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Im sure I know more then you do. Stick to the topic.

When I visited my fiance we always stayed at the IBIS Hotel next to the train station. Never had a problem. We stayed at the IBIS in several different cities and all was well.

maximum 6 months statutory prison sentance,if caught,possible deportation of non Moroccan(Moroccan Law)

CRIMINAL PENALTIES: While you are traveling in Morocco you are subject to its laws even if you are a U.S. citizen. Foreign laws and legal systems can be vastly different from our own. In some places you may be taken in for questioning if you don’t have your passport with you. There are also some things that might be legal in the country you visit, but still illegal in the United States, and you can be prosecuted under U.S. law if you buy pirated goods. Engaging in sexual conduct with children or using or disseminating child pornography in a foreign country is a crime prosecutable in the United States. If you break local laws in Morocco your U.S. passport won’t help you avoid arrest or prosecution. It’s very important to know what’s legal and what’s not wherever you go.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_975.html#criminal_penalties

In your reply to my post you spoke of only promiscuity, chaste women, virgins. I find it a little off-putting that I was speaking to the fact that a woman's role in a marriage is much more then cleaning, and child rearing... and the first thing that you speak of next is sex related. I think this shows your value of women. Do you value women only on their sexual status, cleaning ability, and child rearing skills?

Every great leader in this world has had a good woman standing beside them. Notice I said beside them, and not behind them. Every great Male leader, and smart male in this world will tell you that their greatest supporter, ally, confidant, strength is their wife.

As for the promiscuity of any women, it is no ones place to discuss but their own. No ones place to pass judgement. Christians have a saying about this. "Let he who has no sin, be the first to cast a stone" This saying actually comes from the Bible. From a prophet I believe you are familiar with ...Jesus. John 7:53 - John 8:11. Its actually speaking about an "adulterous" woman.

I know you don't follow the bible, but I am quoting it anyway... because in your replies to me you quoted the Qur'an which i do not follow either. However you do believe Jesus to be a prophet, and I believe these are his words.

As for not listening to music or dancing... My husband has told me a story that was passed down to him about a festival that came to town in the prophets time. His wives asked him to go there, and so they all went together to here the music, and dance. He said that people gathered on the street to hear the music men and women. If this is true, then why is music now forbidden? I understand that in Muslim marriages, and weddings, that men and women are generally separated. This is the religion, and culture of Muslims in MENA, and no one can say its wrong, because this is their lives, and choices.

However if you are moving to a country with a different culture then your own , then you should be prepared to live in the culture you are moving to. You will be hard pressed to find a job, entertainment, restaurant, family activities, weddings, theater, where there is no music, or co-mingling. You might as well be a hermit. This is how it is.

-Danni

Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haraam speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafseer al-Sa’di, 6/150)

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141

PROVIDE PROOF THE PROPHET SENT HIS WIVES TO LISTEN TO MUSIC

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust [i.e., may you prosper].”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4802; Muslim, 1466).

Al-Nawawi said:

The correct meaning of this hadeeth is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was describing what people usually do, for they seek these four characteristics, the last of which in their view is religious commitment, but you, the one who is seeking guidance, should look for a wife who is religious. But this is not an absolute command.

This hadeeth encourages keeping company with people who are religiously committed in all things, because the one who keeps company with them will benefit from their good attitude and morals, their blessing and their good ways, and he will be safe from mischief at their hands.

Sharh Muslim, 10/52

But marriage to women of the People of the Book leads to a great deal of mischief and trouble, such as:

1. He may have to be courteous to this wife of his at the expense of his religion, especially if she is “very committed” to her own religion. This may mean that she will hang up crosses and go to the church, and the children will not be safe in this environment.

Who is this freak?????????????

Perhaps you should be working to marry off Moroccan women to Saudi men, instead of helping Moroccan men immigrate to America in the beds of American women. If your greatest concern is "keeping pure tribal lines" and defending the faith, then helping Muslim men and women to immigrate to a largely Christian country with a culture that is (sadly) hostile towards Islam is probably not the way to go about it.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust [i.e., may you prosper].”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4802; Muslim, 1466).

