paul p

I hadn't seen this thread earlier. I'd like to add something and I hope it won't be misinterpreted by you, Paul.

You say you brought up the discussion about 'stopping the train'. You also state your fiance has had other bad relationships.

Is there any chance she thought you were really ditching her? And that her reaction at this point is "oh great just another guy who is dissing me"?

I mean .......... no offense.......buy you are the one that started the conversation.

I understand your point but im sure not. I think she was relieved and looking for a way out. I gave her an opportunity. I dont know what has happened but i felt i was losing her over the last two months. Not sure why. Life had become hard for in money terms etc. She my be protecting me, or found someone else, or just gone off me. I dont know. She said in the communication (a text) i have had off her in 14 days (we used to contact each other many times every day), that she was "lost for words". That was a week ago. Going to write an update now at the end of this thread.

I haven't even started the process yet, but can relate to your situation.

My USC bloke and I have been together for nearly 3 years. We met up for 2 trips of 3 weeks each in 2007, once him here and once me there. Then in May 2008, he came over for what was supposed to be 3 weeks and turned, thankfully, into 5.5 months.

When we first realised we wanted to be together, he was going to move to London. Several reasons, but mainly income, ease of visa acquisition and also issues like having the NHS for having any kids we might want, etc. He was terribly homesick, though. November he flew home and by December 08, back living with his parents and being jobless, he was very depressed. He didn't feel able to say 'I can't move there' and instead withdrew.

I realised that it was make or break. The distance was absolute torture and we weren't going to be seeing each other until Easter this year. I made the decision to get on a plane and called his mom to ask if she'd be willing to pick me up at the airport and for me to stay with them for a couple of days. I wanted to 'surprise' him. I knew if he wasn't expecting me, his reaction to seeing me would be genuine.

Needless to say, I was spot on with my thinking. After a couple of hours together again, he turned to me and said "Coming here was the best thing you could ever have done. I am so excited that you're here, and I don't want to spend my life without you.' We were able to talk through all the issues that were causing him anxiety, and that included not having really lived together before getting married. He's incredibly worried about all the failed marriages he sees around him and desperately doesn't want to end up a statistic. He wants to feel like he can be the best provider he can (which he can't right now) and has to know that life won't be a struggle. He resents the process forcing us to marry.

We've traveled to the US for a total of 9 weeks already this year, and are leaving in just under 3 weeks for another 4 week trip. And on this trip, I am going to have to say to him that it's now or never. I understand his fears, genuinely, but living in limbo like this (granted the complexity of my divorce hasn't speeded up the process!) is too much. It's literally driving my kid insane from anxiety and insecurity and I can't do anything with my life to better myself in the way I want, because it's futile qualifying here as I'd need to retrain over there.

I'm terrified of what he'll say but have to trust that love will prevail. Having said this, and the point to all my rambling about my relationship, is that I honestly think some people just aren't cut out to be in an international relationship. I wish we could press a reassurance button and help our anxious SOs see that while the going is tough when it comes to visas and the demands they make/ force on us, the result is worth the effort. And I do believe that being face to face with you can only help her overcome the anxiety.

Postpone the interview or it you can't, go to the interview and get that blasted K1. Tell yourself that you need to be in the US and then just go as soon as you can. If I were you, I'd be packing all my stuff up right now, getting it into storage and booking a flight for a week on Monday. I'd simply prepare my life here for a 3 -6 month suspension. At best, you'll have to fly back for a couple weeks to sort your stuff out after you've got your AP. At worst, you'll be back in 3 months starting your life up in the UK again.

The only hiccup is if you think she's likely to cancel your petition without telling you.

Thinking of you and wishing you much luck and a happy outcome,

Tish

This is what makes this site so wonderful. Thanks for your time and compassion in this reply. You have helped me immensely and as we know, sharing our owns thoughts help us as well. Real thanks

I think contacting mother and jumping on the plane is a really good idea. I am still awaiting a reply from my fiancee and i have tried contacting my fiancee yesterday but nothing. So, i am going to text my fiancee tomorrow, after the time of my interview (i'm not going and will explain to all on another reply) and then i will contact her mom and see if she can shed a little more light. obviously there my be something that i dont know and i get on with her mom. I will do it via email.

If her mom thinks its worth the chance i will go in about 3 weeks time.

