Amarach

The Affidavit Guide also has this:

The foreign fiance's income can NOT be counted on either affidavit (except when the foreign fiance has been

living with the fiance, married, and in the US for six months), however the foreign fiance's assets CAN be used if

they are readily convertible into cash. The USCIS is concerned ONLY about the US fiance's income/assets. ---------

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He has enough cash to make the difference for 5 years, especially with my assets. He is going to call the embassy once he gets his packet and knows for "sure" which embassy/consulate we are assigned to and will ask if they can provide any information on this. In the mean time I'm still sending what I have so far.

I guess poor people can't fall in love with aliens!!! My friend in love with the martian will be so sad.

That is wonderful!! Wishing you both the best!

My dad and step-dad are retired and living off of Social Security. My mom is deceased and my uncle has 2 kids, a wife, and has an unstable job situation.

I have no one else I can ask. Until I read a few threads here I thought making poverty guidelines was enough, it is only recently I found the 125% rule.

He can't sponsor himself when it comes to his family and savings?

Feeling flumoxed.

I have gotten everything I need for the Affidavit of Support. But my job doesn't get me above the poverty level since I guess it doesn't go state by state. OK is a cheap place to live.

According to this site: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1327.html

Family of:-----Poverty Guideline-------125%

----3-----------------$17,170----------$21,463

I make around 14k a year, I have 30,000 in assets (including a paid off titled car at blue book value), I have 3k in the bank and 5k in a ROTH account.

My fiance also has savings- will that count?

Are we ok or do I need to scramble for a co-sponsor?

NO it is not enough and you better get a co sponsor that has W2 income statement to submit copy of for proof, otherwise you will get rejected, they look at this very closely. And they will look to make sure you meet those poverty guidelines whether you have assets or not, they are more interested in cash flow or proof of monthly wages or yearly wages that are most recent within the month of applying or year.

The OP won't let me edit it. Is this true even if I make 17.5k a year?

We couldn't afford to fly back and forth. I haven't seen him since January

Adriane

Ack, 17k not 14. Almost 18.

It won't let me edit again

The family of 3 is: Me, my fiance and my 5 yo daughter. I selected partially dependant on the form and her father helps with most of her bills.

I have gotten everything I need for the Affidavit of Support. But my job doesn't get me above the poverty level since I guess it doesn't go state by state. OK is a cheap place to live.

According to this site: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1327.html

Family of:-----Poverty Guideline-------125%

----3-----------------$17,170----------$21,463

I make around 14k a year, I have 30,000 in assets (including a paid off titled car at blue book value), I have 3k in the bank and 5k in a ROTH account.

My fiance also has savings- will that count?

Are we ok or do I need to scramble for a co-sponsor?

Tom made me believe again. And I make him grin ear to ear.

As others have said, it isn't the reason I'd want to get married but since it would happen anyway no regrets

We got an RFE, which no-one looks forward to that but it wasn't as awful as I thought it would be. We got our approval 2 weeks later and are working on the next step now.

Like you we plan to do a civil ceremony so he can work and start the AOS process as soon as possible.

Good luck

Adriane

Well, I had to have my fiance translate but hello!! We have been apart for 10 months now and just got our NOA2 Approved. One more hurdle down I miss him so much.

I hope everything goes well for you and your soldier. Don't Military get some expediting?

Good luck with the evidence. Red Tape is hard on us. The bad apples ruin it for everyone else.

Adriane & Tom the Translater

The CSC is in Laguna Niguel, CA.

Wow, I hope the fire never gets there. How scary for everyone involved We JUST got our NOA2 from there so I guess we should be grateful for that at least. Feel horrid about all those fires. To think some people may have done it on purpose.

This is what we sent:

Copy of Brazilian visas from passport

Copy of stamped entries into Brazil

Copy of teaching certificate from Brazil

Copy of both sides of Brazilian residency card with translation

Copy of Flight Coupons and the itinerary from last trip

Receipt from hotel and business card with translation

Pictures (6) from 2004 until the present

* I don't think the lease is a problem since he did NOT overstay his visa...

I appreciate it. Mostly though I'm worried about the circumstance of meeting- all the advice for the evidence of meeting in the preceding two years has been more than wonderful though and we are very grateful for it

Adriane

The dated photo I have from Mandalay Bay, is a color photo copy good enough or should I send the original? I figure we don't get them back and it is my only copy- so thought I would ask. I'll give it up for a good cause though.

Adriane

Just a quick query - you mentioned that your (Belgian) fiance visited between July 2006 and January 2007 - did he travel under the Visa Waiver Program? If so I would have thought that he would only have been eligible to remain in the US for 90 days. Or did he use some other type of visa?

