Sean & Marina

About the beauocracy in America I have to agree that we sometimes have problems just as bad as the Ukraine as well, but in my post I was only specifically talking about the consulate in Kiev, not America. Yes, they do have new lines outside the embassy based on times, but they are NOT for people going for IMMIGRANT visas. If you are there for immigrant visas you just need to pass everyone by and go to the gate entry with your documentation. The inside area is much nicer than being outside. Yes, you can take your jacket off there if you want, but both my wife and I still didn't like the lack of knowledge and professionalism on the part of the Ukrainian workers there. We BOTH also agree that the Americans there are working hard to overcome the problems that are sometimes created by their Ukrainian counterparts. I must also comment that, yes, there are sometimes people ther without notarized documents, etc. but the truth is that they were NOT required to have notarized copies (as per written instuctions and what the Americans told them) yet the Ukrainian were just about "giddy" demanding people meet requirements that were not necessary. I don't think they understand that we are not as NOTARY happy as the people are in the Ukraine. The difference is how our societies conduct business. I've noticed that in the Ukraine, people do not trust anyone and always seem to suspect that people will llie or cheat and therby DEMAND everything to be notarized. To contrast, in America we rarely demand notarizations, instead requiring only signatures on documents. The reason is simple. In America, our culture does not automatically expect people will lie or cheat. We automatically expect the exact opposite, that what people say and so are honest. This simple difference in how the two societies conduct themselves were incredibly evident at the consulate. This is not just an opinion of a single America. My opinion comes form years of traveling experience and is matched by the opinion of my Ukrainian wife as well.

Congratulations guys! I know how exciting you must be ! I got my passport with visa only two hours ago, it's amazing!!!

I have to make a little comment on your review. My experience with the Embassy was much better. Or, may be, because I've had interviews for student visa two times in last six years, this fiancee visa interview seemed much more pleasant. Did you see all this people crowded in that covered area? After I went through check point and they told me to go straight to the building to the Immigration Section, I was very much surprised. That area is warm, it has chairs and water, you can take your coat off, and it makes you feel good. For student visas (as well as for tourist) you'd remain in that crowded covered area outside the Embassy building where a hundred people waiting for their number be called up and go for the interview. Comparing to this, the fact that the girl checking my documents wasn't super friendly didn't bother me. She was polite and professional; I'm sure they are the way they're trained to be. Also, I saw two people in front of me who didn't have some documents either tranlsated, or notarized, and they were let out to get this done and come back right away for the interview. About the luggage, I, for example, wasn't suspicious when left my little perce in that apartment paying $2 for that. They let you take your wallet and cell phone (no, cell phones are left at checkpoint), so I wasn't afraid to leave my stuff over there. It's not convinient but it's the only choice, so I didn't mind!

About the fact that you felt like in the Embassy Americans made it easy for you and Ukrainians did not, I respectfully disagree. You see, I love America, the man I love is American, I've lived there for five years, and I know it's safe, and secure, and you can live your life with dignity. But, once again, I lived there for long enough to know that amount of nonsense people face sometimes dealing with officials at school, at work, etc, is unbelieavable. People who are supposed to be competent turn out to be unable to help and you are left with no answer to whatever quesiton you had. I think the bureaucracy is the same everywhere. It's an excellent advice though to talk to American to clarify specific issues like tax forms, etc.

What pissed me off big time (and basically, the only thing about Ukrainian part of this process,) that when I called the Embassy asking if I needed a police certificate because I lived in US for five years, I both times was told YES. I knew it must have been wrong because I had info from the state.gov (immigration section) that I didn't need it. But since K1 visa is so confusing in terms of that it's non-immigrant actually, I wanted to make sure. Only when I sent an email, I got a clear answer the NO, I don't need to have a police certificte in the US.

To finish about the interview. Remember those lines 8.30/8.45... 9.00/9.15...? Imagine that it wasn't like that before. Two years ago when I was there last time, there was just a huge crowd of people and you had to scream - who is for 9.30, and you'd be the next after the last person in this vitual line. Now, they had this little lines according to scheduled time. I think that this little optimization helps a lot to keep everything in a certain order. In Ukraine, they don't have similar line-separators (I don't know how they're called) like in American banks, post offices, ticket offices, etc. I find it extremely convinient and smart comparing to forming all the horrible 'flocks' here.

I didn't mean to be harsh . I just know how things are generally done in Ukraine and, to find out how the Embassy administer K1 visa applicants was a good experience (especially comparing to that horrible medical; I'm sure you've heard about it.)

GONGRATULATIONS ONE MORE TIME! AND GOOD LUCK FOR THE REST OF JOURNEY !

Masha

After weeks of stressing about what the visa interview would be like in Kiev, and not getting much information about the experience, I thought I would write about the day of our visa interview to help others who will soon be facing the same thing in Kiev. I'll also talk about some gotchas people need to be aware of when it comes to the interview at the consulate in Kiev.

