Vikki_Phil

I got the same half sheet of white paper with bold letters telling me to go to Room 1206, its the Fraud Prevention Unit or FPU. Id been interviewed like a murder suspect, hate how they do it just because I filed my ex husband Presumptive Death because I haven't seen him for over 10 years now! Glad I'm fond of watching movies I don't freak during the iintrrogation (lol!) just told myself that as long as they don't pour me a pail of water and electrocute, I will keep my calm.

We have waited 18 months since we first met, went through court proceedings so that I can face the embassy with legal papers, yet they still question the court order, duh! It's been past 1 month since my interrogation and honestly, I don't dare follow up, I'm scared so I let my fiance do it. So far he is contacting somebody from their govt. for help and I am praying that they will be able to. I am really discouraged so I am hoping to see results here with members having the same case as mine ...with presumptive death to ex...were they given visa or eventually denied ?

Now I am still waiting for the good news. I already mailed them the documents they asked but I admit I'm already discouraged. I am still employed here and it somehow help me divert my thoughts and yearning for my fiance, I in fact already started convincing him to live here in the Philippines instead, sure he wont be interviewed the way his embassy did me.

Hi Vikki and Phil.. seems you two have some issues,maybe getting a good lawyer will help solve your worries.. just don't give up and everything will work out in the end. good luck with your journey..

Hi! Yes we have some things to work out. Yes It is definatly for love. I have have promiseed Jesus I would love her like he said we should love our wife. He said to love her like Jesus loved the church. He forgave the church for all her wrong doing and even died on a cross for her. I truly love her and I know she loves me. God bless you on your lifes journey and please keep us in your prayers. Phil

Well people seems that this will be my last post. There are too many people in here that dont seem to have an ounce of compassion. I personally have a lot of respect for my Vikki for telling me at all. She could have let it go and tried to get it past the embassy. She did not do that. You guys did not see how she looked when she told me. She was in agony. Yes she could have told me sooner, but, she didn't and I forgive her totally. Sometimes when a person does not tell something at first it gets harder and harder to say it at all. She had the courage to tell me even though it was later. There are some people on this site that are very kind and I appreciate you. There are some that I feel if you cant give some encouragement or help in a subject you should keep quiet. I have read other peoples posts and some of the replies given and felt the same way about some of the response's given to them. Well I hope everyones journey goes well and you dont run into a problem that you have to ask for help. If you do I pray that you will only get the kind hearted people respoding instead of some trying to kick you when you are down. God Bless and thanks again to those who responded in a kind way with your helpful information

Thank you very much for the very kind words, very inspiring and SURE DOES HELP US.........think this is what visajourney is all about. HELP!

Hello everyone, this is Vikki..think it's time for me to say my piece to clear things up and not leave all the pain to my beloved Phil........I was using my name vikki since I was a kid until I finished college and working...in short all my documents for over 40 years is named vikki. I first discovered I was not registered in our local civil registry since 1988 but didn't find the need to do the late registration.......life goes on for me without it. I was in my late 20's when I planned to get a passport and have to check for my BC again.....and since the lady registrar cannot find my Vikki in thier record book she really took time looking for it from my parents name and bingo...my parents registered a kid with my birthday/details..etc under another name. And that was it we just laugh it out knowing that for almost 30 years I am not vikki afterall, BUT, they had me baptized with it....what happened then was that the midwife who helped my mom registered me with a name that only she knew!

Comes another 3 years and I applied for a MC under civil wedding...the local civil registrar told me that I cannot use the name vikki because as far the Phil. statistics is concerned Vikki... doesn't exist..so that's it I was married with that strange name. The marriage barely lasted 6 months, he went to his provincial home and we never see each other again since then....that was exactly 10 years ago this year....we were separated before I even have the chance to change my civil status to Married....in between, I continue to use my Vikki in all transactions I made on legal documents afterall my GSIS, SSS and all other ID's were named as such...

