she and I both realized

that we had found in each other what we had been seeking for a very long time. We both looked forward to meeting in person, to find out if this relationship

was really our dreams come true.

Upon finally meeting, the chemistry between us was felt immediately. It was as if we had been together for a long time. We were instantly freinds, the comfort

level was more than either of us expected. Our time together was intense, our love for each other, deep and profound. We laughed together, we cried together.

The pain of our being separated weighed heavily on our hearts. We will endure, as our love is strong. We will be friends and lovers for the rest of our lives as

husband and wife. We will make it so, no matter what obstacles are put in our path.

18-Oct-2009 Start communicating on VietnamCupid

18-Oct-2009 After about 10 minutes start comminicating on Yahoo Messenger and webcam

5-Nov-2009 Both of decide that this has become serious and remove our profiles fronm VietnanCupid

22-Nov-2009 Informal marriage proposal via internet(Yahoo Messenger-10:00 AM CST)

4-Feb-2010 Meet in person, confirm love for each other(Location)

5-Feb-2010 Formal proposal(time and location), fiance say yes!

6-Feb-2010 Purchase engagement ring(Location)

7-Feb-2010 First meeting with fiancee's entire family. Family approve and give us their blessing.

9-Feb-2010 Come to fiancee's house, pick up her daughter and go to city zoo.

10-Feb-2010 Formal proposal of marriage with family present and engagement ceremony.(Location)

14-Feb-2010 Celebrate Lunar New Year at fiancee's family home, entire family present

16-Feb-2010 Return to U.S., fiancee cry at airport

6-Mar-2010 Send I-129f to Vermont Service Center

8-Mar-2010 Vermont Service receive petition

10-Mar-2010 Receive I-797C (NOA-1)

20-May-2010 I-129f Approved

24-May-2010 I-129f Approval mailed

25-May-2010 I-797 Received (NOA-2)

26-May-2010 National Visa Center receive approval letter from USCIS

27-May-2010 National Visa Center send to consulate HCMC, Vietnam

01-Jun-2010 Consulate received

15-Jun-2010 Packet 3 received

17-Jun-2010 Packet 3 hand delivered to consulate

09-Sept-2010 Packet 4 received by mail to fiancee's home

02-Oct-2010 Arrive HCMC for second visit, prepare for interview

04-Oct-2010 Purchase matching wedding rings(Location)

06-Oct-2010 Interview

06-Oct-2010 Interview result, OF-194,Visa denial, RE: Submit additional documents

09-Oct-2010 Have Sunday dinner at fiancee's home (time)

12-Oct-2010 Return to U.S., due to employer requirements

03-Nov-2010 Submit additional documents 2 Trips to Vietnam Total 23 days

I have finally found the woman I have looked for all my life. She is everything to me. I love her with all my being and wish to spend the rest

of my life with her. Even though we are thousands of miles apart, we are together in heart and mind. It is uncanny that she often knows what I am going to say before I say it. Her ability to communicate in English is more than adequate. In her I have found the qualities I have missed in the past. She is kind, quiet, responsible, trustworthy, playful, sincere, passionate, and most of all loving.

I believe in marriage the most important things are trust, to love and be loved in return. I have definetly found this with (Beneficiary)

(Beneficiary) and I remain in contact while we are apart from each other. I am legally free to and willing to marry(Beneficiary) within 90 days of her arrival.

We intend to marry and look forward to starting our lives togethr as man and wife when she arrives in the U.S.

I,(Petitioner), a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at(Address) do hereby state that the following is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.

Name Signature

State of

County of

On this (Date) before me , a Notary Public for said county and state, personally appeared(Petitioner), known or identified, to be the person

whose whose name subscribed to the within instrument, and acknowledged to me that he executed the same.

IN WITNESS THEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my official seal the day and year in this certificate first above written.

Notary Signature

Name

Residing at

Commission Expires

Only 4 timelines are in the the thread. Really not worth pinning at this point.

My Timeline is almost the same as Scott's (format,not content). It was accepted when we had to submit additional documents. Those were1) Timeline, 2) My residence for 10 years and who lived with me, 3) Same info from fiancee, 4) Fiancee's relatives in US (address and proof of same)

I am at work and do not have it with me. I will try to post it tomorrow. Mine was much shorter than the examples I have seen so far, but it must have been OK because we got pink! I got the format a while ago off the internet, it was from a lawyer.(We did not use one) I think what you suggest is a good idea and will help many people in the future.

Hi You guys,

My fiance just came back from an interview they requested her for additional documents which i already prepared

1) Please submit a complete DS-156

2) The Petitioner must submint a complete Form-134, signs and records for his income.

And asked my fiance to turn in those documents anytime at Window B between 13:00 - 14:00 during working days.

Can someone tell me is this a good sign or bad one?????????? Thanks

We had almost the same situation. They requested documents from us that were different than yours. It sounds like you did not complete all the information on the forms! Remember that on DS-156 you must have 2 additional copies with photos. If you follow the instruction very carefully and turn in when they say, you may get pink! When my fiancee turned in what they asked for, she got pink, no questions.

Great news Peter... wait until the visa is in hand to get the ticket

Yes for sure. I am not going to make that mistake again. She is supposed to get it Nov.10th. We will wait and see.

We submitted the additional paperwork the CO requested and got PINK!! We would like to express our gratitude to all the VJ members who have helped us along the way. We would like to give special thanks to ScottThuy, JeromeBinh, Luckytxn, JimVaPhuong, lindal24, and Anh map. I don't see how anyone could make it through this most difficult process without VJ members. I will write a review as soon as I settle down. I will also help other VJ members if I can! Once again, Thank you all.