God, i so understand your anxiety etc. I felt like i had no enthusiasm for anything for the 8 months i was waiting. Waste of time building for a future here when it may not happen. I so wish you the best. Thanks to you again,

Paul

Hi all;

My fiancee is the petitioner in the U.S. We have known each other for 18 months and have been going through the K1 oricess since April. My interview in London is 23rd November.

After 8 months of hard process, and not seeing each other for 5 months i had felt the relationship not as vibrant as once was. We were still speaking every day but i was getting worried so i thought I would ask the question if she want ed to get of this train (metaphor for not beign able to stop a moving train).

She said she had massive anxiety about marrying without living together first. We discussed and in the end she wanted to finish it. No ther reason except anxiety. I have sent her a long email since (like we used to, to woo each other) and i have only had 1 text saying she is lost for words, hard for her too and will write back. That was Monday and still nothing. I did lay out options around me going over after the visa has been processed for a week and staying in a hotel just to meet. Then see how we go. I haven't had a reply except for that text saying "lost for words, hard for her too".

I feel its the pressure of marriage that is getting to her. She has had some bad relationships in her past and life for her is quite hard at the moment. I think i would make it better but maybe she is thinking of me and the damage it could do to my life of going there and it not working. Again, i am guessing. I dont know

So this feels like the end but hope is a good thing (as Shawshank would say). I am giving her time.

so what to do.

I have more or less everything i need for the interview but dont have the heart to do it. I dont want to stop the process because if she changes her mind i cant go through this again. Its 8 months of real heartache.

I want to cancel the meeting and go to the bottom of the queue, maybe 2 - 3 months later , where we can see where we are.

Is this the best idea. How do i do it? I see no numbers and they say in writing? People must get ill an not make these interviews. What happens?

Thoughts please

Paul

Some leaglities...

She can stop the process by withdrawing the petition with a letter to the consulate. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't

If you go there and state that you intend to marry this person within 90 days, when she has called it off, it is visa fraud.

Were I you, I would do one of two things...

disconnect the phone, Thank You, goodbye and book a plane ticket to a target rich atmosphere to forget about it

OR

Send her an email, tell her you ARE GOING to the interview and then will be coming to the US to marry her and if she wants to say no, she will tell you to your face. No wussy, wimpy email breakups for a guy who agreed to move across continents for her...you deserve a face to face. Then turn of your email and the next she sees you you are on her doorstep. This way, at least it isn't visa fruad if you tell her you are going to do it and she doesn't put a stop to it.

Either way...YOU grab the knobs and turn. Whatever you do, don't quit your day job. Once you enter the US on a K-1...well if you marry her, who needs the job in England? If you don't, you don't need to worry about protectng status so you can go home.

This is pressure on her and that what worries her. I need to see her without the marriage bit. What i want to do is...

Postpone it and hopefully hear nothing until the new year when i get an interview date in February

Travel over there in the next two to three weeks for a week and see how we get on. Meet her kids again and see how we get on in normal life. There has never been any argument she is just worried what happens if i come over and marry and it goes wrong. This way i cant stay. But the process doesn't go back to zero either. Yes, i do know i could be turned away at the border.

This way i get my face-to-face, with no pressure on her, with a chance to resurrect the process if she agrees

If that doesnt work i have done everything i can and i am going to go somewhere hot to forget it all for a while :0)

If you don't show up for the interview they will likely consider the application to be abandoned. That doesn't necessarily mean it couldn't be resurrected if you contacted them soon after, but there's no guarantee. The safest bet would be to reschedule. Call the Visa Services unit at the embassy:

http://london.usembassy.gov/cons_new/visa/...assistance.html

If they move you to the back of the line then it should add at least 3 months or so before the interview. In the meantime, you might want to consider going to the US as a visitor as spending some time with your fiancee, possibly even living together for a month or so - no strings attached. At the end of that time, you can both decide if you think it's going to work out.

I don't blame you for not wanting to go to the interview. If it were me, I'd have a hard time convincing a CO that my relationship was sincere if I knew that my fiancee had already pretty much called it off.

This is great advice. I cant see a CO now. Just not up to it.

The visiting is always an issue but if she would agree, a week visit may help and that,s my preference.

I will phone and say i have a personal issue i cant get out of. Hopefully they say back of the queue and inform you late. I think it may have to be done by letter though. Pity its the premium line but its worth it. Might try DOS first as they are always helpful.

Thanks again

Paul

I don't believe that an interview will just be rescheduled for a later date if the beneficiary does not show. I cannot be certain (as I've not heard of specific cases), but my assumption is that the consulate would assume that the application is no longer valid.