He came on a tourist visa and left before it ran out. He showed both incoming and outgoing tickets at POE (LAX) and was admitted. We travelled around some before heading to Oklahoma where he leased an apt with me. The lease ended and the apartment is now in my name only. He flew out the first week of January before his Visa ran out.

I know the Amex doesn't prove he was here, but it is good back up evidence for some of the photos showing him in places (For example the date on the amex bill matches up with our stay at Circus Circus in Vegas and going to Mandalay Bay Shark Reef)

Adriane

An outline like many of the signatures on this site?

Met: June 2005 in Vicenza, Italy

Became friends and penpals. Played games on line together with other friends.

Second meeting: July & August 2005 in Belgium

Explored Belgium with 4 other friends.

Returned back to Italy and continued talking.

End of August 2005: Discuss possibly meeting on our own and dating.

Sept 2005: Fly to Belgium and meet for third time? Started Dating.

How far should I keep going? Also at this point I was married to my best friend. We had a child together and divorcing would have sent me and my daughter back stateside. So we lived as room mates and I slept in my daughters room. My daughter's father and my fiance are friends and everyone gets along. I did not get divorced until we moved back stateside. But how well they see this

Tom and I included everything but the recently found Boarding Passes in our original petition but I didn't get into details about our original courtship. So I've added the plane boarding passes, a phone bill, and a Visitor's pass from when Tom visited us in Italy in May, 2006 and about ten more photos.

Adriane

Still too wordy. See my changes above. They want to know you met in the last 2 years. Send pics, boarding passes,etc. If you're worried about the lease, don't send it. Pics of your daughter is not about you & him meeting, at all. It could be any girl.

And don;t mention the hubby, sounds confusing & weird.

I got a copy of the lease showing his signature and mine already. He wants me to include it, I'm still iffy- but it does help with primary evidence doesn't it?

Still working on the time line. I will go ahead and work on the packet one more day before mailing it (I was planning on doing so today)

Another friend suggested I have my bosses letter notarized- would this be overkill or a good idea? I'm not sure she has the time to go and get that done but I could ask if people have any experience in that area and believe it would be usefull.

I just miss him so damn much and want him back here.

Will check back here later on, since I have the evening shift today I will have sometime to get it more organized.

Right now I have:

Letter of Meeting with a photo of our original meeting.

Plane tickets, itineraries & some boarding passes (what I could find)

Signed letter from my boss that she has met him and seen us together.

Dated photo from the Shark Reef at Mandalay bay (the kind you buy) with us and friends in July 2006.

Our lease we signed in both names from July to December 2006.

Photos of us at different times.

Cingular bill with both names and us calling eachother back and forth in my city.

His Amex bill showing him purchasing things around Oklahoma.

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Adriane

:thumbs: :thumbs: Congratulation :thumbs: :thumbs:

Good luck for monday i've read the review and it seem that Brussel is a very nice place to be interview, Hope to be there soon too.

Can help you a lot about AOS just wanted to congrats you for beeing at the end of the most difficult part of this procedure.

thank you very much for the replies ... Tomorrow is the big day, I sure will let you know what kind of questions they ask

thanks again

Patrick

Looking forward to hearing how it went!

Adriane

Make sure the basics get covered very clearly. There is no substitute for actual clear primary evidence of meeting. Words don't substitute for evidence.

Absolutely connect the dots for them. Make it like girl's skirt. Short enough to make it interesting but long enough to cover the subject.

An outline like many of the signatures on this site?

Met: June 2005

Location: Vicenza, Italy

Became friends and penpals. Played games on line together with other friends.

Second meeting: Belgium July & August 2005

Explored Belgium with 4 other friends.

Returned back to Italy and continued talking.

End of August 2005: Discuss possibly meeting on our own and dating.

Sept 2005: Fly to Belgium and meet for third time? Started Dating.

How far should I keep going? Also at this point I was married to my best friend. We had a child together and divorcing would have sent me and my daughter back stateside. So we lived as room mates and I slept in my daughters room. My daughter's father and my fiance are friends and everyone gets along. I did not get divorced until we moved back stateside. But how well they see this

Tom and I included everything but the recently found Boarding Passes in our original petition but I didn't get into details about our original courtship. So I've added the plane boarding passes, a phone bill, and a Visitor's pass from when Tom visited us in Italy in May, 2006 and about ten more photos.

Adriane

Thank you, Rebecca. I will do that.

