Richard_y_Abi

I know that everyone's heart is in the right place, but did anyone really read my two posts. If two people are not married at the time of the child's birth, and the child is not born in the USA, a blood test must be done. My wife and I brought in evidence of my citizenship, we had a declaration from the doctor with our child's picture, and we had his birth certificate. This simply is not enough evidence due to the amount of fraud that exists. These parents MUST submit to a DNA test, or the child will never be given its' citizenship in the United States. I cannot remember where this is written, but because I have a hard time believing the truth as I think it should be, I investigated this problem within the pages of USCIS, and DHS web sites. This is the law. I do not know if there are exceptions or not. I don't remember reading any. I would beging speaking to my congressional representative. By what I have read here in this VJ website, they have considerable pull when they start to make waves. Just make some waves.

Another thing, do not call 911. This is for emergencies only. It is not just a convenient venue for our use when it suits our needs.

One other thing, if you leave town, then your fiance can say that you abandoned her. Do not leave, but never be alon with her if she comes back. Perhaps start custody proceedings right away for your son through the courts. Him not having proof of citizenship may not matter. Just tell the truth.

Please read the whole thread he said the child was a USC

This person did not give a time line for the baby's birth. He did say that they had just arrived. The conclusion therefore is that the baby was not born here in the United States. Perhaps some clarification is in order. Where was the baby born?

I know that everyone's heart is in the right place, but did anyone really read my two posts. If two people are not married at the time of the child's birth, and the child is not born in the USA, a blood test must be done. My wife and I brought in evidence of my citizenship, we had a declaration from the doctor with our child's picture, and we had his birth certificate. This simply is not enough evidence due to the amount of fraud that exists. These parents MUST submit to a DNA test, or the child will never be given its' citizenship in the United States. I cannot remember where this is written, but because I have a hard time believing the truth as I think it should be, I investigated this problem within the pages of USCIS, and DHS web sites. This is the law. I do not know if there are exceptions or not. I don't remember reading any. I would beging speaking to my congressional representative. By what I have read here in this VJ website, they have considerable pull when they start to make waves. Just make some waves.

Another thing, do not call 911. This is for emergencies only. It is not just a convenient venue for our use when it suits our needs.

One other thing, if you leave town, then your fiance can say that you abandoned her. Do not leave, but never be alon with her if she comes back. Perhaps start custody proceedings right away for your son through the courts. Him not having proof of citizenship may not matter. Just tell the truth.

Once again, I do not know if a lawyer will be able to help with your son. Many people have tried to put names of Americans on the birth certificate of a foreign born child in an attempt to falsify citizenship. Unless you and your fiance registered the baby with the consulate, as an American citizen, it will be very difficult to prove that you and your fiance are the blood parents.

Since my wife and I were not married, we have to submit a blood test to prove paternity. I have to go to a laboratory here in the United States, and when the consulate gets the results, the mother and the child have to have someone accompany them to a clinic in the vicinity of their consulate, observe the Phlebotimist extract blood from both of them. Then after, if everyone's DNA is the "same", the child is given a Consulate Report of Birth Abroad certificate. If this is not done, the child is not considered an American citizen.

I hope everything works out for you. Take everyone's advice, if it fits, and above all, never be alone with her, or her uncle.

It always amazes me how some people can be so treacherous. It is like the Judas Kiss. My wife told me that many people in her hometown in Mexico, told her just to marry me, and then, when given the chance, divorce me after she gets her permanent residency card. I am sure that she loves me, and will not leave me. As bad as it sounds, I did want to date her for more than two years, before applying for the K-1 VISA. We ended up dating for almost 4 years, and have known each other for almost 8 years. Long before receiving our Visa, we considered ourselves husband and wife, and lived that way. The way I saw it, if she is willing to live with me here in the states, then I should be willing to live with her in Mexico. That is exactly what we did. Our relationship is sound.

Maybe the same thing is happening with you.