First of all was the trip from Kharkov to Kiev. We took the express train from Kharkov to Kiev. It's 200% better than the regular train. Instead of a beat up left over soviet era smoke filled smelly rat trap disguised as a train, the express train is actually on par with trains from western Europe. Buy a second class ticket. The second class seats are like first class seats on an airplane. No need to splurge on a first class ticket.

We also rented an apartment for the day instead of getting a hotel. For about $75 we got a complete 2 bedroom apartment with a separate living room, complete kitchen complete will all appliances, plates, cookware, etc. in a decent neighborhood not far from the consulate. Stay away from the center of the city. The apartments there are old and run down and cost much much more. Hotels are the worst because they are extremely expensive in Kiev, even for Ukrainians. Most want double the cost of an apartment and give you only a single crappy room.

One of the gotchas about this consulate is the security concerns.

Go to http://kiev.usembassy.gov/visa_visitmemo_eng.html for details but basically the idea is that the only thing you're gonna bring inside the gates is your wallet (no purses), passports, and your documents in a clear plastic see through folder. There is no place outside the consulate to put your bags. Best bet - leave them at the apartment or take your bags first to the baggage check service at the main train station in Kiev. Since most people will be taking the train anyway, its a good place to leave your bags before you head off to the consulate. Keep in mind they are not lockers, just a check in service so don't leave anything valuable in the bags.

The first thing you need to know about the consulate is that they do not open the gates until 8am. They do not open the gate any earlier for any reason whatsoever, even if you happen to be 8 months pregnant like my wife was, so don't even bother to show up earlier than necessary. On that note I need to say something about the appointments for the visa interviews. You are not the only ones with the same interview time. We discovered after getting there that we were only one of three people with the same time slot. Also, punctuality is not a Ukrainian trait it seems at the consulate. Our 8am appointment started at 8:45am when the window slid open. The first thing that everyone seems to do inside the little interview room is start forming a line. The first thing the Ukrainians working inside will be to tell everyone to sit down. Just keep your seat until you are called. They have a list they go by according to the appointment schedule and will call you up to the window when they are ready for you.

At the window they open up the medical exam envelope and any envelopes they have of the original material you may have submitted during the process. They will want originals of everything. If they collected the originals from you either in the Ukraine or in the states, they will have it. They will also ask you for any originals of documents if you only sent them copies before. Basically they are collecting all the original documents together for the interviewer.

Gotcha number two. Bring everything you can think of, even if you don't think you'll need it. Photos, airplane ticket stubs, copy of your spouse's passport pages showing entry and exit visa stamps from the nice folks at the Ukrainian border (not required but really handy), letters, copies of emails, whatever. The more the merrier. Place all the "extra" stuff in a separate clear envelope away from the documentation. The consul will very much appreciate this.

Also bring any W-2s you may have if you haven't yet filed for a new tax return. The requirement is to show proof of income. If you've already done that then they will have you tax returns. The problem is that the Ukrainians at the consulate don’t understand out tax systems. Their paperwork says they need to get a 1040 from everyone. If they see a 1040A or a 1040EZ they automatically go into a spazz mode demanding to see the 1040. I actually had the Ukrainian lady tell me that perhaps the state I come from may allow a 1040A but that I needed to have a 1040 instead. I almost busted a gut on that one!

Now, we all know as Americans that we either file a 1040, 1040A, or a 1040EZ but they seem to think for some reason that a 1040A or a 1040EZ is "not good enough". If you encounter this little gotcha, just ask for an American. In fact, if you get told any kind of ####### that seems really stupid, just ask for an American. I saw so much garbage there settled in seconds once an American embassy worker got a hold of it. Bottom line, if they try to tell you still need something or something is not good enough, just ask for an American and most of the time it will be resolved immediately. DO NOT LEAVE until you speak to an American!!!!!

Examples of this was when the Ukrainians demanded original documents when all you had is a certified copy, knowing correct tax forms, explaining to the Ukrainians that we are not forced to file taxes until April 15 and the immigration process is based on LAST year's taxes anyway, asked for paperwork you are not required to have, etc.

About money and tax returns. They can't make you show newer income information if they have what they need from the previous year but you are certainly able to add material, such as a new W-2, if such a document will help your case. The important thing to remember is that eventually everything will be seen and read through by the AMERICAN consul. From our experience he's a man with mountains of common sense is a real pleasure compared to the rest of the Ukrainian "gang" working there.

Side note: the Ukrainians at the consulate seem hell bent on making your visit as difficult as possible. The Americans seem hell bent on making it as pleasant as possible. That goes for everyone from the gate guards to the consul himself. Just keep that in mind while you are there.