Personally I'd either try and get it rescheduled (maybe too late at this point), or contact the consulate and tell them that she does not plan to come to the interview and that the relationship is over. I'd even call the DOS stateside and tell them as well.

The only concern I have with that is in the event you all do get back together - then you'll have to start all over again.

FWIW I would have had her go to the interview. Just because she got a visa wouldn't mean she'd have to use it, but now she is painting herself into a corner by essentially terminating the process.

Sorry it wasnt clear but i am the beneficiary. Its my choice. I cannot convince a CO in this state. P$ says it needs to be in writng but as said too late. I will phone them and see what they say.

Hi all;

My fiancee is the petitioner in the U.S. We have known each other for 18 months and have been going through the K1 oricess since April. My interview in London is 23rd November.

After 8 months of hard process, and not seeing each other for 5 months i had felt the relationship not as vibrant as once was. We were still speaking every day but i was getting worried so i thought I would ask the question if she want ed to get of this train (metaphor for not beign able to stop a moving train).

She said she had massive anxiety about marrying without living together first. We discussed and in the end she wanted to finish it. No ther reason except anxiety. I have sent her a long email since (like we used to, to woo each other) and i have only had 1 text saying she is lost for words, hard for her too and will write back. That was Monday and still nothing. I did lay out options around me going over after the visa has been processed for a week and staying in a hotel just to meet. Then see how we go. I haven't had a reply except for that text saying "lost for words, hard for her too".

I feel its the pressure of marriage that is getting to her. She has had some bad relationships in her past and life for her is quite hard at the moment. I think i would make it better but maybe she is thinking of me and the damage it could do to my life of going there and it not working. Again, i am guessing. I dont know

So this feels like the end but hope is a good thing (as Shawshank would say). I am giving her time.

so what to do.

I have more or less everything i need for the interview but dont have the heart to do it. I dont want to stop the process because if she changes her mind i cant go through this again. Its 8 months of real heartache.

I want to cancel the meeting and go to the bottom of the queue, maybe 2 - 3 months later , where we can see where we are.

Is this the best idea. How do i do it? I see no numbers and they say in writing? People must get ill an not make these interviews. What happens?

Thoughts please

Paul

Are you in a position to come over and use the 90 days as further confirmation whether to go forward or go home? Like it was stated before you have 6 months before you have to use the visa and 90 days before you would have to wed, can you use this time to see where the two of you are then? I know it wouldn't be easy to come here and then have to go home, but if you are in a position to see, then I would recommend going to the interview.

I have offered the 90 days or even keeping the visa for 6 months to rebuild. She simply hasnt come back to me. Again, i would prefer to put the interview back rather than having something in my hand that i cant use.

If the beneficary fails to turn up for the interview, will they receive an interview date automatically 2 to 3 months later. It must have happened when the party want ed to go through with it. Accidents etc etc.

Thanks for your help so far

Hi all;

My fiancee is the petitioner in the U.S. We have known each other for 18 months and have been going through the K1 oricess since April. My interview in London is 23rd November.

After 8 months of hard process, and not seeing each other for 5 months i had felt the relationship not as vibrant as once was. We were still speaking every day but i was getting worried so i thought I would ask the question if she want ed to get of this train (metaphor for not beign able to stop a moving train).

She said she had massive anxiety about marrying without living together first. We discussed and in the end she wanted to finish it. No ther reason except anxiety. I have sent her a long email since (like we used to, to woo each other) and i have only had 1 text saying she is lost for words, hard for her too and will write back. That was Monday and still nothing. I did lay out options around me going over after the visa has been processed for a week and staying in a hotel just to meet. Then see how we go. I haven't had a reply except for that text saying "lost for words, hard for her too".

I feel its the pressure of marriage that is getting to her. She has had some bad relationships in her past and life for her is quite hard at the moment. I think i would make it better but maybe she is thinking of me and the damage it could do to my life of going there and it not working. Again, i am guessing. I dont know

So this feels like the end but hope is a good thing (as Shawshank would say). I am giving her time.

so what to do.

I have more or less everything i need for the interview but dont have the heart to do it. I dont want to stop the process because if she changes her mind i cant go through this again. Its 8 months of real heartache.

I want to cancel the meeting and go to the bottom of the queue, maybe 2 - 3 months later , where we can see where we are.

Is this the best idea. How do i do it? I see no numbers and they say in writing? People must get ill an not make these interviews. What happens?