Legally speaking, your fiance is not even considered an immigrant. She has less rights than someone with a tourist visa. If she will not leave at the end of 90 days, I doubt that she will even be considered Out Of Status. This visa is very specific. When we applied for the visa, many people admonished us to abide by the visa stipulations, or we would jeopardize all that we were doing. Not to mention that the I-94 that she has will likely expire very soon.

About your baby. Since my wife and I had our baby in Mexico, before we were married, to obtain a statement that our son is also an American, we have to provide DNA evidence. Unless your fiance provides the blood sample needed, I am not sure then how you will be able to legally keep him/her here in the United States.

I know that your heart is crushed, and we will be thinking of you in the future.

I received the NOA1 dated April 1,2009,as of today,when I visit the USCIS page to check the status,it still shows the case as received and pending.Should I be concerned about this,as i have seen people on here that have sent in their K1 app. after me,and have allready received NOA2?Or am I just kinda jumping the gun here,we have been together for over 3 years now,I have visited her 3 times since we met,and we are really wanting to be together,but,the wait is unbearable.Could someone maybe ease my mind and tell me its ok,or should I be worried at this point because of the time its taking.I filed at the Vermont center if that helps with an answer.

Thanks,David

My wife and children are here, have been for more than 3 months, but my status check page still reads that they have just received our application for the I-129f and will be contacting us as soon as another action is taken. HA

I am assuming your wife and kids are already in the US - is that so?

If that is the case: which visas did they use to enter?

They came over on a K-1 VISA. Okay, from what I understand, crossing into and returning from Mexico will not be an issue?

Okay, I have been reading VJ for many hours. My stress level has gone from a 10 to a one, although it still jumps once in awhile. We will be heading into the waters of petitioning for my wife and children to receive their green card. My question is: Will the residency card that we will be receiving have a notation that it is temporary? If so, since we were advised by so many people, is it wise to leave the country before the end of the first two years?

One more question: We will be paying quite a bit of money, and their will be 3 petitions, do we just pay with one check, or one for each card?

Thanks

I have the same problem, but worse. I have not filed since I left for Mexico 8 years ago. What, oh what will we do?

After reading my post, I want to clarify a few things.

Since my son has two citizenships, but we did not register him with the Consulate in Hermosillo, and since we were able to get him a Mexican Passport, and bring him here as a derivative on a K-1/K-2 Visa application, what must we do now to register his birth abroad? Can we do it here in the United States? I do believe that it is illegal to register him for a GC, since he has US citizenship, although he is not registered yet.

The other question that I had asked about paying for the AOS refers to the fees. We have to send in a Biometric fee, and fees for Abi and our boys. Since each person in my family has to have their own AOS application submitted, do we pay for each application, having separate payments for each? And, do we send in a separate payment for the biometric fee?

Referring to the Vaccinations, can we go to our local department of health to obtain these vaccinations, and then bring proof to the designated physician? Do the kids need more shots? We enrolled them in school, and were told what shots that they needed to enroll into school. Do these (school) requirements match the requirements of the AOS application?

Thanks for everything. And, someone suggested that I write a review for others, describing our journey and all its' details. I will be doing that real soon. Thanks for the suggestion. If we can help one person, then it will be worth the time.

It is me again, but this time, I have some questions about filing for my wife, and children's Residency Permit.

1. I have lived, with my then fiance, in Mexico for a few years now. We have lived very poorly, with a few exceptions. What income that we have had has been scarce. I have not filed income tax for 3 years. We have lived off the money that we made selling things in flea markets near our home. We also received money from my participation in new drug trials, and from loans from my sister and her husband.

Can my sister and her husband be the only ones supporting us? Now that I am back in the states, I will find work to meet the requirements, but until then, how should we file for this?

2. We have rented an apartment, and it is in both our names. My sister and her husband do not plan to move ever. Since their address is our permanant address, do we need to file for a change of address.

3. Our son is not registered with the government, and came here on a Mexican visa. He is also mine. Can we file here for his birth, and how?

