mbmw

Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other," (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the US Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States.

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) neither defines dual citizenship nor takes a position for it or against it. There has been no prohibition against dual citizenship, but some provisions of the INA and earlier U.S. nationality laws were designed to reduce situations in which dual citizenship exists. Although naturalizing citizens are required to undertake an oath renouncing previous allegiances, the oath has never been enforced to require the actual termination of original citizenship.[23]

Although the U.S. Government does not endorse dual citizenship as a matter of policy, it recognizes the existence of dual citizenship and completely tolerates the maintenance of multiple citizenship by U.S. citizens. In the past, claims of other countries on dual-national U.S. citizens sometimes placed them in situations where their obligations to one country were in conflict with the laws of the other. However, as fewer countries require military service and most base other obligations, such as the payment of taxes, on residence and not citizenship, these conflicts have become less frequent. As a result, there has been a dramatic increase in recent years in the number of people who maintain U.S. citizenship in other countries.

One circumstance where dual citizenship may run counter to expectations of government agencies is in matters of security clearance. Any person granted a Yankee White vetting must be absolutely free of foreign influence, and for other security clearances one of the grounds that may result in a rejected application is an actual or potential conflict of national allegiances.

Ok Finally got Approved, I went to my interview on March 26th, was asked to send more evidence that we were living togheter, I sent it evidence, and I received my Oath letter. 06/25/2010.

End of the Journey.

Yes it's pretty common it happened to me too, I had touches on my AOS and I751 and some other members reported the same thing as well. I guess it's normal that they have to look your old files.

Ok Cool, I just wish this journey was over, It's dragging along like every other experience i had with USCIS.

Difficult to state if the N-400 application or processing has anything to do with the I-751 processing as done at different locations. If you haven't received your ten year card yet, it has to be well long overdue. After we sent in our N-400 application, it occurred to me afterwards by gathering the latest evidence, that our evidence for the I-751 was well over a year old. So I sent that additional evidence to the I-751 office as well. Didn't make much difference, finally called my senators office to learn our application was misplaced that was the key reason it never was processed waiting until the last moment.

Been preaching on this board is you never can send enough evidence while some disagree with that saying just to send the very minimum if any at all. You will learn with a shortage of evidence, you will be returning back to the end of the line and you still had to submit that evidence anyway. Better to do that ahead of time. Those lines get pretty long at times.

I agree, I received my 10 year green card a long time ago, more than a year and half. Went to interview, he was nice, and even told me at the end to NOT send in too many documents, he said just send in a couple of things. And I sent it more than a couple of things, it's funny that the only thing that ended up happening is me getting a touch on an application that was approved 2 years ago. Still nothing on the N-400.

Yes - it is quite normal. Touches have occurred on previous cases in the different stages of this long journey. Since all applications are tied in one A# it is possible that when they receive something, they update previous cases while arranging the new application or evidence.

Nothing to worry about!

Thank you Much.

Cool Cool, makes sense, But I've already been to the Citizenship interview, and it didn't happend prior to me going to the interview.

Hi,

How have you all been?

Well I went to my N-400 Citizenship interview back in March, I passed the test easly, I wasn't approved on the spot because the officer told me i had to send more evidence that I live with my wife, so this is based on 3yr permanent resident married to a USC.

Fine, I sent in more evidence in April, and on May 1st I recieved a touch on my Removal of conditions application that was approved 2 years back?

Is that Normal? Has it happened to anyone here in the past?

Thanks

Congrats, No more USCIS for you. and that's a good thing.

Could wait another nine months.

That is True. But my interview is tomorrow. So I'm going.

If you been married for six years AND held a LPR card for five of those years, you won't need all that other stuff, actually just having a LPR for five years is all you need. My step daughter will be applying soon and doesn't have anything except for the clothes on her back. I don't anticipate any problems for her because she is applying for the five year.

Just feel the USCIS goes nuts on this three year thing, we just went through all that for the I-751 and wife would have never received her LPR card in the first place if we weren't legally married and I wasn't a proven USC.

True True, I've been married for 6yrs, but only had my Green card for 4 years.

You want proof, I've got proof, did bring our state taxes along, but IO didn't want to see them, but did want to see that utility bill. Only one, from our local electrical company. Natural gas, telephone, and cable company are all distant with an 800 number that leads you from answering machine to answering machine, when you finally get to talk to a human, they don't want to make those changes and state, not enough room in the computer field to do that.

Could take the USCIS to federal court as that utility bill is not specified, just some dingbat IO you may get stuck with, or maybe just the field office.

But just want to get it over with. Didn't even make a copy of it, maybe just all BS, but did cause major delays with friends.

Can also ask why some field offices have same day oaths and most others don't. Wife had to read the oath and sign it in front of her IO, the ceremony was just for show and with a large group of people, could get by with lip service. Just another long trip and another vacation day used up.