Al-Nawawi said:

The correct meaning of this hadeeth is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was describing what people usually do, for they seek these four characteristics, the last of which in their view is religious commitment, but you, the one who is seeking guidance, should look for a wife who is religious

This hadeeth encourages keeping company with people who are religiously committed in all things, because the one who keeps company with them will benefit from their good attitude and morals, their blessing and their good ways, and he will be safe from mischief at their hands

exactly!!! I'm not arguing from the religious perspective but they said that these things are part of a christian wedding tradition. They are no more part of the christian tradition than they are the islamic one...however both cultures tend to have the same kind of wedding celebration afterwards. No hadeeth necessary because there is a difference between religious permissibility and what actually happens. It must suck to see the world through such limited point of view.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (6/115):

We must highlight this point, that going along with customs so long as they are not haraam is the Sunnah, because going against customs is a kind of vanity, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the dress of fame and vanity, so that which goes against customs is also forbidden. End quote.

Hence we advise you to hold a wedding celebration and we ask Allaah to bless it. You should do it in accordance with the custom and tradition of people in your country, and you should not try to cast off all of their customs. All that you have to do is reject and avoid those customs that are haraam, such as using music – apart from the daff – and mixing between men and women

Scary actually. People who interpret ancient religious texts literally and attempt to apply them to the modern age are at the core of each of the religious radical movements.

Islam is a divinely-revealed religion, and it is revelation (wahy) from Allaah, may He be exalted. The Qur'aan and Sunnah both come from Allaah. Allaah has made this religion the final religion, and has made its Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the final Prophet and Messenger.

Every attempt on the part of the kuffaar and atheists to destroy Islam or distort it has ended in failure and loss, because Allaah has guaranteed to protect the foundations of this religion, namely the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9]

Have you never seen an arabic wedding?---dancing, mixing, and music!!!! Seriously, I've read all of these hadeeth and ayat before but I just can't figure out why you'd post them on a site like this. I wanted to add that my husband and I were introduced by friends but never were alone together until we were married. We did what we thought was correct as we were both muslim BUT I also don't care what anyone else does. That's not my business to think about or to judge as none of us will be called to account for another's actions.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:

If wedding parties are free of evils such as men mixing with women and indecent songs, or if you attend then these evils will be changed, then it is permissible to attend, so as to share in the occasion of joy. Rather it is obligatory to attend if there is some evil that you can remove.

But if there are evil things in these parties that you cannot denounce, then it is haraam to attend them because of the general meaning of the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And leave alone those who take their religion as play and amusement, and whom the life of this world has deceived. But remind (them) with it (the Qur’aan) lest a person be given up to destruction for that which he has earned, when he will find for himself no protector or intercessor besides Allaah” [al-An’aam 6:70]

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah without knowledge, and takes it (the path of Allaah, or the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire)”

[Luqmaan 31:6]

And because of the many ahaadeeth which condemn singing and musical instruments.

From Fataawa al-Mar’ah, compiled by Muhammad al-Musnad, p. 92

Could you clarify. Are you saying the only reason a Muslim male would marry outside of his faith is beauty, and attraction ? Muslim men are shallow? Also please clarify... Religious Muslim women are the only women who can clean a house, and take care of children ? This is a nice sentiment towards the religion of Islam, and I am sure its just to promote interfaith marriage. However it is permissible for Muslim men to marry out of their faith. Certainly any male immigrating to America, not only Muslims males will have a much less narrow view of marriage. I say this because, their female petitioner will have to be some kind of career women in order to afford the cost of immigrating a spouse, and for sponsoring their spouse. So the marriage will have to be based on something more then a female to keep look after their home in their absence. As the female will most likely be the bread winner in the household till the time the beneficiary male is able to work.

By the way this post is meant no offense to the Islamic Prophet, in my view he was a great person. He brought many great wisdom's to the people of this world. One of those things was to cherish women...be they wives, daughters, sisters or mothers. Isn't it true that Khadīja, his first wife was more then just a women to clean his house in his absence. She was also his business partner, his companion, his supporter when no one else was. I read that the prophet went to his wives for advice even on the smallest of matters. So i am sure the Prophet of Islam sees more to a women's role in a marriage then cleaning, and child rearing. Which any women could do, not only a Muslim women. My husband often time tells me about how the prophet of Islam helped his wives to clean, and in their chores....so in an Islamic prospective, i think there is nothing wrong with a women who is not the sole care taker of the home. Also any male coming to America must understand, that in this economy chances are high both people in the marriage will need to work. This leaves the children to either be in daycare, or go to a relative. The families i know generally cannot afford for one person to stay home, and not work.