Sincerely,

Adriane

PS: I brought up my daughter's age because people mentioned using Newspapers and new movies to show a sort of time line. Since it is to late for us to do that, the only time line I have in any photos is my daughter. When we first started dating she was 3, and the photos show her clearly getting older and older. Since they have her birth certificate that could in essence show that we've seen each other in the last year since she is at least 4 in her last photo with Tom and I. But as you have said that would probably be to much to hope for/ explain to our case worker in the packet.

Well, I remember a poster two years ago who sent proof but no explanation as to the meeting. She was RFE'd. So at first I thought this was what had happened to you.

She upped the ante on her evidence and sent a nice little letter giving specific dates (plus she added when they met online and stated she loved the dude) - approval followed.

Was your explanation on a separate piece of paper? If so, did you state on the petition itself something like 'see attachment'? Is it possible the petition package was not secured together properly and your attachment literally fell out of the file?

I don't follow what your daughter's birthdate has to do with this.

Let me advise you this - connect the dots for them. They don't have time to dig through files trying to figure out someone's birthdate compared to a visit.

Gather all the evidence you can and mount it securely to plain paper. Beside each piece of evidence, describe what it is and the date of the visit the evidence relates to. Make sure you clearly document you saw each other within the last two years. You aren't really trying to prove the bonafides or the longevity of the relationship - you don't have to do that at this stage of the process. You only need to prove you met in the last two years.

Some adjudicators like to know WHY you were motivated to meet, though. Briefly outline your relationship (be date specific) and add a modicum of mush.

I bet you'll turn out all right.

To me, your letter isn't clear. It's not clear as to when you saw each other last. The only date I see referenced is June 2005.

I would rewrite the letter giving more specific dates

Good point. I agree. You want the letter to clearly state all the times that you were together and where. If it is easier, provide the details in outline form. Confused people say no, so you want to try real hard not to confuse the adjudicator.

Thankyou all so much for taking the time to advise me. *FYI= I'm the her and he's the he *

When I got home from work (I posted at work *blush*) I tore through some files and found a few boarding passes for me and my daughter visiting him and some baggage claims.

I also found a Cingular bill showing him calling me and me calling him while he visited (I put him on my contract for the free calls). So I am now including the above and will rewrite the letter.

We had a lease together, but he came in on a Tourist visa and I am honestly afraid he could get in trouble for that? He came to visit and ended up doing the lease with me when we decided to see if we could put up with eachother

Now it has been 7 months apart and I am so scared of doing this wrong. They also have my daughter's birth certificate and photos show him with her and its obvious she's 4 (She turns 5 in October). If I point this out could it help some in addition to the boarding passes and Cingular bill and amex bill?

In regards to the Circumstances of Meeting... How specific should I get? Don't they just want how you met? As for when I last saw him, that was January 9th, 2006.

Adriane

OP, you are on the right track.

Did you explain how you met (and last when you were together) or just send evidence?

That's what I have in my original post.

I can't include boarding passes, we didn't know we had to keep them. We traveled around the European Union- they don't stamp pass ports doing that and when he came here he has a Belgian passport- it's electronic. No stamps.

We decided to file after he left last time and didn't realize we would need so much stuff.

I have tons of photos I am sending but no dates other than what I say. Would my daughter's age changing help? They have her birth certificate so they know her age...

This is my first post, and I really wish I had found this forum months and months ago.

It has been great reading the support and information you guys help each other with. My fiance is from Belgium and I am American. We met while overseas and applied in April for the K-1.

The other day I got the RFE in the mail which asked for further Evidence of us meeting...

I included: Plane tickets, Itineraries, dated photos, a letter from my boss that she had met him and seen us together, his Amex bills from visiting me here in the states, etc...

The Circumstance of Meeting is what has me worried. I'm not really sure how detailed to get and I would love advice... This is what I have so far (as well as a photo of our first meeting- well one taken that week). Last names and those of friends omitted for this posting.

Circumstance of Meeting

Tom ----------- (Beneficiary) was visiting Italy with two friends (J and M) when I (Adriane ---------, Petitioner) and my friends originally met them. This was in June, 2005.

They spent a few days exploring Italy with us before returning to Belgium and continuing on to Norway for their back packing trip. Afterwards we all played games online together and chatted for a few months when MW and I decided to go see Belgium for ourselves. After that trip ended Tom and I considered dating but put it off for a couple more months.

Starting in September 2005 we started traveling back and forth (some of the tickets are in this packet) and began our romantic relationship. After I moved back stateside in June 2006 he came to visit me one more time before we made the decision to apply for a fiancé visa. Now we are just hoping for the best!

The photo from below is from Tom’s original trip with friends to Italy.

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I would truly appreciate any advice though I plan to mail this out as soon as possible.

Sincere Regards,

Adriane