2003 when I tried to apply for a passport again and as the law says I have to use my BC's name but when I go to our city NSO they give me a NEGATIVE CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH instead so I asked them if I can late register my Vikki now to straighten up my documents under one name.(.the freedom from the marriage under the other name only comes as a bonus, I dont have any thoughts of marrying again after what happened to the first ) the NSO verifier said if our local registry will agree then I can...and they did. So that year I was able to get a SECPA of the late registered BC, CENOMAR and a PASSPORT under Vikki so when I meet Phil I was considering myself free although the truth keeps haunting me for not telling him that part of my life.

The odd of it all, I already took SECPA from NSO MANILA twice in one year AND they give me two contrasting results, when I filed under Vikki they found me under the other name, the second time in a span of 3 days from the first I filed again under the other name and this time they give me Negative Certificate of Birth .......so I dont really believe they are that reliable....like the lady in our city's NSO said, 'just pray that the verifier who will handle your name is lazy enough to go over your file and that is by checking from mother's name or date of birth.

Well, for now I am waiting for the result of the the CENOMAR I asked from NSO Manila, the truth is it was registered here in our city's NSO, I'm just taking chances that they wont find it there or will get another contrasting result like my BCs.......but anyways I already talked to a lawyer, and I will be filing for Presumption of Death of husband (duh!). Just sad to note I just received my packet 4 yesterday and just stared at it knowing we will only cancel the schedule.....

To everybody..thank you for all the support..GOD BLESS US ALL!!!!!

Well friends, It looks like we will have to cancel the visa process for now. Thanks so much to everyone for all the helpful information. We have found out that the marraige was registered with NSO. We are stopping the process until we get the anullment. We came so close to the interview. The interview was scheduled for April 4th 2008. this is such a heartbreaker. Vikki could have been here by the middle of April. Now we have no idea when she will be here. I dont make a lot of money so I wont be able to go back and visit anytime soon. Has anybody had to do this?. Since we voluntarily withdrawing from the process, will this create a problem for us when we re file? I plan on telling them that we have to take care of some loose ends and also I am working on bringing my wages up to be able to stand on my wages alone without a co sponsor. Let me know what you think.

I think I am getting a better understanding now of the 2 birth cert's. Vikki has gone by the name on the the second Birth Cert. pretty much since birth. She nor her parents never saw the first BC until way later in Viki's life when she needed a copy for a passport. The name used on original BC was given from an aunt. Since her father did not know any different he gave her the name She has been using since she was born. When she got married in 1997 they said she had to use BC name. that marraige lasted 5 months and he walked out on her. she has not seen him since. In 2003 Vikki went to regitrars office to see about another passport. They told her they could not find where the BC with her original name was on file. Vikki asked if she could go ahead a register the name she had gone by since birth. The office said yes so that is how she ended up with late registration and 2 BC's. I asked Vikki to try and get a cert of no marraige on both names. She has one for the name she has used all her life. She is attempting to get one for the name on the first BC. She went to the voters registration to get the man she married mother maiden name. She also found the mans name listed as single. We are now waiting to see if she can get cenomar If so we are going to be OK. Praying that marraige was never register with NSO. Whew what a mess. Please keep us in your prayers that God will show favor to us in this situation.

the consulate in Manila will know if she's married due to "document verification" and for that she'll be more likely be denied on her interview.

Annulment process takes 6 months or more. Some paid over 50,000-200,000 pesos and took 2 years. I hope she can get a good lawyer once she started this process.

you can get infos here about the annulment in the Phil. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=111491[/b]

Pls read the link given by lirachadsbaby so you would at least have idea how much annulment cost in the philippines and how long the process will be.

I was talking with a person earlier today that used to work for the Philippines national government and she was saying it may not have gotten registered we will be checking this out. She says if it is not registered to go about the process as normal. I appreciate your posts. I need all the help I can get. I am thankful I have my God for help. And the ones he has respond with good info.