So any male, Muslim or not... must be aware of this, as his future spouse may not be able to " bring up their kids" without some assistance,in the form of daycare. Muslim women in America and around the world work, and use daycare. Especially if she is petitioning a male immigrant spouse, as it is very hard for immigrants of any country to find a "Good" job here in America right away. Marriage in my perspective should be based off way more then whether a women can clean, and stay home with children. Marriage is a partnership, with many dynamics...What you described is a housekeeper/Nanny. It does not take a Religious Muslim women to be either of these things. If I were a Muslim women, I would be offended at the very simplistic view of what you have made their marriages out to be. Even if a women is a stay at home mom, and she is able to take care of the home, and raise the children without assistance...I would hope the marriage is based off more then her ability to do these things.

I apologize for the rant,but your post was insulting to me as a non Muslim women, married to a Muslim male. I am also insulted on behalf of my Husband, because as a Muslim Male he would never be so shallow as to base marriage off these two simple things you have mentioned.

To the original OP, I hope that you are able to work out appropriate accommodations for yourself, and your fiance. Sorry for the hijacking!

-Danni

Shaykh al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (commentary on the Qur’aan), 1/458:

“‘… (lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women – i.e., free and chaste - from the believers and chaste women –free and chaste - from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time…’ i.e., from among the Jews and Christians. This is adding specific details to the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And do not marry al-mushrikaat (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allaah alone)…’ [al-Baqarah 2:221].”

As for promiscuous women, those who do not keep themselves chaste and free from immoral sexual conduct, it is not permitted to marry them, whether they are Muslims or from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), unless they repent, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Let no man guilty of fornication or adultery marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.” [al-Noor 24:3]

But if a woman is not chaste, and she has boyfriends or lovers with whom she is intimate, then Islam forbids marriage to her, whether she is a Muslim or a woman from among the People of the Book, just as it forbids marriage to a man who has girlfriends or lovers, to protect married life from collapse and to protect against mixing of lineages and to avoid causes of dispute, accusation and suspicion.

With regard to the Muslim husband attending marriage parties according to the Christian tradition, this is not permissible because there will be many things in these celebrations that are forbidden in Islam, such as free mixing between men and women, listening to music, drinking alcohol, dancing etc

I like you, too, Sarah. I always have. You're gutsy, witty, direct, honest, no nonsense, smart as all get out and I'm sure you're a great mom, too. A lot of us know your story, and I think I'm correct in saying that many of us have admired your determination, resourcefulness and near indestructibly in the way you don't let obstacles overcome you.

But, you know I'm as direct and no nonsense as you are, and I'm very disappointed at the way you're reacted to this thread. Despite what you may see on the surface or how governments act, honor is still a strong part of Arab cultures, and that's not soon to change. Inter-cultural/inter-faith unions are hard enough without losing yourself. Non-Muslim western women don't need to become Arab to be with an Arab man, in fact, I've spoken out here frequently against a lack of integrity in your relationship because it can lead to a loss of self-esteem and identity, which can lead to marital difficulties. Hell, if he wanted an Arab woman, he should have married one, and vice versa.

I'm Muslim and Arab, yet I don't wear hijab or walk two steps behind my man or any of that when I'm in a Muslim country. But, there's a difference between resisting becoming something you're not and showing disrespect to the people you're with. Frankly, I have to wonder what is going on with your man and his family that they would go so far to not demand more respect and reign you in themselves.

I don't come here year after year with what must seem to many of the liberated types like archaic and incredibly old-fashioned advice for no reason. The failure rate of marriages over matters of respect and self-esteem in this forum is high, us old-timers know it, and I figure it's a good idea to let folks in on the very basics of how you should expect to be treated if you are valued by his family.

Universally, what a man looks for in a girlfriend and what he wants in a wife are two different things. In Arab cultures, this distinction is generally magnified. There are certainly men and families who will fall outside of this norm, but there are too many who won't. Believe me, the ones who won't are the ones you want because they will respect your differences if you, in turn, respect theirs.

I've never been non-Arab, but I hear that a book titled "Believing As Ourselves" is a good resource for those who are and who become involved with an Arab man. I don't think it's been mentioned here for a while, so those of you who do read it, I'd love to know what you think.

Anyway, Sarah, you're young yet, some of this may grow on you in time. No matter what, I continue to wish you well as I have since you burst upon the MENA scene. You never cease to amaze me and I hope you never will.