4. Do we pay all the fees at once with the AOS, including the filing fee fot the form $70?

I am real new to VJ, but I would like to comment. My wife, and then fiance, did so much together, wrote so many love letters, made a mountain of telephone calls to each other when we were apart, passed through countless toll roads where receipts are given, took pictures of our life together, with our children, that it was almost impossible to not have evidence of our relationship. We entered on a K-1 Visa, and the children on a K-2. At first, the Consulate did not want to let me into the consulate, but I wormed my way in by whining. We both arrived with more than 172 pieces of evidence, copied three times each, and a bag of photos. We even wrote letters to the interviewer stating how much our lives had changed, and how our lives are better as a couple. In fact, during the interview, the interviewer did not have to put all his attention on the paperwork, and was able to talk to us as a couple. We were happy to be there, and it showed. The children were children as children are. The interviewer separated us, gave us each questions that only a "spouse" would know, and without blinking, the interviewer approved our Visa.

Perhaps, like the other post said, you simply underestimated the importance of documentation, and the importance of this part in your journey. Once you apply again, think about these things. Also, contact people who were at your wedding, that maybe took photos. You can make copies.

I had a friend that was rejected, and she went around to her friends and asked them to write letters testifying to have personal knowledge of their relationship. It worked. They got their Visa.

Don't give up hope. You will make it. Be very, very patient.

Okay, I have two questions to address. To the person that has a daughter from Peru, the answer comes with a question. No need to write back, but the answer will help you with my response. Does your daughter have a valid passport? If your daughter has a valid passport, and you put the guardianship papers into English, then I doubt that you will have difficulty at the Consulate when you go for your visa. Although we had our son's guardanship papers ready, and were ready to answer any questions that the interviewer had, the issue was never brought up. As far as the United States is concerned, the guardianship papers are valid until the child turns 18, unless a termination date HAS been written into the document. If the papers have a termination date, then you will need to return to Peru and re-obtain a new set of guardianship papers.

The second query is: What papers did we show the guard in front of the Embassy?

The guard wanted to see the acceptance letter sent by USCIS, I think it is the I-796, and the Consulate guide wanted to see if we had paid receipts for the 4 VISAs. Here is something strange also. Inside the Consulate there is a Cashier's window. I felt certain that we could have paid for the Visas inside before the interview. If we could have paid inside, we would have saved some money. Although the Visas cost $131 for each one, the bank required that we pay almost $2,000 pesos for each Visa. They explained to us that the United States only accepts pesos at the exchange rate of 15 pesos per American Dollar. We paid it after buying a password for 1-900 numbers, and called another Consulate in another state. Hindsite being 20/20, we wished that we had inquired about paying for the Visa inside the Consulate. But in all appearances, we could not have entered the Consulate without the receipts, or so it seemed.

One note to all: A woman was robbed outside while waiting. There are people dressed in matching clothing that appear like official uniforms. They convinced her that they were there to look over her papers. She lost EVERYTHING, including some money that she also was carrying inside her folder. Also, one other note: a few weeks later, there was a killing in front of the old Wendy's restaraunt, that is located just to the other side of the doctor's clinic. Be very careful and pay attention to your surroundings.

Hello everyone. I want to share with you how my wife, 3 children, and I were able to finally be together here in the United States. When it comes to doing things the hard way, I am an expert. After trying the advice of different lawyers, spending almost $2000 needlessly, we decided to fill out the I-129f ourselves. My wife and three boys are from Mexico, by the way. I researched the internet exhaustively to make sure that when we submitted our application for the first time, that we would not be asked for more evidence. We still had to send in more evidence, but basically they wanted something more concrete that was in English. Fortunately, I had sent a number of Western Union money grams that contained both our names. We put our application in on December 5th, 2008, and were approved in May, 2009. We were told that a packet would be sent to us, with instructions to advance to the American Consulate in Juarez. Immediately, I figured that if the packet would be sent to my Phoenix address, as had all the other correspondence, that my sister could forward it to me in El Paso, and we would be ready.

Here's the thing. I keep reading where K-1 Visa applicants are waiting for their appointments, but it states clearly on the forms that K-1 applicants do not need to wait for an appointment. I will say this again: K-1 applicants do not need to wait for an appointment. We did not have an appointment. We simply showed our paperwork to the guard outside, and he escorted us to the door. We walked in, in front of everyone.

