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On a side note I have never done drugs and I actually don't even drink so these accusations are interesting but unfounded. I have continued to treat everyone here with respect and can only hope the same. Also, I have yet to ask anyone to approve my relationship. Posting a question does not equal asking you to come move into my apartment. And some of you who think you are in the 1% unhelpful category -- you aren't. I will never prove to some of you that I am not a troll but would be curious to know if it's even possible to convince some of you although if I am a troll I think I should get applause for making such a convoluted story that has riled the emotions of so many. Thank you.

P.S. Yes my fiance knows I have a boyfriend...would have been hard to hide.

P.P.S. I STILL haven't lied to anyone except to my mom about the fact that I didn't melt her big red popcorn bowl in the microwave accidently when I was 10....I'm sorry momma, I'll tell her someday I swear.

Read the rules before you let your little fingers loose on the keyboard. I could interject my Catholic beliefs on this matter but then I'd be here all day...HOWEVER...the USCIS added moral character as a requirement for a reason. The reason the OP cant find archives on the subject is because its not allowed. Let her find a lawyer...unless that lawyer is willing to lose his or her license she's out of luck. If there were no standards then CIMT wouldnt exist. The difference here is that the OP continues her lifestyle. It IS up to the USCIS to investigate on how a couple chooses to live their lives..why else are we pouring every ounce of evidence into these petitions we send in? Google it...an immigration officer will ask whether the OP practices polygamy at the interview...should she leave the boyfriend out then? Oh...lie to an immigration officer? That goes against everything this board stands for.

As has been said before, polygamy is not the same as polyamory:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/polyamory

and

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=polygamy

Please don't interject your Catholic beliefs on this matter as they are irrelevant. The purpose of K-1 is to be with the person you love. People in a polygamous relationship are not allowed to get K-1. No conflicts here, because OP does want to bring her loved one here, and she isn't in a polygamous relationship.

As you seem to be in a tiny minority with your opinion on this topic, this (topic) doesn't go against everything this board stands for.

"Oh...lie to an immigration officer? That goes against everything this board stands for."

Lying to an immigration officer does go against what this board stands for (or thats the impression I got when I joined) and I could care less if Im the minority on this subject. Its never stopped me from voicing my opinion before. Tell ya what...its not whether you're all for group love or if the OP doesnt intend on marrying the US boyfriend...its all about what the adjudicator decides. Polyamory by definition itself does not come up in any law...however if mentioned, the adjudicator would absolutely assume polygamy was the intention. If you dont see that you're really blind. The majority of politically correct posters on this thread think its a good idea to "not mention" the third wheel in this triangle. Ok. Let the "boyfriend" continue claiming her on his taxes, sponsor the beneficiary, and they can all live as one big happy family. Gimme a break.

Unless you're an AO you have no reason to make such an absolute statement. It is merely your opinion. And if I may be so blunt, it is more than obvious that you don't understand the culture of a polyamorous relationship and therefore don't know that for the majority of them, "marriage" is not a goal. I daresay if there was a way for this situation to be resolved (i.e. a non-marriage visa) that would be the preferred solution. Of course, that's just my guess.

I also haven't seen anyone suggest they outright lie to an AO. I haven't seen anyone come back and confirm that they are a dependent on the taxes. So your post here is full of suppositions based on your own perceptions and bias.

Give the rest of us a break and maybe leave the judgment at the door. Of course, that's just my opinion. *shrug* To be taken or left.

"I think you should leave your boyfriend out of this as much as possible, and have your parents co-sponsor. The USCIS doesn't need to know about your boyfriend, and to save yourself from questions of a bona fide relationship its best not to complicate it by mentioning him. Its not illegal, but there is a cultural bias against it. Don't make it anymore complicated than you need to."

"I agree. Use one of your parents, and don't bring your boyfriend into the equation at all."

so - OP listens to the ####### advice and:

"Everyones replies have been very helpful so far. I was thinking about leaving my bf out of it and then I wondered how much they would want to know about my household situation i.e. who I live with, how I pay for my housing if I dont work, etc. "

Now what? You're going to tell me that evading certain specific questions isnt exactly lying? Oh wait - here's the OP saying she's a dependant on her boyfriend's taxes:

"Either of my parents could qualify for this but I think my boyfriend would be the best choice as I am a dependent on his taxes and live soley with him."