Salaam

However,it is advised NOT to marry a non-Muslim woman, nor is it NOT advised you to marry just any Muslim woman. For married life is not based only on beauty and attraction,or culture and race, rather the wise Muslim must look with insight at what is beyond that, because he needs to be sure that his house will be looked after in his absence, and he needs to bring up his children, and he will not be able to find that or other things which every wise husband seeks, except with a religious Muslim woman. This is the advice of our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust [i.e., may you prosper].”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4802; Muslim, 1466).

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Well speaking about BRIBES.... My first visit to Casablanca meeting my fiance at the time, I just dropped him off near his street where he lived and the cops came to my car as he was getting out and they asked for us to pull the car over. These officers took almost two hours of our time and asked for all my information. I was just stunned as to what they wanted for money. I mean come on he was just getting out of my car and they said it was forbidden for him to even be in a car without a permit of some kind to be in the car with an American. He argued of course, and they told him to have me stand outside of there little police station and then they proceeded to talk with him. My fiance came out and said they want some money and I am refusing to give them any and they said if I don't they will take me to jail. I said WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF are you kidding me you are not going to jail for this. I was so hurt as this was my first day in Casablanca. I told him I know you are not suppose to do this bribery thing but let me give them the money and lets just be on our way please. We went back and forth on this for a bit and I gave the money and they let us go. Gosh, I was so mad and disgusted and this went own for my whole three weeks of stay in Morocco as if they had a spy looking for us every day in the car. After about the third time of us being pulled over or just walking on the beach, I got pissed and said I am calling the US Embassy and reporting you. They let us go LOL.

After all my other visits, I stood up to the police and threatened them back as I was given a card from someone on the airplane that worked at the Consulate in Rabat and he told me if I ever had any problems again, just call this number as US Citizen and stay where you are and we will have someone there to help you IMMEDIATELY. I felt so good hearing that and knowing that those dang police could not bribe me anymore.

So all my other visits were beautiful and I feel now as if I can go to Morocco and feel free to walk with my husband now and not be harassed.

p.s. i kept the card of the man LOL never gonna throw that away even though we are married now and that little certificate the mosque gave us to take to Morocco just in case we are harassed which proves our marriage.

Well basically you have a bunch of filthy police officers who will try to take advantage of moroccan laws,to make a financial gain(a small one at that)

You should of not given them anything,they could of given you a warning because you didnt know,Even Many western muslims who visit morocco are forced to pay this madness(bribery)A lot of Moroccans stereotype ANYONE from the west or gulf countries,Many moroccans think we have gold roads,gold door knobs,and etc. This is far from the truth.

Using the HARAM argument generally doesn't work with non Muslims.

Well when a NON-MUSLIM comes to a MUSLIM country he or she must act accordingly to the LAWS of the ISLAMIC country and simply not think they can change them by bribes or any other ways of not complying with the law and the same is for the MUSLIM coming to NON-MUSLIM country.

You've made my point, Sarah. Western women who engage in sex out of wedlock with Moroccan men are generally seen as good for a visa, but they're not respectable. There's plenty of tradition in that point of view. A lack of respect has broken up a lot of VJ marriages. You may not be interested in that information, but insha'allah, there are some here who will be.

Happy New Year, all!

Sofiyya is absolutely right, Firtly to make clear the law is based on islamic laws...SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE AND ANYTHING THAT LEADS TO IT IS HARAAM(prohibited) A bribe might work sometimes and it might NOT work,it depends on the peticular officer... Bribery is haram(generally) in islam unless the person who is paying the bribe, needs to obtain his rights but it is ALWAYS HARAM on the one who asks for the bribe money(Shaikh Uthaymeen Al Kaba'irr)

so with that understood receiving a bribe and paying for a bribe for something that is haram is haraam all together no exceptions

@ sofiyya: How many VJ breakups from Morocco have occured? Because Americans need to be warned about this

I lived in a very poor area of Casablanca called Sbata. Here in America, I live in a very poor, drug infested city with the 3rd highest murder rate in the US. The things I've seen on the streets here in America make Morocco look like a PARADISE. The grass isn't always greener. As for my husband using me, I doubt that, but your own stereotype demonstrates why it's so "expensive and difficult" for people to immigrate legally.