We waited for the forms to arrive, stayed in a Casa de Huespedes, and worked on our final details. We had questions, so I went to the Consulate, waited in the Information line for almost 4 hours, and once at the window, I asked my question. The man looked at me, and asked me if we had received our packet. I told him that we would wait for it in Juarez. He looked at me kind of funny "Why did you come so early, and without your packet?" So, I told him that while we would be waiting, we would just visit tourist areas, the Zoo and whatever. Have fun. He gave me an appointment card to come back the next day. After waiting in line, again, not knowing that with the appointment card that I could have just went to the front of the line, I waited for the same man to help me. He remembered me, and can you believe, he pulled our packet out of the packets that had beed there waitin to be sent. We filled out the information. Went to the bank and paid the Visa fees, went to the clinic, three days later, received the TB results, the computer disks and the physical results. Took all that to the Consulate. Interviewed that day, were approved, and received the Visas the very next day. We left one hour later, and on June 4th, we crossed the bridge into El Paso, Texas.

I do not know how everthing worked out like it did. Finally, I have a whole lot of information to share with anyone who needs it. So much more happened during this process, things that were frustrating, and otherwise. There were bitter moments, as well as sweet moments. We are marred now, and will file for their Resident Cards at the end of September. Thinks for reading.

CONGRATS!!!

I was wondering which documents you showed for the children? did your wife showed custody papers or any other documents related to children custody at the interview or before?

Your reply will be very welcome.

Thanks!!

Shey

Sheyla, and to everyone out there.

When our oldest son was born, because my wife did not want to declare who the father was, she simply gave him her two last names. However, with our second oldest, the father was still around, or at least promising to be there, but as soon as the baby was born, he took off, to return to his wife, if he ever left her at all. This here was our major problem. The father was absent, and to this day, I am the only father that our son knows. The paternal father, although during this entire process tried to get Abi back, was helpful, and we will appreciate his help forever. We hired a lawyer, and had documents drawn up giving my wife permission to travel, tend to his medical needs, tourism, and educational needs. There was no time limit placed on the document. But wait----when we fianlly went to get his passport in Hermosillo, we were told that the document was only good for 6 months. We returned, once again, and asked the paternal father for his help once again, and although it was difficult for him to leave work, he did so again. We signed new documents with the same lawyer. But wait----because we were treated poorly at the passport office in Hermosillo, we decided that when we got to Juarez, that we would take the risk of them telling us that we needed to obtain the passports in our hometown, and apply for the passports while we planned for our interview. We almost did not get the passport for our second son, because. lo and behold, the paternal father had renewed his identification, and the clerk who issued the new identification replace a Z with a S. We had to call again, the paternal father, have him go to Hermsosillo, fill out a OP-7, with his right name, and a second permission for our son to obtain his passport, and leave Mexico. We thought that we would never get it, but this was but one of our problems.

Abi, the kids and I had to travel by bus to Mexico City D. F. to obtain an origianl birth certificate. Not only did we arrive during a holiday, we were re-directed many times to different Registro Civiles (Civil Registry) each one a dead-end. We had left a copy of the origianal behind. This would have helped tremendously. We finally found the right Registro Civil, after 10 days of waiting, and were told that we would have to come back tomarrow. I gave the man $7 and Abi gave him 50 pesos, and he gave them to us right away. When we tried to get her pasport at the same time as the kids, we were told that Abi"s birth certificate was invalid because the man did not write in the year of her birth. They turned us away, after pleading with their supervisor. We went back home, and the "smart one" in the family just decided to write in the date, against my better judgement. He did it before I could stop him. The next day, Abi went back into the Passport office, and immediately they remembered us, and sent us away, knowing that the birth certificate had been doctored. However, since we decided to go to Juarez before receiving the welcoming packet, we did not have one problem, whatsoever.