THE GOOD PART. Once the interview is complete, the consul will hand you a pink tear off with a serial number on it. If you get this it means you are approved and you are on your way. What you need to do next is go to the FedEX mailing windows (INSIDE THE CONSULATE GROUNDS) next to the gate building where you entered. The window is in the same section as the outside covered waiting area. Complete a form for mailing your passport to your Ukrainian address, pay the fee in Ukrainian money (about $10) and get a receipt. MAKE SURE you write down the serial number on the pink form and the telephone number for the SMS tracking system you will see next to the FedEX window. SMS is the only way to track your passport on it's way to your address. They say it takes 10 days but we (and everyone else it seems) gets their passports in about a day or two. WARNING!!!!! Be at home the day the package is supposed to arrive and have your fiancé / wife's Ukrainian blue passport ready. They will need it for delivery! They DO NOT warn you ahead of time when they are coming. The only way to find out is to send an SMS as per the instructions you will see at the FedEX window area. It will tell you the time and date. 2nd WARNING!!!! They are usually early on the delivery so just have someone there with the blue Ukrainian passport all day to make sure you get your passports.

We had an 8am appointment and we left at about 11am. We took the afternoon express train back to Kharkov and were home the same night. Two days later, early in the morning, our passports and sealed envelopes arrived.

NOTE: This is also posted in the section on R-1 and CR-1 visas since it relates to the experience of people in that forum as well.

After weeks of stressing about what the visa interview would be like in Kiev, and not getting much information about the experience, I thought I would write about the day of our visa interview to help others who will soon be facing the same thing in Kiev. I'll also talk about some gotchas people need to be aware of when it comes to the interview at the consulate in Kiev.

First of all was the trip from Kharkov to Kiev. We took the express train from Kharkov to Kiev. It's 200% better than the regular train. Instead of a beat up left over soviet era smoke filled smelly rat trap disguised as a train, the express train is actually on par with trains from western Europe. Buy a second class ticket. The second class seats are like first class seats on an airplane. No need to splurge on a first class ticket.

We also rented an apartment for the day instead of getting a hotel. For about $75 we got a complete 2 bedroom apartment with a separate living room, complete kitchen complete will all appliances, plates, cookware, etc. in a decent neighborhood not far from the consulate. Stay away from the center of the city. The apartments there are old and run down and cost much much more. Hotels are the worst because they are extremely expensive in Kiev, even for Ukrainians. Most want double the cost of an apartment and give you only a single crappy room.

One of the gotchas about this consulate is the security concerns.

Go to http://kiev.usembassy.gov/visa_visitmemo_eng.html for details but basically the idea is that the only thing you're gonna bring inside the gates is your wallet (no purses), passports, and your documents in a clear plastic see through folder. There is no place outside the consulate to put your bags. Best bet - leave them at the apartment or take your bags first to the baggage check service at the main train station in Kiev. Since most people will be taking the train anyway, its a good place to leave your bags before you head off to the consulate. Keep in mind they are not lockers, just a check in service so don't leave anything valuable in the bags.

The first thing you need to know about the consulate is that they do not open the gates until 8am. They do not open the gate any earlier for any reason whatsoever, even if you happen to be 8 months pregnant like my wife was, so don't even bother to show up earlier than necessary. On that note I need to say something about the appointments for the visa interviews. You are not the only ones with the same interview time. We discovered after getting there that we were only one of three people with the same time slot. Also, punctuality is not a Ukrainian trait it seems at the consulate. Our 8am appointment started at 8:45am when the window slid open. The first thing that everyone seems to do inside the little interview room is start forming a line. The first thing the Ukrainians working inside will be to tell everyone to sit down. Just keep your seat until you are called. They have a list they go by according to the appointment schedule and will call you up to the window when they are ready for you.

At the window they open up the medical exam envelope and any envelopes they have of the original material you may have submitted during the process. They will want originals of everything. If they collected the originals from you either in the Ukraine or in the states, they will have it. They will also ask you for any originals of documents if you only sent them copies before. Basically they are collecting all the original documents together for the interviewer.

Gotcha number two. Bring everything you can think of, even if you don't think you'll need it. Photos, airplane ticket stubs, copy of your spouse's passport pages showing entry and exit visa stamps from the nice folks at the Ukrainian border (not required but really handy), letters, copies of emails, whatever. The more the merrier. Place all the "extra" stuff in a separate clear envelope away from the documentation. The consul will very much appreciate this.

Also bring any W-2s you may have if you haven't yet filed for a new tax return. The requirement is to show proof of income. If you've already done that then they will have you tax returns. The problem is that the Ukrainians at the consulate don’t understand out tax systems. Their paperwork says they need to get a 1040 from everyone. If they see a 1040A or a 1040EZ they automatically go into a spazz mode demanding to see the 1040. I actually had the Ukrainian lady tell me that perhaps the state I come from may allow a 1040A but that I needed to have a 1040 instead. I almost busted a gut on that one!