Excuse me if I offended you or anyone here so sorry Well in regards to sbata I know it well and have been there and surrounding areas of it, that place is horrible, as regards to the poor parts of Morocco which is overwhelming then the nice places, the so called nie places in morocco dont compare to our nice places or nice neighborhoods in America. They built some malls there from whom? because most moroccans cant afford to shop in places like that. Morocco's success and superiority lies in the country's good hospitality and for me it's mosques and the islam unlike the west, in Morocco there isnt much murder and rape and filth,even though it's changing for the worst and some good change

Wow, did you just say that?!?!? Maybe you should know people before you make such assumptions, because you are soooo wrong. And that was very rude and uncalled for...

That goes both ways...

My views are reality,and I don't believe you lived in morocco because if you did ,you wouldn't of made such a stupid comparison between poverty and joblessness of America to the poverty and joblessness of morocco. It's like night and day.... Daaaaaaw!!!!!!

It's moroccans who find clueless Americans like you and then dump them.

I did, she made it very obvious that she was an American.

Now admittedly originally the idea was that she was going to move to the UK, things changed. As they often do. I note a distressing lack of flexibility in many of these posts. Somebody has to move eventually, often it seems only the non American.

If you are talking about this Consulate then most seem to connect through Social Media, and the ones I use show your location.

Yes and a lot of moroccans have ruined it for honest folks trying to get married in morocco and also have ruined it for people who will have meet with the consulate for a visa. The consulate's warning is 100% correct,honestly has marriage became as simple as an online purchase? Online marriage is garbage!!!!!!! It is better and safer for a person to go and see what's really going on then flirting for a billion years(which is generally haram(prohibited)for a muslim)then making decisions online and not actually knowing the person's history Morocco is full of bribery for ANYTHING,just trusting a court and police report isnt suffice. These two items dont give information on character,and how the family is. Mail order bride/groom ####### is #######!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when has been obtaining a visa every been guaranteed?

In case you missed it, the Consulate has a specific warning: http://morocco.usembassy.gov/visas/immigrant-visas/fiance-visas.html

How many people know that from the beginning,before they actually start a relationship? Go get me a link for that

Then stay away from long distance relationships.

It's not a problem for me,but for some others it's misery. Let the govt warn the people about the pros and cons of securing a visa especially when it isnt a definite process meaning once on visas and then the ones who hire lawyers, for something that is indefinite. Boiler you should stay away from EVERYONE with your mentality.

So what is your problem.

There are no profits from the fees, they are set to recover costs.

then there should be* thorough checking...I'm saying there shouldnt be such an expensive price tag slapped on the pursuit of love and happiness. That's my problem

Well chilling in Morocco is very hard unless you a have higher education(master's degree,or bachelors degree) there is very little employment there for an american nor moroccan,then what is the pay? If you come from a well off family then that's good whih is rare(who can facilitate and assist a person's stay then this is good) Poverty is wide spread in Morocco. For husbands and wives I believe the costs should be free like it is for married couples inside the USA(lol). I think a new awareness should be made known to people pursuing this path. Islamically I'd prefer to be in Morocco,but everyone going down this path isnt a muslim.

Made free meaning that pursuing a marriage relationship inside the usa between two americans doesnt require nonsense like the affidavit of support or immigration visa fees, alot of these papers were free at one time,so why should the govt profit of what comes natural or what takes place daily,just because it is outisde usa soil? The privilege and right argument I've heard often similar to a driver's license.As for fraudulent marriages then there should thorough checking and du diligence on the part of the govt in finding it and stopping it.

Countless threads on VJ have been dedicated to this subject. It's not a new problem. Do some back reading. As for the government making it cheaper and easier, don't count on it. It's as expensive as it needs to be to support USCIS and the DOS, and it's as difficult as it needs to be to weed out fraud. Does it suck? Yeah, it sucks, but immigration is a privilege, not a right.

If my husband had been denied, I'd be chillin in Morocco right now. I wish I was chillin in Morocco right now. The climate sucks here, politically, financially, and weather wise. le sigh.

Well chilling in Morocco is very hard unless you a have higher education(master's degree,or bachelors degree) there is very little employment there for an american nor moroccan,then what is the pay? If you come from a well off family then that's good whih is rare(who can facilitate and assist a person's stay then this is good) Poverty is wide spread in Morocco. For husbands and wives I believe the costs should be free like it is for married couples inside the USA(lol). I think a new awareness should be made known to people pursuing this path. Islamically I'd prefer to be in Morocco,but everyone going down this path isnt a muslim.