Our third problem was that our youngest, who is also MY son, could not get his passport in Hermosillo, because I did not have a passport, and they informed me that I would be deported back to the United States, because, according to them, I was in Mexico, illegally. We had had problems obtaining a Consulate Birth Abroad certificate, and as of then, our youngest was still just considered to be Mexican. Once in Juarez, the passport office just sent me to El Paso to fill our a OP-7 giving her permission to obtain a passport for him, and afterwards, she had no problem.

We thought the nightmare would never end; we were stressed out to the max. We promised to pay our second oldest son's father the wages that he lost helping us, and also had help from Abi's brother driving the father to Hermosillo in our truck that we had left behind. (That's another story) One other note: because Abi did not have a high school diploma with her picture on it, she was only given a Passport for one year. Sssshhhhh

Maybe I am not reading correctly, but what the heck. Most of us on this site are legalistic faux paux attorneys anyways. Yes, we filed a K-1 visa. We are married now, so therefore, when I say "my wife" I am really talking about my wife. When we went to the Consulate for the interview, she was my "fiance". Sorry for the confusion.

When my then fiance and I were preparing for the Visa interview, and before we found out that we did not need to pay to get the vaccinations, until later, after we arrived in the United States, I was so angry. We were staying at a Casa de Huespedes in Juarez, and getting to know many others who were staying there also. Each person that passed through there, without exception, had to re-take their required vaccinations all over again. When I asked as to why, if clearly on their vaccination card, they had already recived many of the mandatory vaccinations necessary. It was explained to me that the doctor's clinic there in Juarez considers all health cards fraudulent. When you go in, you have to surrender your Passport, and cannot retrieve it until you have paid. In the meantime some people are paying over $1,0000 for all the shots and tests.

Before we received the Visa, back where we lived, we had been bringing all three children to the doctor, and my wife, to get these shots. Many times our children were sick from these shots. For the clinic in Juarez to tell me that my children would have to get these shots all over again was just too much. I went to the American Services there in the Consulate and question this type of medicine, and they said that they had full confidence in these doctors. Not being satisfied, I went to the border, where they process the new Visas for entry into the US, and they, too, had the same blind confidence in these doctors. So basically, if you do not do what they say, you do not get your medical results. Without these, you do not get your Visa. The clinic knows this, and uses it to their financial advantage. As a side note. All the people who DID get the shots, not one of them felt sick or nausious. It makes ME wonder if in reality, all the shots that that clinic in Juarez are giving are nothing more that just B-12 shots. I want to report these people so bad. They are taking advantage of people's hopes. Many like us were doing all this on very little money. This is not right

Ricardo,

To re-state, is it that the vaccinations that they forced on you were not in fact required by the consulate prior to getting your visa,

while the consulate turned a blind eye to their scam because those doctors were the only ones available who could sign off for your family's medical clearance?

If that's the case, maybe someone has an idea which higher authority (congress, senate? or as TBone suggests) could help you with your complaint.

Gracias

We thought at that time that we had to get my wife and children vaccinated for a second time. It was only after arriving at the clinic did we find out that Abi and the three boys were not required to have the vaccinations until after we arrived in the United States. I am speaking for the thousands of people who DO have to have their shots, again, for the second time. Now that we are in the states, we had the kids vaccinated for their normal back to school shots, and the CDC, or the people administering the shots accepted their health cards as they were. It is only the clinic in Juarez that is insisting that all health cards are fraudulent, and therefore, everyone must get these shots. I am sure that better safe than sorry might be the best way to excuse this kind of extortion, but many people are just like us, honest and patriotic. My experience with Mexico's health system is that it is a good system that cares greatly for the health of its people. The clinic there, however, is a private practice, and, there are no other doctors in Juarez to get a second opinion.

When my then fiance and I were preparing for the Visa interview, and before we found out that we did not need to pay to get the vaccinations, until later, after we arrived in the United States, I was so angry. We were staying at a Casa de Huespedes in Juarez, and getting to know many others who were staying there also. Each person that passed through there, without exception, had to re-take their required vaccinations all over again. When I asked as to why, if clearly on their vaccination card, they had already recived many of the mandatory vaccinations necessary. It was explained to me that the doctor's clinic there in Juarez considers all health cards fraudulent. When you go in, you have to surrender your Passport, and cannot retrieve it until you have paid. In the meantime some people are paying over $1,0000 for all the shots and tests.