You know something, my wife and I live with my brother who owns the lease, bills etc.. and since my interview letter doesn't mention anything about Bills, lease, Etc.. I'm only taking my Tax Returns, marriage/Birth Certs, GC, and passport and going. If they ask me for the rest, well sorry I don't have it. I've been married for 6 years and already went through all the other steps, if they don't like it. too bad!!

Zaghrtou a l3ayalaat.

@mbmw

LOL- I was actually thinking that, too... would be nice for you if they could squeeze you into that ceremony

For me, they apparently had me wait until I hit the 5 months mark that is currently stated as the average processing time.

Well- soon it will be "good riddance, USCIS"!

Take care,

Rebecca

You can not even start to imagine how much I want to say Good riddance USCIS. It's not called a journey for nothing.

Congrats.

@mbmw

Hi, I thought I'd just give you an update on my Manchester NH timeline... I got my oath scheduled for Monday, March 29... so much for my theory that ceremonies take place on the 3rd Friday of each month .

Wishing you the best for your interview!

Rebecca

Haha, Thank you so much Rebecca.

Does that mean that we'll be in the same ceremony seeing that my interview is on the 26th, the friday before that? or I will have to wait another month or two? If you look at the timeline, ?I was scheduled pretty quickly, quicker than other people. I hope that's the case!

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Can you please Elaborate more as to why the Decesion could not be made?

Was your application based on 3yrs marriage to USC? was it based on 5 years?

What evidence did they ask you to present?

What evidence did you take with you?

Thanks

Hi,

I will only repeat what some other people have said, You cannot apply for Citizenship now as you would need to have your Green Card for 3yrs, not marriage, and even if you did have your GC for 3 yrs, the citizenship application will be held until a decesion is made about your removal of conditions.

The most important thing to remember is that you cannot control anything about the rest of the stuff, all you can do is wait and see. I went through this process a couple of years back, and i know people who are going through it now, and it seems like they have gotten much harder on people.

Back in my time, it took them over a year to respond, but they approved me, and most people who got called in for interviews were chosen by random.

Just remember this. Don't do wrong = don't worry.

Best of luck

On this point "I wish I can afford a lawyer but for 4 years this FORUM has been my salvation. :-) Thank you to everybody because I

have come this far with all I read from here. "

I could not agree more, I did not use a lawyer, I got all my info and support through this Forum, it's awesome.

The rfe is most likely your Fingerprint letter.

Hello mbmw,

wow, your friend was really lucky

But then I guess all of us "New Hampshirerites" lucked out- never heard anything negative about the Manchester field office. My own interview went great and the officer went out of his way to make me feel comfortable.

Good luck on your journey!

Rebecca.

Yeah I know, I've been to my AOS interview and it was nice. Plus there aren't as many People in the Manchester office waiting for their oath ceremony as in Boston for example where people have to wait up to a year for the Oath.

Hello,

As you quote some New Hampshire guidelines I might just give my input as well.

I applied in early November and I had my interview at the Manchester NH offce on January 13- at this point hoping that my oath date would be right around the corner. However, they seem to stick to their corridor of "90-120 days" to notify the future citizens of the oath date.

As far as I know, Concord NH holds oath ceremonies on every 3rd Friday of a month.

I am still waiting for my oath letter to arrive- now expecting to be scheduled for April or May- thus completing the 5 months national average for processing applications.

Good luck

Rebecca.

Thank you so much for this info.

I have a friend who actually went to the Manchester office on the third Friday of the month and had his Oath the Same day, It depends on how many seats they have filled at the court room I think.

But mine is also on the the last Friday of the month, so I'm crossing my fingers and waiting, I'm exited enough just for the interview, but having the oath the same day is ever more exctiting.

Thanks again.

So My interview is on the 26th of March, which is the last Friday of the month. Does that mean that I have a higher chance of the oath ceremony being the same day? Is there a way to tell?

Thanks

I also found this per the New Hampshire Court where the proceedings happen: I wonder if i call the court and see if they have one scheduled.

CEREMONIES

Naturalization ceremonies are held at the Warren Rudman U.S. Courthouse located at 55 Pleasant Street, Concord, New Hampshire. These ceremonies are scheduled at the request of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Citizenship and Immigration Services ("CIS") approximately once a month during the months of January through July and September through December.

The U.S. District Court is responsible only for the court proceeding. Any inquiries about the naturalization process should be directed to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS).

08:30 AM.

So My interview is on the 26th of March, which is the last Friday of the month. Does that mean that I have a higher chance of the oath ceremony being the same day? Is there a way to tell?

Thanks

Thanks a Lot, I think I know what sibling means. HAhaha, Or not.

Wow 5 to 10 years, does that apply for parents as well? I guess they are siblings as well.