I honestly wish I knew of this site BEFORE filing for the K1...We were innocently going on God's choice of us to meet, our love and honesty in applying and received a big reality check from the "Lady" at the Casablanca Consulate. ( Assuming there is the only one ) I only know, in my case, that, if the Spousal Visa is denied... it has become a lucrative business collecting fees Through Casablanca...

Ihsaan brings up a pint of the families affected in Morocco...I have to add it affects my family here too...big time.

BTW..if the Fiance cant come here and all other options have been exhausted...with Love there should be no other boundaries.

Well A next topic should be made from whoever has the best knowledge of what to do when a denial comes about what choices and routes to take, a legal way ,like the after fiance visa,then try to take the spousal way or appeal it by the I-601 or any other route people know and are sure of.

The govt should put a sign in the airport as you board the airplane,and also the govt should warn people who have no idea about immigration matters that if they decide to bring a love one to America be prepared for the following: A long wait and separation between couples,huge fees constantly,possible denial,no guaranteees,intense worrying,depression,rudeness,and no refunding on monies(generally)

As for BOTH people engaging in an international relationship they need to be fully aware of all these things involved and to be fully committed 100%

THE GOVT NEEDS TO MAKE IT EASIER AND AFFORDABLE

Well the fiance visa I dont consider appropriate for morocco because it can lead to pre-marital affairs which are prohibited in islam,Most muslims when they use the fiance visa, get married privately-islamically(meaning they fulfill all islamic requirements(which is: the man and woman-the woman's guardian and two witnesses) even though all marriages must be conducted in the courts to be valid on moroccan soil(there is some disagreement in islam about does the marriage contract in islam have to be officially registered) I feel the the same way you do,moroccans have treated me good(yes better then my own family) in the usa and good in Morocco.

I pray for you and your husband's success and that you both succeed....ameeeen

There is Engagement(khitt'bah) in islam,but it has strict enforcement no seclusion,no private correspondence,and visitation is allowed while the women's guardian is present,some couples stay engaged for years untll the husband can provide properly for his future bride.

As you know there really is no such thing as "ENGAGEMENT" in Islam... With that being said you would think the K-1 would be the hardest to get going through any Muslim country.... Our intention was to go for the CR-1 in the first place but were urged by others to go for the K-1 I really think I should have stuck to my gut instinct and followed my original plan.....

My husbands father is much darker than I am as is a few other of his family members... I don't see why it would be a factor at all, I saw many people in Morocco who look like me and many thought I was from there until I opened my mouth..... They should not sterotype or put everyone all in one box....

The y asked him about my father and he told the truth... He told they what I told him maybe there little background check didn't show that my father was an artist, but that would be because he didn't make a living at it.... My father was murdered when I was a little girl and all I remember of him is that he was a very good artist as is all his brothers and he liked to play tennis..... How do they expect people to know the answer to questions even the petitioner doesn't know.....

I am not very close to my family at all..... alot americans are not I know very little about them and quite frankly don't care to more than what I know of them.... My husband and his family make me feel more loved and cared for than my own.... One way or another we will be together... Whether it be here in the states or in Morocco......

Well the fiance visa I dont consider appropriate for morocco because it can lead to pre-marital affairs which are prohibited in islam,Most muslims when they use the fiance visa, get married privately-islamically(meaning they fulfill all islamic requirements(which is: the man and woman-the woman's guardian and two witnesses) even though all marriages must be conducted in the courts to be valid on moroccan soil(there is some disagreement in islam about does the marriage contract in islam have to be officially registered) I feel the the same way you do,moroccans have treated me good(yes better then my own family) in the usa and good in Morocco.

I pray for you and your husband's success and that you both succeed....ameeeen

The K-1 process was very fast for my brother in-law and sister in-law Who both married White nonmuslims who were once married to each other..... They had no problems at all.... They communicated less then my husband and I prior to their filing and their vist was shorter than mine.... My husband was asked questions like why he wanted to marry a black woman.... And I feel he was asked certian questions to intentially confuse him.... Like being asked waht my father did for a living after he told them my father died more than 20 years ago....

Exactly inside the consulate they have these moroccan employee/translator who will ask questions that are simply outlandish and down right none of their business.

I guess feel they must ask questions that will compel moroccans to tell the truth, usually(not always) in morocco lighter people don't marry darker people.

A friend of mine's wife was questioned extensively about his criminal past and then she was denied ,and also was told her fiance(at that time)was a bad man.