Now, we all know as Americans that we either file a 1040, 1040A, or a 1040EZ but they seem to think for some reason that a 1040A or a 1040EZ is "not good enough". If you encounter this little gotcha, just ask for an American. In fact, if you get told any kind of ####### that seems really stupid, just ask for an American. I saw so much garbage there settled in seconds once an American embassy worker got a hold of it. Bottom line, if they try to tell you still need something or something is not good enough, just ask for an American and most of the time it will be resolved immediately. DO NOT LEAVE until you speak to an American!!!!!

Examples of this was when the Ukrainians demanded original documents when all you had is a certified copy, knowing correct tax forms, explaining to the Ukrainians that we are not forced to file taxes until April 15 and the immigration process is based on LAST year's taxes anyway, asked for paperwork you are not required to have, etc.

About money and tax returns. They can't make you show newer income information if they have what they need from the previous year but you are certainly able to add material, such as a new W-2, if such a document will help your case. The important thing to remember is that eventually everything will be seen and read through by the AMERICAN consul. From our experience he's a man with mountains of common sense is a real pleasure compared to the rest of the Ukrainian "gang" working there.

Side note: the Ukrainians at the consulate seem hell bent on making your visit as difficult as possible. The Americans seem hell bent on making it as pleasant as possible. That goes for everyone from the gate guards to the consul himself. Just keep that in mind while you are there.

THE GOOD PART. Once the interview is complete, the consul will hand you a pink tear off with a serial number on it. If you get this it means you are approved and you are on your way. What you need to do next is go to the FedEX mailing windows (INSIDE THE CONSULATE GROUNDS) next to the gate building where you entered. The window is in the same section as the outside covered waiting area. Complete a form for mailing your passport to your Ukrainian address, pay the fee in Ukrainian money (about $10) and get a receipt. MAKE SURE you write down the serial number on the pink form and the telephone number for the SMS tracking system you will see next to the FedEX window. SMS is the only way to track your passport on it's way to your address. They say it takes 10 days but we (and everyone else it seems) gets their passports in about a day or two. WARNING!!!!! Be at home the day the package is supposed to arrive and have your fiancé / wife's Ukrainian blue passport ready. They will need it for delivery! They DO NOT warn you ahead of time when they are coming. The only way to find out is to send an SMS as per the instructions you will see at the FedEX window area. It will tell you the time and date. 2nd WARNING!!!! They are usually early on the delivery so just have someone there with the blue Ukrainian passport all day to make sure you get your passports.

We had an 8am appointment and we left at about 11am. We took the afternoon express train back to Kharkov and were home the same night. Two days later, early in the morning, our passports and sealed envelopes arrived.

They will only want to see the latest tax return filed as of the date you submitted the 134. If a new tax period has come since then they are not going to suddenly decide they need it. The employees at the embassy (local people) might think you need it but it is not true. For example, when we went to our visa interview the lady who worked at the embassy (not American) kept insisting that we needed anotgher tax return since it was now 2008 and all we had in the file was the 2006 tax return. I explained to her that in America we do not have to file our taxes until April 15 and also that when the application was filed that the 2006 tax return was the latest available. The Consul agreed that onlt the latest tax return you had as of the date you signed the 134 was necessary, even if this is a new tax year.

So what it comes down to is that if your tax record that you already submitted was good enough then it is good enough. On the other hand if the tax return was not good enough you can always add information (like a new W-2 showing you made more money, etc). You can always add more information but they won't require it!

First - great news is we got approved yesterday!!!!

Now, I'm focusing on the next steps.

I'm a founding partner in a health club. I've poured all of my money/resources into the gym over the past year +. So, my 2006 tax returns show me meeting the poverty level, but if I file for 2007 they won't. As a business owner - what should I do? And what is?

report of commercial rating concern

For the 134, should I just use the 2006 returns, since I won't file for 2007 until the last possible day (as I always do).

Should I also get a co-sponsor (my parents) just in case?

Do I need to show my financial records as a business owner, or just my 2006 returns? I still have no idea what a commercial rating concern is???

PLEASE HELP!!!! I don't want all my efforts into my business to stop Sarah from coming home.

Thank you!

Don't worry. They will send letters to both your American and Ukrainian addresses with the exact same letter that you will need to bring to the interview. The letter will have the date and time of the interview on it. It will also have a list of the documents that are needed (if any) for you to bring to the interview. Ours showed a long list of documents but also showed that they had all of them. Either case, I am making sure we bring everything with us. Our case was completed on November 20th and we got out letter in the US in late December and in the Ukraine about a week later.

Sean

I talked to the NVC operator last night she said that I should call not earlier than the 3rd week of the month to find out the date for the interview in Kiev I just can't wait any longer can't eat, sleep or think of anything else; am I crazy? It's just around the corner but feels like forever...