I also had a wedding 8years ago which was never registered (THANK GOD! we lived as common law partners for a couple of years, forced to have a wedding because of the coming of second baby but separated a month after the wedding.. been separated for 8years now) And I was told by the court I don't even need to get nullity of marriage since it was never registered in the first place. Same response I got from our local registrar here and I got CENOMAR (Certificate of No Marriage) from NSO (National Statistics Office) already as proof that I don't appear in their marriage indices.

Whether her marriage was registered or not is easy to verify. Just have her go to the nearest NSO and apply for CENOMAR so she could immediately check if she have record of being married or not and of course she will still need the CENOMAR for her interview(in Davao, CENOMAR is released a day after application, unlike before where applicants will have to wait 3weeks to get it... i just don't know in other areas). Also, have her try to get NSO copies of her two birth certificates to check and verify if the first birth certificate was not really registered as what she said. (In Davao, certified birth certificates are released after a few hours depending on the volume of application for the day, again I don't know how long it will take in other areas but usually she could get it the same day). Maybe it is best for her to try applying CENOMAR under the 2 different names on her 2 birth certificate just to be sure.

It doesn't matter if her original birth certificate is in manila or if she got married in manila and then lives in other part of the Philippines. Copies of all our birth certificates, marriage certificate, death certificates here in the Philippines are endorsed to the NSO by local registrars so basically, we have a central database here. NSO is where US embassy will go for "document verification" of our birth certificates & whatever NSO documents.

If it turns out she is listed in the Philippine marriage indices under one of those two names (be it the original or the one she used for her passports & etc.)... the next best thing to do would be to consult a good lawyer... but even then, she would still need to sort out the confusion of her two birth certificates... especially if she used the original birth certificate in all her records from birth to 20years.

I hope you guys will be able to sort this out soonest. I wish you all the luck.

Thank you very much for the Response. Lots of good information here. Vikki Texted me this morning to say she had gone to check on cenomar but had to get more info on THE OTHER GUY . LOL She said his name is listed as single. I am praying that this is a good sign for us.

I want to say thanks to everyone for your response's. PLease keep us in your prayers for Gods favor in this matter. I saw my Vikki's face this morning as she told me the situation. I know that her heart is broken and she is beating herself up for not telling me sooner. I have been in siuations where I should have spoken sooner in a situation and once you let it go it gets harder to say anything. I am proud of her for getting the strength to tell me at all. Some may think i am niave. I say I am in love and blessed to have her in my life. Thanks again to everyone. God Bless you all in your journey's

This will be caught when you go to interview. Its why they now do the document verification. Women there will get a new name, birth certificate and passport to circumvent having to get an anullment. It is widespread enough they now verify every document to make sure its not forged and its really registered with the NSO. They will check her and if they find she is fraudulent they can deny her and put a flag that she is trying to get a visa fraudulently. That carries a ban with it. Be very careful here.

Your I-129 F is not valid and you cant put it on hold.You both were not free to marry when you filed so its not any good period. You will have to start it again after her anullment. Secondly the G-325A has information on it that is fraudulent now since she was not truthful on hers. You send in the I 129F under penalty of perjury that the information is true and correct. They will not take this omission lightly or that she has 2 birth certificates and has a prior marriage.

Thirdly why did she wait all this time to tell you when clearly this needed to be dealt with before you filed. That would be a MAJOR red flag on her.

You have a mess on your hands and its not going to clean up easily. My advice is to cancel the K1 before its process in manila and verified. Get her anullment and then reapply, possible with a K3 since you will have IMBRA to deal with filing 2 petitions within 2 years.

What you have here is serious and you need to stop the K1 before it gets worse.

Get her anullment, then reapply.

Anullments there cost and take time. Good luck...

Thanks for the info. It does look like I will have to stop the K-1. Such a heart breaker to think we are so close and to have to start at square one. But I am not giving up on her.

Find out first whether she's actually legally married.

Thank you That will definatly be first thing on our agenda.