Thoughts please

Paul

at least they are consistent. Takes 3 weeks to log. Both waiting. Will let you know when i get my interview date

We sent the completed packet 3 to embassy in London and based on DHL confirmation it was received and signed by "KOKO" at the embassy 15 days ago. But embassy has not yet logged in our packet 3 and there is no record of it even after 15 days so far (based on the info I got from Department of state).

What should I do ? Is it normal or do you think they somehow lost it at the embassy ? Should I consider sending them all the forms in packet 3 again ?

Thanks.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry3452872

Others have run into this in the United Kingdom forum. Topic NOA2 to Interview.

Thanks a lot.

My friend it will be ok. Sent mine October 13th and like an idiot didnt do anything about recorded delivery. Phoned DOS last Monday, not on system. Phone DOS today, its ON the system. No interview date adn it may be two weeks until i hear that she said, but i am logged.

So 18 days for me. Yours is there, it was signed for. It just takes time. All is cool. Not long now until forever :0) :0)

Thanks man. I really appreciate that. I hope ours will show up soon too. We have enough stress already by this neverending process and we really don't need additional headaches....

Tel me about it. I've been through house moves, a divorce and this is the most stressful thing i have been through. I think it is because i want it so much. nearly there now though. The darkest hour is just before dawn

We sent the completed packet 3 to embassy in London and based on DHL confirmation it was received and signed by "KOKO" at the embassy 15 days ago. But embassy has not yet logged in our packet 3 and there is no record of it even after 15 days so far (based on the info I got from Department of state).

What should I do ? Is it normal or do you think they somehow lost it at the embassy ? Should I consider sending them all the forms in packet 3 again ?

Thanks.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry3452872

Others have run into this in the United Kingdom forum. Topic NOA2 to Interview.

Thanks a lot.

My friend it will be ok. Sent mine October 13th and like an idiot didnt do anything about recorded delivery. Phoned DOS last Monday, not on system. Phone DOS today, its ON the system. No interview date adn it may be two weeks until i hear that she said, but i am logged.

So 18 days for me. Yours is there, it was signed for. It just takes time. All is cool. Not long now until forever :0) :0)

I ticked the box no criminal past as this is the case, as I suspect did most of us being totally honest.

I have my ACPO certificate with the real gross picture of me in front of me right now.

It clearly states 'No Trace!'

Does that mean that if a person certificate comes back with No Live Trace that they have a criminal past?

Surely the filer knows that a police check will pick up anything they have done previously?

NO TRACE IS NOT THE SAME AS NO LIVE TRACE...

NO, YOU ARE NOT A RIMINAL

NO TRACE MEASN THEY HAVE NOTING ON YOU

NO LIVE TRACE MEANS THAT YOU HAVE CONVICTIONS, AND THEY ARE SPENT, OR IN OTHER WORDS, TIME HAS PASSED AND THEY ARE

NO DOWNGRADED

BUT YOU ARE OK!!!!

OK this is what happens with a "No live trace"

Even though convictions are not listed on the police certificate, have been downgraded or spent, the consular official dealing with your application is advised automaticaly to pass the information that a "No live trace" certificate is on file to the London Fraud Prevention Manager. This is done in every case. The Fraud prevention Manager's office usualy does a quick check to see if there are any convictions which could carry a prison sentence of five years or over or crimes involving "moral terpitude" such as prostitution etc.

The London Fraud prevention Manager's Office can sometimes temporarily pass an application which has a "No live trace" where the convictions are of a minor nature due to their workload, but will review it again later. This is where they will also look at the whole of the application again for discrepancies.

If you have witheld information on any of the immigration forms by not crossing a box or by any other form of omision it is a FEDERAL offence and a felony. The authorities DO take this seriously and if you have witheld any information you will be charged. Usualy people witholding information are caught out when applying for their "green card" as all is checked again especialy employment records, criminal records and marriages and divorces.

If by this time you are in the USA, you will be arrested and possibly deported as it is a felony even if you are married.

You will find that it is better to be honest and declare everything possible rather than have the very real threat of arrest in the back of your mind all of the time.

The US consular officials are not there to give you a hard time, but to check that the information which you give them is of a truthful nature. Contrary to poular belief they will not refuse your visa becuase you have a crminal record listing only minor offences.