I have more of a chance at being right about my absolute statement than you do at proving I'm wrong. It doesnt matter if the orgy members want to marry or not...how will they prove there's no intent if they even get as far as an interview? Get a grip.

I actually haven't listened to the advice of anyone yet as I am simply brainstorming my options and I will repeat again I have no intentions of lying to the USCIS about my situation. I have yet to avoid any questions on any forms as I haven't filed anything out so I still don't know exactly how I've cheated or lied. Perhaps I've missed something vital.

All of you who jump right on "this is so wrong" train need to get over yourselves. Wrong according to who? Your beliefs aren't shared by everyone. I'm pretty certain that we each do something or have done something in our lives that someone else believes is morally bankrupt. Unless you follow your particular faith to the letter and will soon be nominated for sainthood, you should be concerned with your own practices.

The OP has not done anything illegal. She may have a difficult time making a case with USCIS but none of us are going to be the ones to decide whether her petition is approved or not. She didn't ask for your judgments, she asked for practical advice. If you can't be helpful, why bother posting? Take your judgments to church.

Thank you very much.

I think we've pretty much exhausted this topic, as now we are just moving into assumptions and random comments. If anyone else has anything useful to add, I check my inbox often. Thank you once again to everyone, even those who were un-helpful, as I do enjoy a good bit of debate. I will keep in contact with those who have been most helpful. Good luck to everyone else.

--*--A

Also, even though you cannot support your fiance, you will be required to fill out an I-864 yourself. Might take some explaining if the addys are the same & you haven't filed in years. They might wonder how can you possibly support someone if you don't work, don't file taxes, aren't a student yet you are being supported, and NOT by a family member.

I am currently a student and have been since i was...4ish. lol

So are you graduating soon? Most GRAD SCHOOL students have worked ast some point in their lives...and filed taxes.

How can you support someone if you are still in college? Even with a co-sponsor there are MANY red flags here. Be prepared to face them. Not to mention you 'lol'ing your own student statement - are you even mature enough to have 2 men?

PS: A requirement of the K1 is having met in the last 2 years - have you?

Yes I am a grad school student and I have filed taxes in the past but not for a few years. All of my recent work has been volunteer or, when I worked for my last college I did not make enough to file. I will obviously be able to support him after I finish college and start working, not to mention my fiance currently holds a job in his home country and will work once he comes here. Not being able to support someone is obviously an acceptable situation as there IS a name for the person involved, the co-sponsor, as you so kindly mentioned. Two incomes between 3 people will not be an issue. And there is no need to question my maturity as I do find it humorous that I have been in school for the large portion of my life, not enjoying my humor certainly does not give one the right to question my maturity level. Also yes we have met in the last two years and lived together for the three months he was here.

Also, even though you cannot support your fiance, you will be required to fill out an I-864 yourself. Might take some explaining if the addys are the same & you haven't filed in years. They might wonder how can you possibly support someone if you don't work, don't file taxes, aren't a student yet you are being supported, and NOT by a family member.

I am currently a student and have been since i was...4ish. lol

Isn't there a box on the Federal 1040 that asks if you're being someone else is claiming you as a dependent on your tax returns? If your boyfriend is, as the original poster has stated, how is this being done? They're not married. She's not receiving full-time medical care. She's not under the age of 18. How? I am very curious. If the original poster has to submit her previous tax returns as required for a K-1 petitiion, it's going to say the person who the person is that has claimed her on their taxes. Am I right? Or have I missed something?

I did not file taxes, and have not for several years. I don't have a job. My bf files as head of household and I'm listed as "other dependant." Hope that clears it up

Well.. he can claim her on his US taxes if he provides more than half of her support, she has lived in his residence for the entire year and she makes less than the minimum required to file a US Tax return...

More than 50% support is the only requirement, of course housing support is a form of support, so it would be difficult to show that type of support if the couple didnt live together the whole year. This is according to the IRS helpline.

