pokernut

should I let immigration know she went back to her home country??

what if you were to do a k-3 in the future? I dont see anything where imbra applies to that..

i did learn from the first one. I didnt marry this one and im not going through 2 years of hell to be dumped at the end of the paperwork trail... I at least improved... I caught this one early on ... and shes gone.... as soon as i can get it done...

just out of curiosity.. when she goes back to her home country, would this affect how long she would have to wait to file a work visa?

it took me 8 months before i filed the k-1 .. yes my gut feeling said get out of this.. no I didnt listen.. She finally convinced me that she loved me, but she didnt have it in her to carry it out when she got here. She thought i was so dopey, I would just do anything for her no matter what, and im sure i added to that by sending her the money that i sent her all this time.

Hey,

In terms of lecturing him, i don't think it's our place. I don't agree with what he said, as he could have phrased it better, however if she is one of those idiots that is just using him for his american citizenship, then he's right, she doesn't deserve to be here. I am sure we can all sympathize that if youir loved one was not interested in being with you at all, but only wanted to get to America, that you'd feel the same was as him. Yes he could have used different words such as "send her back" to express what he was saying, but he is human, he has emotions, and he is probably feeling like s***.

Now, pokernut, you either filed for a K-1 after only knowing her for a little bit, or you are just naive and cannot see when someone is deceiving you. I find it hard to believe that she put on such a great facade to the point where you truly believed she loved you and was able to disguise her true reasons for being in the US.

I am sorry that it turned out this way, but this is a prime example of someone abusing the K-1 visa, and this is a prime example of WHY we all have to wait so long for our visas, because some people just only want to scam/manipulate someone just so they can become a PR in he United states.

ok thanks for the many responses... I will give you the details... I met my fiance in october of 2006 in person.

So it has been much more than 16 months that she has lied to me. To address the age issue. I was apprehensive about the age difference and I thought that was something we had talked about enough that I was ok with it. NO i am not an old perv looking for that. I am a person like anyone else who wants to love someone and be loved in return. If you want more information, I have a medical condition that makes sexual activity low on my list of things to do. I have had diabetis for several years and had this condition a long time without treatment. One of the affects of this condition is erectile dysfunction, so Im not motivated by sex. I have a very low sex drive. My fiance broke up with me about three months into our relationship. I wasnt happy about that. I heard she had a boyfriend and I confronted her about that and she said it wasnt serious. Well I moved on and then a month or so after that she asked me to take her back. I did take her back, but I was very skeptical. I asked her hundreds of times did she really love me? I told her to just be honest with me and I would help her. I could help her get a work visa as she has a skill that is in demand in the usa.

So I have sent money not only to her but for the support of her family for the last 12 months since we got back together. When she arrived here she treated me as a "friend" I went to kiss her simply goodnight the first night, as i know she had a long flight and she would not even kiss me. I ask how is it that someone loves you and they wont kiss you? She said to give her time. Well ok... maybe so.. but I think there would be some level of affection. I recorded

the chat as I have already said, and she clearly tells her friends that she doesnt love me and also that she doesnt even intend to marry me? It seems she thought she could come here and just get a job. She doesnt seem to understand

the process at all. After a lot of talking, I finally got her to admit that she does not love me and that just came here to work and to help her family.

So I guess I have to spend some more money to send her back. She got me to believe that she really loved me even though my gut feeling told me that she didnt. Lesson to be learned i guess. My fault in this as it has been pointed out that this is my second k-1 visa, is that quite honestly i am a lonely person and I have set myself up for these problems. I have to work on myself and use much better judgement in the future. I am too willing to believe someone because I want to be in a happy loving relationship. So yes Im pretty stupid..