I know this is a long time but this is brilliant information for anyone who has a no live trace. I have a theft offence as a juvenile (15 years old) which i went to juvenile court and got a suspended sentence. I ticked no to the moral turpitude box as a junvenile cannot be shown to have poor morals as they are still a kid (it is worded differently but same gist- dont get me wrong, it catalog and u r only 18 u may have problems).

I did tick the "committed a crime" box on the K156 and listed th eoffence in full on a supplementary piece of paper. My packet 3 for th eK1 has been logged in the London embassy today so i still await an interview date. I will keep all informed but i am not suspecting any problems. I do not have a "subject access" form as i think i will miss the date (40 days to get) and i'm also hearing it may not be on there anyway.

Hi all;

We have sent off packet 3 to London Embassy on Oct 13th and now are awaiting packet 4 (we havent had the interview date yet).

However, the US citizen got an email stating this:

Acceptance

On October 27, 2009, a duplicate notice was mailed to you regarding a decision on this case, or describing how we will process the case if it is still pending. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your case is at our CALIFORNIA SERVICE CENTER location. If this I129F, PETITION FOR FIANCE(E) is still pending, you will be notified by mail when a decision is made, or if the office needs something from you. If you move and this case is still pending, please use our Change of Address online tool to update your case with your new address or call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.

During the acceptance step USCIS reviews newly received applications and petitions to ensure that they are properly filed (e.g. signed by the applicant, appropriate fees etc.) USCIS issues a receipt number for the application or petition, and sends a receipt notice to the applicant.

Applications and petitions that are not properly filed are rejected with an explanation of why the application is rejected and the corrective action needed.

The status on the USCIS site has also been moved from "Document production or oath ceremony" back to the beginning being "Acceptance".

Is this anything to worry about?

We did have problems with the NOA2 being misdelivered 2 times and this may be a hang-up form that. It is a duplicate notice.

It just worrying that it says its back with CSC. We're in London. Dont want to go back to there.

Did check with DOS about the london case and they told me it was not on the system yet from london (after 2 weeks) but this isnt unusual. Told me to check again next week.

What are peoples thoughts?

Paul

It was a duplicate NOA2. Thanks for giving me a non-stress week.

Sounds like the USCIS system doesn't know how to properly categorize the status of a case where a duplicate notice has been issued.

Considering that you've gotten NOA2 and there were delivery issues, this is in all likelihood referring to a duplicate NOA2 having been issued. Nothing to worry about. Your case is not back at CSC—there's a different message to indicate that.

I think you have nothing to worry about.

Brilliant quick and concise response as ever.

Really appreciated.

Paul

Hi all;

We have sent off packet 3 to London Embassy on Oct 13th and now are awaiting packet 4 (we havent had the interview date yet).

However, the US citizen got an email stating this:

Acceptance

On October 27, 2009, a duplicate notice was mailed to you regarding a decision on this case, or describing how we will process the case if it is still pending. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your case is at our CALIFORNIA SERVICE CENTER location. If this I129F, PETITION FOR FIANCE(E) is still pending, you will be notified by mail when a decision is made, or if the office needs something from you. If you move and this case is still pending, please use our Change of Address online tool to update your case with your new address or call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.

During the acceptance step USCIS reviews newly received applications and petitions to ensure that they are properly filed (e.g. signed by the applicant, appropriate fees etc.) USCIS issues a receipt number for the application or petition, and sends a receipt notice to the applicant.

Applications and petitions that are not properly filed are rejected with an explanation of why the application is rejected and the corrective action needed.

The status on the USCIS site has also been moved from "Document production or oath ceremony" back to the beginning being "Acceptance".

Is this anything to worry about?

We did have problems with the NOA2 being misdelivered 2 times and this may be a hang-up form that. It is a duplicate notice.

It just worrying that it says its back with CSC. We're in London. Dont want to go back to there.

Did check with DOS about the london case and they told me it was not on the system yet from london (after 2 weeks) but this isnt unusual. Told me to check again next week.

What are peoples thoughts?

Paul

I have been told i can get a subject access form but that takes 40 days and is not my court records. How do i get a printed copy of my juvenile court records in the 1980's

can anyone help

Anyone at all?

I have been told i can get a subject access form but that takes 40 days and is not my court records. How do i get a printed copy of my juvenile court records in the 1980's

can anyone help

I have been told i can get a subject access form but that takes 40 days and is not my court records. How do i get a printed copy of my juvenile court records in the 1980's

Hi,

I had my K1 medical at Knightsbridge Doctors yesterday and I just thought that I'd share my experience.

Location

The doctors office is located about a 5-10 minute wander from Bond Street tube station. Exiting the station, I crossed to the north side of Oxford Street and headed west (towards Selfridges) turning right into Gees Court and heading all the way through the pedestrian area to Wigmore Street. Across Wigmore and then into Jason Court and onto Marylebone Lane. Bentinck Street, where the the office is, is a few yards on to the right.

As you turn right in to Bentinck Street, the office is located in the first building on your right (Bentinck Mansions). The building appears to be an apartment block and the office is on the ground floor to the right (Flat 4). You will need to buzz the intercom to get in.

Check-in

Spoke to the receptionist, who was very polite, and handed over the questionnaire (from the information contained in Packet 3), my passport and a photo. I was asked to go through to the waiting room. The receptionist appeared a few minutes later in the room and handed me an Embassy medical form which I was asked to complete along with an HIV screening authorisation form.

I filled everything out and the receptionist came and collected the forms and told me the nurse would be along shortly. And she wasn't wrong!

Nurse!

After a couple of minutes the nurse came along and took me off to her office. We spoke about vaccinations and she explained about the K1 requirements. I didn't have any records and she told me that I would be able to get the required shots done at my GP for free. I opted to have the shots done there and then as my GP had nicely taken me off their books as I hadn't been for so long!!!

The nurse and I chatted about things and before I knew it first shot was in my arm and done, a blink at the realisation that it had been done and the second was in there and done! This nurse was a first-class professional! It was all administered is a very cheerful and pleasant way.

I was given record of the batch numbers of the shots and the nurse checked to see if the radiographer was free. Bing! Oh yes he was!

X-Ray

This bit was a little odd as it happened so quick and I didn't see anything happen! The radiographer was very cheery and he asked me to strip off my top. He then asked me to turn around and place my chest against a large square plate, place my chin on the top bar. He put my arms behind my back and gave me a, what I guess was a lead sheet to hold in both hands. And we were done before I knew it!

The chap asked me to get dressed again and off I went back to the waiting room where I waited for about ten minutes.

Doctor, Doctor

My name was called and the Doctor introduced herself and led me off to her office. She was very polite and chatty, asking me about my day, my job, where I live etc. She asked me basic health questions about a previous operation and the she was ready for the physical exam.

I popped my shoes off and she checked my weight and height, then she checked my eyesight (with glasses on). She then asked me to sit on the bed and she checked my breathing with her stethoscope, checked my glands and took my blood pressure. Then she took a blood sample which was very painless and asked me lie down on the bed. The doctor then proceeded to prod various organs while chatting away and finally asked to have a quick peek down below.

A couple more questions, one of which was have I ever been in trouble with the police and have I ever been caught for drink driving. I thought they were a bit odd for a medical but then I guess they may reveal underlying problems.

And we were done! 10-15 minutes top with the doctor.

Conclusion

So around 45 minutes after arriving it was back to reception and pay the bill. I feel that I was treated well and everyone I came into contact with was very friendly, but then I should hope so for such an expensive (but necessary) escapade!

If anyone is worried or nervous, I found from my experience that it was quick, painless and not unpleasant at all.

Hope this is helpful!

Dom

Hi Dom;

I must congratualte you on a very good post. Obviously designed to make the reader feel relaxed and it definitely did that.

Thanks

Paul

Do you find out the result actuallly at the interview or do you get told later? If so, how? Phone? Email? etc.

THanks

Paul

I'm hoping that London receive the petition any day now. It was sent via DHL!

You can call the DOS #202 to see if the embassy has received it. Or you can email the embassy and ask them. I would give them a couple days to make sure its in the system at the embassy..

Good luck for interview today

My fiance is in the same boat..."no live trace" for letting the air out of the neighbours tires when he was a teenager..we had to go get a "police subject access" from the local cop shop/police station, lol for 10 pounds....takes about 40 or less days to get supposably and we are hoping that it wont affect our interview either! Good luck!

Not sure if that is Moral Turpitude. Probably be ok. If i may ask, Who told you to get the "police subject access"? Was it the US Embassy

There are links on this thread to the guide the U.S embassy use and between 15 and 18 it looks like you are fine if it isnt a felony. Yours definitely wouldnt be and mine probably isnt due to cost of the item and the sentence i got (conditional discharge).

Again, tihs is a nightmare but all i can do is go to the interview. Im allowed to work on government projects so my thinking is that a misdemeanour 25 years ago when i was still a juvenile isnt going to sway things too much. Trouble is, affidavit is slightly dodgy and something medical too. All put together may swing it. Ahh what th ehell, im a good person and they will see that. (that statement is for my benefit i think :0) ).

Paul

Shoplifting, broadly speaking, is considered a crime involving moral turpitude. The actual determination of whether your specific offense involved moral turpitude takes in other factors, however, including the sentence received, the possible sentence, etc.

The fact that you were a minor at the time may get you off the hook as well.

State Department Foreign Affairs Manual - Notes on visa applicants who have committed crimes: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86942.pdf

This is a nightmare.

I was 15 years old (25 years ago), stole a 4 pound blank cassette tape, went to court and got a conditional discharge. Not sure what the maximum sentence was available. Probably community service.

I am currently working in UK government I.T. project and they check your police record and were ok with it. Im still owrking there. It has been "stepped down"

Now, the above is true but the court case was done due to a second offence. The first being at the age of 13 when a gang of us stole some paintings that were being thrown out. Again got a caution. So is this a second offense and therefore not allowed the exemption.

Dont even want to mention that.

Just want to mention i went to court for juvenile crime of shoplifting and received a conditional discharge.

Do you honestly think they will deny me for this?

To some extent the best route for you depends on how juvenile convictions are treated in England and Wales (??). For many US jurisdictions, for example, you are allowed to answer no to the question "have you ever been convicted...?" if it was a juvenile offence and it happened many years ago (the rules vary). I would find out exactly what the rules are in your jurisdiction. Then, since I assume your police certificate will look different from the average UK applicant, I would prepare a declaration or an affidavit to offer with the police certificate explaining your situation and why you did not disclose initially. Something like:

[insert general declaration/affidavit opening]

On or about [date], at the age of [age], I was convicted [if they make your record secret (i.e. seal it): of a juvenile offense][if they don't seal it: shoplifting] and sentenced to [whatever your sentence was--what did the conditional discharge involve?]

[If this is true: Under the laws of England and Wales, such offenses are not counted as convictions....][if not: explain why you didn't disclose it before.]

[If this is true, something like: I have never been arrested for, charged with, convicted of, or to my knowledge, investigated with respect to, any other crime, whether felony or misdemeanor. ]

BUT, If your police certificate doesn't look different --check the regional forum for that-- the analysis would change.

For those of you disagreeing... the reason to give this sort of explanation is not that this offense (though shoplifiting could be a crime of moral turpitude depending on the exact language of the law under which you were convicted), commited as 15(?)-year-old, should cause you issues or even send you to AP/waiverland--don't get me wrong it could. But the bigger risk is that, you could get in trouble for misrepresentations or (something I have heard of only once or twice) "quasi-misrepresentations". If you get that verdict, they are saying you lied and there is basically nothing you can do. So DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE. Since it is a theft crime, I would avoid giving the details if it is possible (i.e. England and Wales don't require disclosure of juvenile crimes) and force the Consulate to ask you for details if they want them.

Thanks for your quick response. Couple of questions....

I dont send the police certificate to the embassy do i (with the standard forms). The first they see it is when i show them at the embassy. Is this correct?

When i sign the packet 3 forms (i havent done this yet), is says any criminal offense. I assume i say yes and then put juvenile offence with the words you stated in comments box. Should i do this?

The police certificate says "No live Trace". a few people on the forum have had this and had no problems. However, i dont know if they declared it. However, i phoned ACRO and the man said if was an offense i would need to declare it. The form actually says "if your police certificate states 'no live trace' and you have not declared it, you may be asked to explain this outcome which could delay your visa application.

So, answering my own question and with your words about misleading in mind, declare it (and it is moral turpitude - jeez, shoplifting and joy-riding isnt), say it was as a juvenile, say it was a discharge and then go with the consequences.

Cant believe this is haunting me now

Paul

Jeez, u think u r a nice guy and then u do things lie this and past days bite you.

I have recieved my police certificate and it says "no live trace". I didnt know what this was as i have never committed any crimes as an adult except a few traffic offences (points on the license etc.). I phone ACRO up and they are very helpful. Got my file and phoned me back an hour later.

I have a conviction in 1984 for shoplifting. Was given a 12 month conditional discharge at the juvenile court.

So, can anyone think if this will go against me at the interview?

Assume i have to tell them?

Also on other forms i said i didnt have any convictions but i didnt know this was on my record (i thought it only counted as an adult)?