This will be caught when you go to interview. Its why they now do the document verification. Women there will get a new name, birth certificate and passport to circumvent having to get an anullment. It is widespread enough they now verify every document to make sure its not forged and its really registered with the NSO. They will check her and if they find she is fraudulent they can deny her and put a flag that she is trying to get a visa fraudulently. That carries a ban with it. Be very careful here.

Your I-129 F is not valid and you cant put it on hold.You both were not free to marry when you filed so its not any good period. You will have to start it again after her anullment. Secondly the G-325A has information on it that is fraudulent now since she was not truthful on hers. You send in the I 129F under penalty of perjury that the information is true and correct. They will not take this omission lightly or that she has 2 birth certificates and has a prior marriage.

Thirdly why did she wait all this time to tell you when clearly this needed to be dealt with before you filed. That would be a MAJOR red flag on her.

You have a mess on your hands and its not going to clean up easily. My advice is to cancel the K1 before its process in manila and verified. Get her anullment and then reapply, possible with a K3 since you will have IMBRA to deal with filing 2 petitions within 2 years.

What you have here is serious and you need to stop the K1 before it gets worse.

Get her anullment, then reapply.

Anullments there cost and take time. Good luck...

Thanks for the info. It does look like I will have to stop the K-1. Such a heart breaker to think we are so close and to have to start at square one. But I am not giving up on her.

Our 129f has been approved and we are waiting for notice from Manila now. I was talking with my fiance this morning and she confessed to me that she had been married over 10 years ago. She was only with him for 5 months. She had never told me before. That is not my problem. She loves me enough to tell me now. I love her and forgive her for not telling me. My problem is that the G-325a is wrong now because she did not list any former husband. of course she does not have a former husband because it was never anulled. The second problem is she also has 2 birth certificates. I dont think I can explain this completly but will try to explain. She says that when she was born an aunt told the midwife to give her her name. Well this is where I get confused. She has a birth certificate with a different name that she has used since she was in her 20's(she is 43 now). She has a passport and other papers in this second name. The original BC is not listed in her registrar but she thinks it is in Manila. She used the original BC from time of birth to get married. We havent checked yet to see if it ever got registered, but she thinks it was in Manila. Can she still get an anullment and us use the same papers? Should i try to use info pass to try and change the info? Will we have to re file? can we put a hold on the embassy? Will this block her from ever entering the US because the paper work is wrong even if we try to correct it? I love her so much and I know she loves me. Her past is exactly that, the past. We are wanting to go forward with our future. My heart is absolutly breaking over this. I am even considering moving to the phils to be with her, but My mother is getting up in years and I have a 26 year old daughter with a 3 year old grandson. I am so torn trying to figure out what to do. PLease please give any info you can.

Does the information on the G-325a match the first or second birth certificate?

Be advised that getting a new name, birth cert, and passport is sometimes used by women in the Philippines to avoid having to getting an annulment.

I forgot to tell you the name match's the second BC. That is the one she has gone by for a long time now

Our 129f has been approved and we are waiting for notice from Manila now. I was talking with my fiance this morning and she confessed to me that she had been married over 10 years ago. She was only with him for 5 months. She had never told me before. That is not my problem. She loves me enough to tell me now. I love her and forgive her for not telling me. My problem is that the G-325a is wrong now because she did not list any former husband. of course she does not have a former husband because it was never anulled. The second problem is she also has 2 birth certificates. I dont think I can explain this completly but will try to explain. She says that when she was born an aunt told the midwife to give her her name. Well this is where I get confused. She has a birth certificate with a different name that she has used since she was in her 20's(she is 43 now). She has a passport and other papers in this second name. The original BC is not listed in her registrar but she thinks it is in Manila. She used the original BC from time of birth to get married. We havent checked yet to see if it ever got registered, but she thinks it was in Manila. Can she still get an anullment and us use the same papers? Should i try to use info pass to try and change the info? Will we have to re file? can we put a hold on the embassy? Will this block her from ever entering the US because the paper work is wrong even if we try to correct it? I love her so much and I know she loves me. Her past is exactly that, the past. We are wanting to go forward with our future. My heart is absolutly breaking over this. I am even considering moving to the phils to be with her, but My mother is getting up in years and I have a 26 year old daughter with a 3 year old grandson. I am so torn trying to figure out what to do. PLease please give any info you can.