Im not concerned with contacting immigration.. When I posted this earlier, I was just frustrated and wanted this behind me. Ive had a lot of expenses lately and problems. My income qualified to bring her here. I just have to get caught up a little bit. I do love her, and Im mostly just very sad. It is because that I was burned on a previous k-1 fiance, that I have been much more willing to see the truth for what it is. Its possible to let love overlook things in hopes that it will get better. Im happy that im healthy enough now to just face the truth and the facts and take appropriate action. I am not vengefal. I dont wish her any harm or bad things. I just want to focus on things I have to do. Im upset that this has caused me to burn my second k-1 visa. I love the culture of her people and I love the people of her country. Someday I will move there. I wish her the best, but I want to get this over with and thats why I posted that like I did.

thanks for listening

I was deceived into this. I have seen enough cases where the petitioner was basically used so I took steps to verify. I have chat logs where she communicated her true feelings to the people back home. So I have been lied to for well over a year. So I have a right to my feelings about this. Thank you for

your answers... apparently im stuck for 90 days and she can have a vacation, which is what she planned all along. She has a relative coming from another state and they are going off together to have a good time... Well I guess I dont have to pay for any ticket back either...

hee.... hahaha ! no offense but a fiancee or a wife is not like a rat and you call the exterminators to get rid of it !

first, give us some more info, are you married, did you file for aos etc ?

If you are, you can file for a divorce

If you are not, just don't file any aos etc. i guess it should stop all procedures.

But damn.....

I dont have the money to buy her a ticket back and wont have for a couple of months.. To make a long story short, this is not going to work out. I dont want any exposure to risk of what she may cook up. Can I just call immigration and they will come and get her? maybe they can bill me.? Out of curiosity is she banned from the usa for some period of time when she goes back?

To make a long story short, I want her sent back asap. I dont have the money to send her back right away. I dont feel that she deserves even an extended vacation here at the costs that this has already brought to me. Its going to be two months before I can get a ticket for her to go back. Can I just call immigration and they come and get her? Maybe they can bill me? What can I do to get her on a plane back to her home country as soon as possible???

forgot to put submission of k-1 on outside envelope, but its on the cover page inside..

is this going to be a big deal?

They are asking for the info on any past k-1 applications..

they ask for the A# and the result..

so do they just want the result of the K-1 application or are they wanting a paragraph on whether or

not you got married and the outcome of that (divorce) and do we have to put the status of the

previous wife... I dont know what her status is ... and I dont have any of the paperwork.. she

ran off with it all.

It was over two years ago , so that requirement doesnt apply..

the average person in the philippines makes under the equivalent of 100 american dollars a month

educated persons make around 300.00

and im sure there are professionals who make more...

but the vast majority are dirt poor by american standards....

so.... there is not much visa fraud going on in my opinion ..

Im too lazy to go to all the trouble to fraudulently bring someone to he usa..

In theory they are not supposed to judge the suitabilty of a couple. In this world anyone can fall in love with anyone. Age difference itself is no big deal but couples with a larger age difference to get a closer look for possible visa fraud.

Actually 25 years is not that far above the norm for relationships with women from Russia. One site I go to did a poll and the average was 18 years. Just for the record the age differnce with me and my fiancee is about as big as you get, 38 years.

Right, suitability of the couple is not an evaluation criteria for granting a visa but it is a criteria that may be looked at along with numerous other factors in order to spot a fraud profile. For instance, if the male USC is recently divorced, (even more so if the foreigner also has recent divorce) has a low income and the short relationship includes the one required visit, then depending the couple may have to jump through some extra hoops before a visa is granted. A good presentation of relationship bona fides both with the petition and at interview can go a long way towards overcoming this but it is wise to be prepared with all possible information requested in such cases.

"What profile does this fit?" you ask. A very common one indeed. The profile is that the young bride and her family or recent former husband have schemed (for a substancial sum of money) to have the USC divorce his wife and file for a fiance visa. The divorces are on paper only. Relationships continue as before. Both foreigners end up in the USA together and the divorced USC's do too. I don't pretend to know all the profiling criteria but the above is some of it. When this profile is present, it is common to have an initial denial. The couple is then required to prove the residence of both former spouse's as well as to provide SSN' of X and show evidence of funding for any travel to meet the fiance.

If the relationship is bonafide, then the extra steps are a pain in the butt. If it is not, it's an effective crime fighting method.

third in four years? lol

i dont feel so bad now...

Im on my second k-1 application in four years.

WOW! I was worried based on other posts in here that maybe they started enforcing the IMBRA more strictly now. BUt, I just got my waiver approved without being asked for RFE or intent to deny. This fiance is my 3rd in 4 years, AND, I have not had 2 years elapse since my last approval. My case is pretty IMBRA hard core all around, but its approved. For those who want to know, I filed Feb 1, 2006, it went t o CSC, and just today I got a plain letter on white paper notifying me of the approval. Usually, I just got a NOA2. BUt not this time.

And funny thing is, when I go to the USCIS case status online, it still comes up as in processing. Anyways, this letter states the national visa center has recently recieved an approved I-129F petition, and its from the bureau of counsular affairs, whatever that is.

I wonder whatever happened to the NOA2?? Strange.

the first k-1 visa application was over two years ago... I dont have to file a waiver do I..

The way I read it, you get two k-1's before you have to file a waiver..

Im too lazy to go to all the trouble to fraudulently bring someone to he usa..

In theory they are not supposed to judge the suitabilty of a couple. In this world anyone can fall in love with anyone. Age difference itself is no big deal but couples with a larger age difference to get a closer look for possible visa fraud.

Actually 25 years is not that far above the norm for relationships with women from Russia. One site I go to did a poll and the average was 18 years. Just for the record the age differnce with me and my fiancee is about as big as you get, 38 years.

Right, suitability of the couple is not an evaluation criteria for granting a visa but it is a criteria that may be looked at along with numerous other factors in order to spot a fraud profile. For instance, if the male USC is recently divorced, (even more so if the foreigner also has recent divorce) has a low income and the short relationship includes the one required visit, then depending the couple may have to jump through some extra hoops before a visa is granted. A good presentation of relationship bona fides both with the petition and at interview can go a long way towards overcoming this but it is wise to be prepared with all possible information requested in such cases.

"What profile does this fit?" you ask. A very common one indeed. The profile is that the young bride and her family or recent former husband have schemed (for a substancial sum of money) to have the USC divorce his wife and file for a fiance visa. The divorces are on paper only. Relationships continue as before. Both foreigners end up in the USA together and the divorced USC's do too. I don't pretend to know all the profiling criteria but the above is some of it. When this profile is present, it is common to have an initial denial. The couple is then required to prove the residence of both former spouse's as well as to provide SSN' of X and show evidence of funding for any travel to meet the fiance.

If the relationship is bonafide, then the extra steps are a pain in the butt. If it is not, it's an effective crime fighting method.

I didnt plan it this way, but my fiance is 25 years younger than me. We have had a few talks about our age, and it doesnt matter to us.

anyone know where this puts us with the embassy interview?

thanks

a k-1 visa applicant will need to get a passport? just checking

I am going to be moving to another city.. Would it be okay to file the fiance visa now and then move ??

Can I just submit a change of address later??

I will be filing our fiance visa out of washington state... I will send it to nebraska and it will end up in california ??? is that correct.

I hope to file in about a month... Im starting to get a little excited..

its been a long haul just to get to this point... I had to get a DV case dismissed and finish up divorce paperwork.

now i find i dont have my birth certificate and i have sent off for that... allow 4 weeks for processing they say...

geez

marieke,

I-129f for fiance(e) should be sent to the service center that is designated for the petitioner's state of residence, which may not be the closest one although in your fiance's case it does happen to be.

Yodrak

dont know how stupid this question is but im going to ask anyway...

can you send the I-129F to any centre? as it looks like vermont and nebraska are much quicker. does it depend which is the closest to my fiance's home, he lives in TX so should he send it there?

ta!

if it helps your situation at all, the instructions say to send it according to the state "where you live." That isn't necessarily your state of "Residence" (there can be different legal/tax term ramifications of each). State where you live might be different. For some people (I'm thinking student types), the use of "where you live" might be helpful. (Like a California "resident" who goes to University of Vermont, etc).

For most, it makes no difference.

So we're back to READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!

I thought you cant even apply with a conviction... you have to ask for a special waiver and it has to claim that the violence was in self defense.. not that you disclose it to the fiance, but that you cant even apply Am i wrong on this?? My heart and prayers go out to you brother. you are yet another casualty of the psycho ####### that infects this country.. god bless you in your struggle for justice.

I live in IL, however back in DEC 2002 I was in MN and was part of a fight with my sister. Unfortunately she turned to call the cops.

As a result I was charged and convicted for Domestic Assault (when none ever took place). My charge was reduced to a misdemeanor and was let go with a fine. The record was then sealed after one year.

This was the FIRST and ONLY time that I was arrested in my entire life.

Now IMBRA wants me to reveal this on the I 129-F. I feel that since the record was sealed I should not have to reveal this and there is no reason for my future wife to know about this one time incident.

Does anyonw know what I can do (other than get a lawyer?)

Thanks

I live in IL, however back in DEC 2002 I was in MN and was part of a fight with my sister. Unfortunately she turned to call the cops.

As a result I was charged and convicted for Domestic Assault (when none ever took place). My charge was reduced to a misdemeanor and was let go with a fine. The record was then sealed after one year.

This was the FIRST and ONLY time that I was arrested in my entire life.

Now IMBRA wants me to reveal this on the I 129-F. I feel that since the record was sealed I should not have to reveal this and there is no reason for my future wife to know about this one time incident.

Does anyonw know what I can do (other than get a lawyer?)

Thanks

It didnt take place but you were convicted??? makes no sense.

I think that IMBRA requires all disclosures. They dont care even if you were pardoned by the governor, it still has to be disclosed.

why doesnt it make sense.. ?? men are convicted all the time under these feminazi bs laws. Maybe you will find out one day when they come for you

I got a call from my lawyer and she said my DV case has been dismissed. and that it is not a conviction. So an arrest supposedly doesnt count i dont think... So im pretty happy about this outcome. I lost several thousand dollars, my apt, my job, my children for months, because of a system that assumes guilty till proven innocent, has no due process, allows heresay evidence, doesnt allow you to confront silent and unsubstantiated witnesses.. This process is similar to Nazi germany.. Just like i told the judge THIS IS BULLSHT ..

the arrest record is misdeameanor , and i think they call it gross misdeameanor, class 4 two counts of assualt on a child.. becuase i have two children... and i dont care what anyone thinks might have happened.. I spanked them on the butt and thats it.. and there were no marks... and thats the truth

I spanked my two boys and i was arrested and charged with DV.. misdemeanor 4 assault..

I signed up for deferred prosecution and I attended 4 parenting classes and paid a 300 dollar monitoring fee

whereby they check you on the computer for two years and the 300 is to pay for that they say

i was told at the end of the deferrement, that the record is dropped ...

now.. my lawyer hasnt been good, so make a long story short and she is completely ignorant of immigration..

my question is this a conviction? I dont have the money right now to get another lawyer..

i would like to know if i can answer the question on the form as NO to a conviction..

this happened in the state of washington...

Maybe i can find a legal service or someone who can tell me...

The answer is "NO", it is not a conviction. It is an arrest but not a conviction. If you complete your deferment, with no issues, then it is true, the record will be wiped clean as if nothing has ever happened. You would still have an arrest record but no one asks those questions on any forms/applications. Arrested for spanking????????

thanks for your reply

i work with def. judgements all day, a def sentence is only a probation time, if you get into trouble it usually advances to a suspended sentence. If during this time of probation u dont get into trouble and do what is required here in Okla you can get this statement added to your records "pled not guilty case dismissed" meaning at the end of the time you are taking back your first plea of guilt and replacing with this. On your rap sheet you will still show the arrest except now thats what it will read as case dismissed. If wont come completely off. Go to your court clerk and get a certificed copy of the motion and order for expongement. Take this to whoever is doing your state record check, here it isOkla State Bureau of Investigation ask to review your record and present this and someone should update your record. Here to check your own record for accuracy there is no charge or you can pay a lawyer to do the same thing Def. is not guilt.