The fact that you have already been given a blue effectively means that you are already in AP. If you look at the past cases, I would say at least 60% when given the first blue will get a second blue. Lucky was one of very few that I can think of off the top of my head who submitted after the first blue and got a pink when he showed back up. Your case has many things that could put you into AP. The first thing being what they asked for alone. If they truly do want to know who was living with you they cannot find this out the same day you resubmit, meaning you might get another blue. The same for the other things like the timeline, if they really want to look at it and they are busy when you turn in the paperwork then you will get a blue. I know this sounds bad, but it is probably the truth, but this means if they REALLY want the information they requested. Something as simple as a police check they can look and see with only a glance, while a long timeline or a list of relatives might need to be proven. With what you have said in the past and knowing we are NOT CO's we can only really tell you what we have seen, because we do NOT know what they think or do, I probably have a bit more insight since I personally know one of the current CO's at HCMC but this does not mean I know anything, just what he tells me. Either way expect the worst, but hope for the best so you are not let down. You should be fine, just go in there and do what you can do.

Jerome and Binh

Once again, Jerome and Binh, thank you for your input. I have lived alone for over 15 years since my divorce. I cannot imagine what would make them think otherwise. How long a timeline would be too long? My fiancee only has 2 relatives in the states and they have promised to supply the information they requested. She has had no previous contact with them until the consulate basically forced her to do so. It seems to be a stupid thing to do on their part. I checked on getting a Lexis Nexis report on myself, but they said I would not get results for 30 to 60 days. I am curious as to what is on that report.

Getting put in AP can be for a number of reasons or for no obvious reason... our CO obviously didnt like the fact that we were both married (on paper only) when we met.. and that after the divorces were final we applied for our K1...

in the past I have heard of someone getting a similar blue sheet due to utility bills not reflecting a divorce... ie his name was on a utility bill for his ex at her residence... they thought it was an immigration only relationship. the guy found out what the issue was and it was resolved...

When they ask for the P's or B's previous residence history for 10 years.. it is usually because either they think something is up.. or that there could be gaps in data or conflicting data in the reports.. or it could just be to screw with you...

dont expect AP, just keep in mind that it is possible and is just a waiting game. a long wait in some cases.

Just so we know a bit more.. how many visits have you made? How long together with her before filing... and did you have a dam hoi?

We met through a dating site(VietnamCupid) in Oct.2009. I made my first trip(Feb.2010) to meet her and confirm that what we felt through our many web conversations were for real. We had our engagement ceremony on that visit. I went on my second trip to be with her for the interview. I am afraid you know the rest of the story! During this visit we purchased our wedding rings and I visited her entire family again. She is going to the Pagoda this week to pray(7hrs each way) Jerome mentioned that too long a Timeline could result in a second blue. How long is too long? What happens if we get a second blue?

Looking at past interview results as an indicator of what may happen.. there were two VJ member interviews in August with similar results to the OP which in one case was approved when resubmitted and the other was put in AP...

As has been said before.. dont dwell on the past.. look ahead and keep an open mind to all things that could happen.. this is a process and it is not personal to the CO...

We plan to submit all they ask for on the date given. Do you see anything there that would put us in AP?

The CO's prepare ahead of time. If not, they cannot keep to their schedule. While no one will know for sure, it's likely that that CO had concerns and was using the interview to push them to blue or pink.

My wife saw pink and got blue. We had to submit some more proof of communication (we killed some trees and printed off all chats and emails covering 2+ years), proof of my ex wife's address (she was not born in the US, actually European), and proof of my wife's ex's current address. We turned it in and got pink.

Now that was before the timeline became an unofficial requirement. Was it due to our age difference (22 years) or the fact that we both were married before? All we could do is respond to the blue slip as best we could. In our case my ex wouldn't cooperate so I could only submit my affidaivt stating what I knew to be true.

Blaming the translator is easy. But as stated before, the CO controls the interview. Trying to get the beneficiary "off their game" is one of the tools they use to evaluate the person being interviewed.

One thing that another VJ member who was formerly with CBP said about the process is this:

A good way to try to check your emotions is to understand that the nature of personal questions is not a reflection on you, it's a reflection of finding the truth to make an informed decision. They are doing their job which is to determine the eligibility of an individual to receive a benefit.

It's business not personal. That's tough to soak in because getting an immigration visa to be with your family is a very personal issue, but they don't see it that way and neither should you. If you understand their perspective and keep that in mind, you can tailor your responses to meet that perspective. Do that and you're most of the way there.

Sounds like you folks are working through the process. Submit what was requested and it seems likely you will get pink. Remember that the visa is the goal. Don't get side tracked by anything else.

Due to what they requested on the blue slip and did not request a second interview, I too feel that we will get pink when we submit all that they asked for. I still cannot understand why they changed from pink to blue. I guess we will never know! Thank you for your support.

You probably won't believe, or refuse to to believe, me right now. I'll let time and yourself be the test to my doubt. I've known so many Vnese that fall into this type of scenario. It's almost like a textbook 101, step-by-step guide on how to get her feet in America, and later on the rest of her family members.

Middle age lady, over 40, marries a guy, at least over 60. She's in the game for her children, not herself. A couple years have passed and she now gets her 10-year GC, able to sponsor her children to come to the States. Now she's totally 100% in control of the game. If the hubby fails to satisfy any of her demand, no matter how ridiculous they might be, she's not afraid to break the relationship.

But of course, you won't believe your Angel capable of doing this.

Come back here once she's got her perm 10-year GC and prove me wrong.

I understand your position on this. I don't think this is true for me. The choice to live in US was mine not hers. She prefers to live in VN! She has 1 daughter that is coming to the US with us. She has no contact with relatives in the US until forced by the consulate! I will prove you wrong for sure. Why are you so negative about your own people?: