YankeeDoodle

When you walk into your oath ceremony with the N-445, you have to answer this question and sign your name to it:

AFTER the date you were first interviewed on your Application for Naturalization,

Form N-400:

1. Have you married, or been widowed, separated or divorced? (If "Yes," please

bring documented proof of marriage, death, separation or divorce.) Either yes or no to this question.

How would you answer it?

If you answer No, chances are they would never find out, but you would have to live with yourself and be in a constant fear as you lied on this form.

If you answer yes and bring in the appropriate paperwork, you can just see what happens.

You are right that if I answer NO, they will never find out. BUT i'll be living under constant fear that they can revoke it once they find out and especially when you divorce you make alot more enemies than friends who can threaten to bust your secret/lie.

I rather wait another 2 year than live with that fear and anxiety.

Another question.

I do have couple of traffic tickets that were cleared long before even I got my temp Green card, nothing since then. Do i still need to get a latest court deposition of those tickets?

Yankee

Believe if the fine was less than 500 bucks, no, but if drunken or wreckless driving where someone was killed or injured, yes.

It was less than 500 bucks but dont I still need to have it to prove that it was less than 500 bucks?

When you walk into your oath ceremony with the N-445, you have to answer this question and sign your name to it:

AFTER the date you were first interviewed on your Application for Naturalization,

Form N-400:

1. Have you married, or been widowed, separated or divorced? (If "Yes," please

bring documented proof of marriage, death, separation or divorce.) Either yes or no to this question.

How would you answer it?

If you answer No, chances are they would never find out, but you would have to live with yourself and be in a constant fear as you lied on this form.

If you answer yes and bring in the appropriate paperwork, you can just see what happens.

You are right that if I answer NO, they will never find out. BUT i'll be living under constant fear that they can revoke it once they find out and especially when you divorce you make alot more enemies than friends who can threaten to bust your secret/lie.

I rather wait another 2 year than live with that fear and anxiety.

Another question.

I do have couple of traffic tickets that were cleared long before even I got my temp Green card, nothing since then. Do i still need to get a latest court deposition of those tickets?

Yankee

I don't know if it's worth the risk of failing to reveal circumstances that may affect your case if discovered.

Might be better to inform USCIS of your situation. Worst thing would be you'd have to wait another 2 years.

The letter does imply you were not separated at the time of your interview.

I agree. If it were me and I wasn't sure if I really 100% qualified for citizenship and if I always would worry that the separation would be discovered, I wouldn't be able to sleep well for the rest of my life (just think about how you're feeling right now). Talk to USCIS and see what they say. They might say that everything is o.k. since you weren't separated at the time of your interview. Then you can take the oath and sleep well. They might say that you don't qualify for citizenship after three years but you always can apply again in two years and will most likely be approved. Or you can keep it to yourself and they find out later and you might get your citizenship revoked, punished for not disclosing this information and you don't get another chance. Talk to an IO, only they can give you a reliable answer about this case. All the members here can do is guess. You don't want to build your life on that.

Good luck!

Thanks Stella08 for your candid opinion. You are absolutly right that it is giving me sleepless nights already and I dont want to live a lie and be fearful of the consequences forever. I am getting same vibes from everyone and thats what I am gonna do, tell them the exact situation and hope for the best (to be honest, I dont think the best scenario will play out so I am prepared for waiting 2 more yrs).

Once again thanks to everyone who responded.

I'll keep you guys posted as to how it worked out.

Wish me luck and may the force be with me .....

Yankee

No you separated BEFORE the interview, but are legally in divorce proceedings now. As far as I can see it is up to the discretion of USCIS whether you qualify for expedited Naturalisation. Did your USC spouse attend the N400 interview with you?

Hi,

I filed N400 with 3 yr married to USC rule. After fileing and before interview, things got worse and USC moved out of the house and filed for divorce. Interview went fine.. IO didnt ask and I didnt tell. Finally got the oath ceremony letter where it specifically asks if I got married, divorced, separated, widowed after N400 interview. Not sure how to answer that as technically I did NOT separate AFTER the interview. I am still married to the USC but the divorce case is in cour of law. Any help or suggestions is appreciated.

If I answer Yes to above question what all documents do I need to bring and what are different possible outcomes at the oath ceremony

Any advice please.

Yankee

Thanks diadromous mermaid.

She did not attend the N400 interview but from how the interview went I dont think they would have allowed her in the interview room and thats what everyone suggested that she is not needed and wont be allowed come with me during the N400 interview.

If it makes any difference she is willing to come to the oath ceremony and we have a child togather too, who will most likely come too if she does. Obviously it wasnt a fradulent marriage but I agree its upto the discretion of USCIS official at the ceremony.

Thank for your input.

Yankee

Hi,

I filed N400 with 3 yr married to USC rule. After fileing and before interview, things got worse and USC moved out of the house and filed for divorce. Interview went fine.. IO didnt ask and I didnt tell. Finally got the oath ceremony letter where it specifically asks if I got married, divorced, separated, widowed after N400 interview. Not sure how to answer that as technically I did NOT separate AFTER the interview. I am still married to the USC but the divorce case is in cour of law. Any help or suggestions is appreciated.

If I answer Yes to above question what all documents do I need to bring and what are different possible outcomes at the oath ceremony

Any advice please.

Yankee

Any suggestion or advice from experts here? Had i known I'd be in such a pickle, I'd have stayed togather for 4-5 months :-(

Thanks

Yankee

Thanks Lili for your input. This is what i am planning on doing. Any suggestions as to what all documents, pictures etc do I need to take with me to convince IO that this marriage was done in god faith and there is nothing fraudulent about it.

I would also like to hear from anyone who was in a similar situation or know someone who was.

Thanks,

Yankee

Guys,

Time for your input again. I got my interview in Dec and that went fine. Fine in the sense.....visa officer started off with exam and basic paper work question. An immigration attorney, I consulted before my interview told me not to tell more than asked for. So, I didnt mention about separation as the officer didnt ask hows the marriage or anything of that sort...it was assumed everything was fine and I didnt divulge anything unless asked for...... now I wish I had explained everything then.

Just recieved my oath ceremony letter for next week... and there is question asking if I married, divorce, separated etc AFTER the interview... and if I answer yes, I need to produce documents etc. And now the same lawyer sugges that I put Yes and come clean and be prepared for the worst.

Now my question to experts here:

1. Not what would Jesus do but what would you do in my situation?

2. I am planning to come clean, so what all documents do i need to take if I answer that question as YES, even though technically it would be NO because we were separated BEFORE.

Please tell me what are my options and what are the different possible outcomes.

Thanks to all. This is one place where I found consice and accurate information and supportive people.

Thanks,

Yankee

I guess I can stop worrying abt this issue for now and should start posting on other forums where there is advise for dads who are denied of the kids by their evil spouses :-)

Thanks guys, this forum is really helpful to a lot of people. keep up the good work.

Yankee

If you are being denied visitation, or you think the kids' mother is trying to turn them against you, you really DO want to do something about that right away. I just read a book called "Divorce Poison" by Dr. Richard A. Warshak. It's not very expensive to buy if you can't find a copy at your local library. There was very good information in there. Best of luck!

Thanks VenusFire. I'll look into that book. I surely need help with the visitation and custody issue. I've already discussed it with few attorneys and it appears they are just there to make them some money. But I know for sure that I can't fight this uphill battle by myself. Anyways, I'll keep you posted on how things are going.

On a different note, Filed Office(chicago)'s processing dates are not updated correctly. It shows that they are still processing Dec'07 N400 apps, which I dont think is true. When I check my online status, it says N400 recieved and currently processed by Nebraska, but on Nebraska's processing timelines ,they dont have anything for N400s. Is it true that after initial processing Nebraska forwarded to Chicago( it being the closest FO from my location)??

LucyRich, You've got really great depth of knowledge on immegration issues. That link does provide little bit more clarity and details. Thanks for your advise and information. That adminstrative denaturalization seems like a very vague rule and will be a b!tch too deal with for anyone. So, I've decided to tell everything how it is and watch how the cookie crumbles.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

YankeeDoodle

Ilovecookies: why does she have a protection order against you? USCIS might check on that!! As far as I know, you have to be of "good moral character", so I don't know how that will affect your case.

Because she figured that would be the easiest way for her to give me immense pain and deny me of my child. And supposedly she fears that I'll take my child out of USA and may never return. Other reason, so that she can see me squirm without my child and probably she is hoping that it will convince me to tolerate all of her bullsh!t and continue to live with her. Just her tactic to torture me and possibly get back to me.

As far as "Good Moral" character is concerned, I dont know how it will be percieved by USCIS. As far as protection order is concerned, any one can get one against anyone, its the hearing in the court that willl decide if it needs to be continued or removed or if it was firvolous, which I am waiting for.

Thanks Nikita2Charles and LucyRich for your support and advise. I totally agree with both of you and believe telling them and bringing everything out will be a good choice.

You are right there isnt much to loose, the worst that can happen is that I'll have to wait for another 2 yrs.

I guess I can stop worrying abt this issue for now and should start posting on other forums where there is advise for dads who are denied of the kids by their evil spouses :-)

Thanks guys, this forum is really helpful to a lot of people. keep up the good work.

Yankee

Thanks guys for your input. So, I guess I don’t need to withdraw my N-400.

Another question, she has filed for "Court Ordered - Protection", I believe same as restraining order against me which I'll contest when the hearing for that happens. But, does her filing jeopardize my legal and lawful image for the interview? Do I need to take any deposition from County clerk for my interview?

Say if I follow the “don’t tell unless asked” policy, and I do get my citizenship, can my wife (or may be ex at that time) alert the authorities and have them revert my status on the grounds that at the time of interview and oath our marriage was in terminal state.

This is a really tough time for me. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.

Yankee

Hi,

Long story short, got married in 04..... was legal before that F1 - Student visa. Marriage was in good faith.... had a beautiful child from it. Got my 2 yr green card in 11/05.... filed for removal of condition in 07..... got 10 yr green card in 08.....During all this time marriage starts to get shaky and USC wife start abusing and gets her first big job and starts earning significant money for the first time and no more dependent on her foreign husband anymore.

Anyways filed for N-400 in 08/08.... Had biometrics done 9/08.... Marriage still bad and wife talking abt moving out.

Latest status, 10/08 -- Wife moved out to an apartment, took our child with her and has protection order against me. So, I cant contact her or my child till the court hearing is done next month.

Now question to you guys: What should I do? Dont know when I'll get the USC interview and test? Dont know what will be the status of our marriage by then. In case I am not legally divorced by the time of interview and oath, will I still be ok? If we are legally separated by then how should I proceed?

What are my options here?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Yankee