Does the information on the G-325a match the first or second birth certificate?

Be advised that getting a new name, birth cert, and passport is sometimes used by women in the Philippines to avoid having to getting an annulment.

I was not aware of that. Wether that was the case or not She has told me the truth and speaks a lot to me. I know she loves me and I truly love her. I guess I will just have to work some overtime to pay for the anullment. I won't give up on my baby. Thanks for the information. She said she had just given up on marraige and did not see the need for the anullment. Then we met and things progressed to where we are now and she came clean.

let me understand this, your wife is married?

Someone help me out here but I think she's ineligible for a fiance visa.

Not his wife, she is his fiancee, and yes from what I read she was married, and is now separated, but prior marriage has not been annulled.

The rule for I-129F filing is that both parties are free to marry before filing the petition, the consulate probbably will deny this one flat out on the grounds of misrepresentation.

Thank you this the kind of info I need. Can the petition be put on hold and do you know how long an anullment take if it is un contested. I love her with all my heart and will do what it takes to do it right in Gods eyes

I would withdraw the I-129F petition, and either marry her in PI after she gets the annulment and file for a CR-1 spousal visa, or re-file a new I-129F for K-1 after annulment.

would it still be better to do the I-129f since it seems to take less time to bring a fiance here than a wife?

let me understand this, your wife is married?

Someone help me out here but I think she's ineligible for a fiance visa.

Not his wife, she is his fiancee, and yes from what I read she was married, and is now separated, but prior marriage has not been annulled.

The rule for I-129F filing is that both parties are free to marry before filing the petition, the consulate probbably will deny this one flat out on the grounds of misrepresentation.

Thank you this the kind of info I need. Can the petition be put on hold and do you know how long an anullment take if it is un contested. I love her with all my heart and will do what it takes to do it right in Gods eyes

the consulate in Manila will know if she's married due to "document verification" and for that she'll be more likely be denied on her interview.

Annulment process takes 6 months or more. Some paid over 70,000-200,000 pesos and took 2 years. I hope she can get a good lawyer once she started this process.

I was talking with a person earlier today that used to work for the Philippines national government and she was saying it may not have gotten registered we will be checking this out. She says if it is not registered to go about the process as normal. I appreciate your posts. I need all the help I can get. I am thankful I have my God for help. And the ones he has respond with good info.

let me understand this, your wife is married?

Someone help me out here but I think she's ineligible for a fiance visa.

We are not married yet. we are trying for a fiance visa. I am asking what to do. Not for funny remarks that are not so funny to me. I have seen alot of remarks on here that are not very nice. PLease just give me information I need it desperatly.

Just remarking on the facts as they were presented.

"she does not have a former husband because it was never anulled." Never Anulled implies that she is still married to her former husband.

An anulment after the I-129F was filed is the problem. In order to file for a fiancee visa the couple need to be free to marry Before the petition is filed.

OK I undersatnd what you are saying. I was talking with a person earlier that suggested i try info pass to get an appointment to see if I can change the information. Do you think that is a possibility?

let me understand this, your wife is married?

Someone help me out here but I think she's ineligible for a fiance visa.

Not his wife, she is his fiancee, and yes from what I read she was married, and is now separated, but prior marriage has not been annulled.

The rule for I-129F filing is that both parties are free to marry before filing the petition, the consulate probbably will deny this one flat out on the grounds of misrepresentation.

Thank you this the kind of info I need. Can the petition be put on hold and do you know how long an anullment take if it is un contested. I love her with all my heart and will do what it takes to do it right in Gods eyes

let me understand this, your wife is married?

Someone help me out here but I think she's ineligible for a fiance visa.