Before we received the Visa, back where we lived, we had been bringing all three children to the doctor, and my wife, to get these shots. Many times our children were sick from these shots. For the clinic in Juarez to tell me that my children would have to get these shots all over again was just too much. I went to the American Services there in the Consulate and question this type of medicine, and they said that they had full confidence in these doctors. Not being satisfied, I went to the border, where they process the new Visas for entry into the US, and they, too, had the same blind confidence in these doctors. So basically, if you do not do what they say, you do not get your medical results. Without these, you do not get your Visa. The clinic knows this, and uses it to their financial advantage. As a side note. All the people who DID get the shots, not one of them felt sick or nausious. It makes ME wonder if in reality, all the shots that that clinic in Juarez are giving are nothing more that just B-12 shots. I want to report these people so bad. They are taking advantage of people's hopes. Many like us were doing all this on very little money. This is not right

Yes, we were married in Phoenix. We had a small wedding, and afterwards, I carried the signed copy of the marriage (the next day as it was) directly to the county court house. Of course, because we waited basically to just before the end of the 90 days, we cannot register our new marriage, or Abi's new last name with SSA, because as luck would have it, her border pass has already expired. Now we have to wait until she gets her resident card to register her new name. We can, however, register our marriage with the Mexican Consulate, obtain her new Mexican ID, and then have evidence of our wedding that way. I cannot wait to get my Mexican Citizenship!

Hello everyone. I want to share with you how my wife, 3 children, and I were able to finally be together here in the United States. When it comes to doing things the hard way, I am an expert. After trying the advice of different lawyers, spending almost $2000 needlessly, we decided to fill out the I-129f ourselves. My wife and three boys are from Mexico, by the way. I researched the internet exhaustively to make sure that when we submitted our application for the first time, that we would not be asked for more evidence. We still had to send in more evidence, but basically they wanted something more concrete that was in English. Fortunately, I had sent a number of Western Union money grams that contained both our names. We put our application in on December 5th, 2008, and were approved in May, 2009. We were told that a packet would be sent to us, with instructions to advance to the American Consulate in Juarez. Immediately, I figured that if the packet would be sent to my Phoenix address, as had all the other correspondence, that my sister could forward it to me in El Paso, and we would be ready.

Here's the thing. I keep reading where K-1 Visa applicants are waiting for their appointments, but it states clearly on the forms that K-1 applicants do not need to wait for an appointment. I will say this again: K-1 applicants do not need to wait for an appointment. We did not have an appointment. We simply showed our paperwork to the guard outside, and he escorted us to the door. We walked in, in front of everyone.

We waited for the forms to arrive, stayed in a Casa de Huespedes, and worked on our final details. We had questions, so I went to the Consulate, waited in the Information line for almost 4 hours, and once at the window, I asked my question. The man looked at me, and asked me if we had received our packet. I told him that we would wait for it in Juarez. He looked at me kind of funny "Why did you come so early, and without your packet?" So, I told him that while we would be waiting, we would just visit tourist areas, the Zoo and whatever. Have fun. He gave me an appointment card to come back the next day. After waiting in line, again, not knowing that with the appointment card that I could have just went to the front of the line, I waited for the same man to help me. He remembered me, and can you believe, he pulled our packet out of the packets that had beed there waitin to be sent. We filled out the information. Went to the bank and paid the Visa fees, went to the clinic, three days later, received the TB results, the computer disks and the physical results. Took all that to the Consulate. Interviewed that day, were approved, and received the Visas the very next day. We left one hour later, and on June 4th, we crossed the bridge into El Paso, Texas.

I do not know how everthing worked out like it did. Finally, I have a whole lot of information to share with anyone who needs it. So much more happened during this process, things that were frustrating, and otherwise. There were bitter moments, as well as sweet moments. We are marred now, and will file for their Resident Cards at the end of September. Thinks for reading.