Since you are from Pennsylvania, if your current living arrangement was established before Jan 05, you ARE married.

According to PA law the "marriage" would have had to be established by 1-1-05. We have not been living together for that long.

And then there's that pesky Question #14 on Page 3 of Form I-485.................

Do you plan to practice polygamy? My answer is no....and actually even if I DID marry my U.S. boyfriend as well it would be polyandry. But none of that matters as I am not. But it is interesting that they asked...

In my researching I have also asked myself "Is this the only way?"

Love does not have to be proven. Only that one has a bona fide relationship, is eligible, that one intends to marry within 90 days, and that the applicant wont become a public charge. The marriage itself must not be entered into for immigration purposes.

HI Aussie!

Which begs the question - what is the difference between love and a bona fide relationship?? Is there one?

She already has lover #1 here already & does not want to marry him. She wants to bring lover #2 to America and the only way she can do it is to have him marry/immigrate?

Fine lines here...

I'm not judging except that she wants 2 lovers & the only way she can do it is a marriage of convenience...which could get into tricky immigration legality stuff.

Everyone has given me lots to think about and consider and 99% of you have been very helpful and I thank you all so much. I will try to go through and answer each question as they come up tonight as last night there was 6 replies and today there were *looks* 7 billion or so. I will, in the meantime clarify a few general things I saw over and over. Yes I live in Pennsylvania but the rules for common law marriage are very specific and I am NOT in one. Avoiding preachy-ness, polyamory is not for everyone and this is not and will not ever be a "marriage of convienence." I wish to avoid lying, covering-up, withholding information, or any fradualant word you chose, to anyone. I do not want to have a legal situation with the US government for any reason. I do not file my own taxes as I do not make over $4,000.00 a year.

(I believe that is the limit but I'm not even close to it.) Any specific questions anyone has that they need me to clarify they can private message or email me. I have only started my visa journey as I have not even filled out the first form completely so any specific question numbers that some feel are obvious stumbling blocks I probably have not come across yet or am still questioning my answers myself. Again thank you to all of you so far and I honestly did not foresee such a firestorm but at least it has made for interesting conversation for many of you.

--*--Angelique

P.S. I am not and have never been a troll, I was born and continue to live my life as a human being.

Might I note that the OP joined Saturday, made this post & has not made a single one since.

Troll?

Actually by this point I made two posts and was waiting for people to respond, as they obviously have, instead of talking to myself, but thanks anywhos.

Sorry for the long rambling post but it can be hard to explain my situation. Everyones replies have been very helpful so far. I was thinking about leaving my bf out of it and then I wondered how much they would want to know about my household situation i.e. who I live with, how I pay for my housing if I dont work, etc. And no, I have no intention of marrying my bf here in the states. I did not originally want to post this subject here as I knew some people would be offended by it but I have had no luck in more...alternative lifestyle communites. Someone had mentioned in a post from late 2006 about a poly couple that was on this site several years ago but the archives dont seem to go back that far. Once again thenk you for the help. Also, one last question, does anyone think that an attorney for this matter would be helpful due to my unique situation. I obviously want to be as honest as I can to the US Governement about myself but I do worry about proving a bona fide relationship.

Hi, my name is Angelique and I have been in a polyamorous relationship for 2 years and counting. For those who don't know what that means...welll, you won't be able to help me with my question anyway, but it means I love more than one person. My first love has been with me for 8 years and we met in high school. My legal issue comes with my second love as he was born and raised in New Zealand where he currently still resides. I am planning to obtain a K-1 visa for him so he can immigrate to this country and we can marry so that he can live here legally with me and my boyfriend. As the U.S. petitioner I need to make 125% above the poverty line to sponsor him. I am a full time grad student so I need a joint sponsor. Either of my parents could qualify for this but I think my boyfriend would be the best choice as I am a dependent on his taxes and live soley with him. I suppose my question boils down to if anyone can tell me about similar stories they've heard. point me in a helpful direction or any other help anyone has. Thank you much.

P.S. if you don't agree with my lifestyle please don't post it here as it's just not helpful

(sorry bad experiences)