We are not married yet. we are trying for a fiance visa. I am asking what to do. Not for funny remarks that are not so funny to me. I have seen alot of remarks on here that are not very nice. PLease just give me information I need it desperatly.

Our 129f has been approved and we are waiting for notice from Manila now. I was talking with my fiance this morning and she confessed to me that she had been married over 10 years ago. She was only with him for 5 months. She had never told me before. That is not my problem. She loves me enough to tell me now. I love her and forgive her for not telling me. My problem is that the G-325a is wrong now because she did not list any former husband. of course she does not have a former husband because it was never anulled. The second problem is she also has 2 birth certificates. I dont think I can explain this completly but will try to explain. She says that when she was born an aunt told the midwife to give her her name. Well this is where I get confused. She has a birth certificate with a different name that she has used since she was in her 20's(she is 43 now). She has a passport and other papers in this second name. The original BC is not listed in her registrar but she thinks it is in Manila. She used the original BC from time of birth to get married. We havent checked yet to see if it ever got registered, but she thinks it was in Manila. Can she still get an anullment and us use the same papers? Should i try to use info pass to try and change the info? Will we have to re file? can we put a hold on the embassy? Will this block her from ever entering the US because the paper work is wrong even if we try to correct it? I love her so much and I know she loves me. Her past is exactly that, the past. We are wanting to go forward with our future. My heart is absolutly breaking over this. I am even considering moving to the phils to be with her, but My mother is getting up in years and I have a 26 year old daughter with a 3 year old grandson. I am so torn trying to figure out what to do. PLease please give any info you can.

I also forgot mention. One of my jobs is private pay homecare. Should I get all three of my clients to sign a paper stating I have been rendering services for the past 13+ years and that they intend to continue using my services and how much they pay monthly? Or will my tax papers be good enough.

Were can I list a second job on the I-34. This is the only part of the process that makes me nervous. I was laid off from my best paying job out of the two and was with out the additional income for most of the year. I have a new job now, but it is alot less pay and I will definatly need the second income. I am afraid Manila will hold off just long enough so I will have to include 2007 tax returns. 2006 show's almost $30,000, This years would look real bad. This month's check stubs dont look all that great b, because the weather has been bad and The busse's I driver were canceled. What are the chances of them approving us with the letter from my new employer that I have only been with since November of 2007.

No advantage, in fact it may be a problem, if for example you stretch out using the K-visa and enter just before it expires, and then take up to 90 days to marry. You nay then end up filing to adjust status more than a year after getting visa medical, and then will have to do another medical in the USA to adjust status.

Thanks for the reply. I could not figure why it would help. But I needed to know for sure. I want to do anything possible to make the process goe's smooth. God Bless you!

What is the advantage of getting an early medical.

What do you think are the chances of approval of finances with a letter from my employer stating my current wage and my future with them? The wage I will be making will put me just above the 125%, but, I also take care of 3 homecare patients, which I claim on income tax, that will add another 7,000 over. I have been taking care of these patients for about 13 years, so, it is not a temporary thing.. Also like I said before my 04/05/06 tax returns show well above the 125%.

Only liquid assets that you can get your hands on easily will they consider for assets, equity in home is not a liquid asset.

Past year is what they look at for IRS data so if interview falls before the 2007 IRS filing deadline you may be able to get by using 2006 return, if not, you will need to provide proof of current income, like pay stubs, and employer letter.

Also assets can be used to make up a shortfall in income from the povertyline. Assets are worth only 1/3 income, so if income falls 1000 below 124% povertyline then 3000 in assets need to be shown.

It is a ####### shoot if Manila will accept an I-134 from a "Co-sponsor"

Thanks for you response.

As far as the tax papers, that is what I am hoping for. I made, probably, $10,000 over poverty in 2006. I don't think I will be able to come up with enough proof to go it on my own. It is looking like I will probably need a co-sponsor. Just my luck I get laid off right at the time I find the one I have been searching for all my life .