What is peoples advice?

Paul

All;

Sorry in advance if being a bit thick. I have been on the us embassy site and on here and some information conflicts so a bit confused. I have had packet 3 and have been trying for last 9 day to get my head around it. Can you please help me the following.

To get an interview date i have to complete the following 5 forms:

DS230 (Part 1) - Is this correct?

DS156 - Is this correct?

DS156K - Is this correct?

DS157 - Is this correct?

IV-15K - Is this correct?

You've got it!

So if above is correct, some futher questions:

DS156:

Evidence of Financial Support. Is the affidavit fo support. THese is nothing on the US embassy webpage to help here. What form should i use to complete this information to their standards?

If you get stuck filling out any of the forms, go here: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;page=examples. The DS156 is not the Evidence of Financial Support. The i-134 is the Evidence of Financial support. This is what your fiancee should be filling out and sending to you, with her documentation.

Evidence of engagement: What they want? Ring receipt? If you have it, or we just collected emails talking about our impending wedding. My fiance asked my father for my hand in marriage by email, so we included that. This is not something you send with Packet 3.

Birth certificates of all children: Do they want this even if they are ot accompanying me? I don't think so, If your kids are 21 or over, then no. Otherwise, I don't see why they would need these. Anyone else have this info??

Do i send in photo-copies of all additional documents (which are also on the checkilist)? Or do i send nothing in and just take the evidence with me?

All supporting evidence goes with you to the interview. Only the DS forms and the IV15 are mailed to the IVU.

DS230 part 1

Part 1 only - leave Part 2 blank. Is this correct? Leave blank any part that says "Do not write below this line". Fill out everything else. We sent part 1 and part 2 in our packet.

Q35 - All trips to the USA. Got to remember them all? Well, you can only record what you can remember. Do you have stamps in your passport? Anyone you travelled with who could help you out?

IV-15K

Do i have to wait until i have all items before sending this in? Currently awaiting affidavit from fiancee (i am the beneficiary) and police check

Well, I would suggest the correct answer is yes, but considering it takes approx 2 weeks to get the police check, how close are you? How close are you to getting your affadavit? I hear packet 4 takes at least 2 weeks.

Court / prison record. Never been to either. Do i stilll need this? No

Additional

Evidence like photos etc. re required. Assume just for the interview? Correct!

Again, sorry if this is repetetive. I have checked just been struggling

Thanks in advance.

Paul

Hi, can anyone help with this please?

It's not easy, is it? Good luck. If you run into any questions along the way, just shout.

Be sure you include 2 copies of Form DS-156 and DS-157 for each family member applying for a visa.

Keep one copy of everything for yourself! This will help in case something gets lost at the embassy or in the mail along the way.

Absolute brilliant response my friend. Very clear and informative. Going to fill out the 4 documents and checklist (some twice as recommended).

I will take the affidavit of support (I-134) and other info like police records with me. I wont send these with the documents. Only the 5 documents get sent. The rest i take by hand when i go to the interview.

I am correct (i think)?

All;

Sorry in advance if being a bit thick. I have been on the us embassy site and on here and some information conflicts so a bit confused. I have had packet 3 and have been trying for last 9 day to get my head around it. Can you please help me the following.

To get an interview date i have to complete the following 5 forms:

DS230 (Part 1) - Is this correct?

DS156 - Is this correct?

DS156K - Is this correct?

DS157 - Is this correct?

IV-15K - Is this correct?

So if above is correct, some futher questions:

DS156:

Evidence of Financial Support. Is the affidavit fo support. THese is nothing on the US embassy webpage to help here. What form should i use to complete this information to their standards?

Evidence of engagement: What they want? Ring receipt?

Birth certificates of all children: Do they want this even if they are ot accompanying me?

Do i send in photo-copies of all additional documents (which are also on the checkilist)? Or do i send nothing in and just take the evidence with me?

DS230 part 1

Part 1 only - leave Part 2 blank. Is this correct?

Q35 - All trips to the USA. Got to remember them all?

IV-15K

Do i have to wait until i have all items before sending this in? Currently awaiting affidavit from fiancee (i am the beneficiary) and police check

Court / prison record. Never been to either. Do i stilll need this?

Additional

Evidence like photos etc. re required. Assume just for the interview?

Again, sorry if this is repetetive. I have checked just been struggling

Thanks in advance.

Paul

Hi, can anyone help with this please?