Zizi & Zuki

Hello All, and Merry Christmas,

We are trying to make travel plans and estimating the time needed between flights. Have you or someone you know passed through immigration in JFK? How long should we allow for that so that my fiance can catch his next flight?

Thanks!

Zuki

Thank you Noura. He'll be here in a week or so after the Eid. He's an only son and needs to attend to some needs his mom has. I feel so lucky to have him.

Thanks Charles! Hope yours goes quickly!

Hi all! Well, Zizi made his fourth and final trip to Casa....they actually issued the Visa this time! This has been an exhausting journey ladies, and the reality of it is still sinking in! We are so happy that he is really finally coming. Ours was drug out especially long for security checks and the need to get a Spanish Police Certificate. What I learned from this, that I can pass on to others to hopefully shorten your wait:

1) If you fiance has spent any significant amount (six months or more) of time outside of Morocco, work on getting your police certificate early in the process. Even if they didn't have a residency, you can get a Spanish police certificate by hiring a Spanish Lawyer.

2) Don't count on it taking the 5 months they estimate for this visa. Security checks alone can push that up to 9 months.

We had a b**** of a consulate officer who made the whole process especially stressful for us. I am so glad this is behind us now and we really can look forward to a normal life. I can hardly believe it!

Thanks to all of you that put up with my whining and incessant questions! To all those that are waiting: Your day WILL come!!!

Zuki

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Enjoy!

Thanks a million Sarah & Maggie! Will pass the info along to Zizi.

Zuki

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Maggie & Omar, Good luck and best wishes and prayers for you both! Have a wonderful time together, I hope you bring him back with you!!! May you make memories that last a lifetime!!

Zuki & Zizi

Hello VJ Friends,

Zizi has asked me to post a request: Does anyone know of a sworn translator in Casablanca who can translate a document from Spanish to English? A phone number would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you, Afik attas, Chukran bizzef, Muchas Gracias, Merci bocu,

Zuki

Our case has been in and out of security checks for months at our consulate. In the meantime I had to move. How do I file a change of address where my fiance and I will be living? Is there a special form? Do I contact the Consulate, or State Dept. or who?

Thank you!

I agree completely with Jen3539 AND Sercontigo! If a guy is asking for gifts, then I would question much what he is in the relationship for. It goes the other way around, too....chicks asking guys for things.

And I think that it all depends on the relationship, who has the earning power, etc. You shouldn't try to "buy" someone's affection. But if you love them and you are secure in their love for you, and you can give without feeling used, and can give with all your heart, do so. Gifts are just another way of expressing affection and love. To some people that is very important. Part of relationships is learning what rings the other one's bells, if you know what I mean.

Gifts are not high on either of our priority lists, but I am definitely at this point the one with the earning power. I have seen when my fiance was extremely generous with me given his small income, and I know he will be again when he has the opportunity to earn. So it doesn't bother me to occasionally lavish things on him. What he has to give me, he gives with all of his heart and talent...

That's my two cents, for what it's worth.

Hello All,

I am wondering if anyone (beneficiary) has had their security check returned for a second check. We waited over 3 months for the first one, there was a new interview after the police check in which a 2nd 221g was issued and my fiance (K1 Visa) was told to obtain a police certificate from Spain. (He is Moroccan. There is a Spanish enclave city he visited regularly.) Interestingly, we just heard that the Spanish police want to fingerprint him because there is someone else with his same name out there. I think this will be resolved once the Spanish police check returns and finds that he is not the guy who apparently did something wrong. What I am wondering is...do we really have to wait the whole time for the second security check to be done if we have proof that he had a clean record....

Any one experience or hear of anything like this?

Zuki

In my humble opinion, from what little I read about you two, you should be okay. But in my situation, if I had it to do over, I would get a good immigration attorney from the beginning. If you have any red flags that you think might trip you up, I would recommend do it now. You need someone (if you have red flags) who can help you preclude any problems.

Casa is not only hell, but I think someone there gets a sordid satisfaction of seeing people suffer.

Amanda,

Could you please share more about DCF? What is it and if someone is "stuck" at a standstill with another visa, can this simply be remedied by the potential spouse going to Morocco, marrying their fiance and waiting it out a month or two to get DCF. Sounds too good to be true....but if it is true, I'll do it!

Susan

Susan - I think everyone is right, try to get in touch with the Spanish consulate to get some advice. Also, the Spanish government should be able to give him some sort of documentation saying they are not able to issue a police certificate because he was not a resident. This document could also attest to him NOT being a resident at any time.

Thank you Kiya et all,

I will check with the Spanish Consulate here. I think that is good advice. Also, I read from another VJer that the rule is if you resided in a place more than six months. Technically we are under the time frame. If we can get a certificate, just to cooperate and show his innocense, I'd be more than happy to do it. I sure don't want to have to start this process over again. It is exhausting and of course we miss each other terribly. We just want to begin our life together, settle down and work peacefully.

I'll let you all know what advice the lawyer gives this week, too.

Susan

Hi again,

Thank you for your advice. Kiya and I are in touch. I have begun working with a lawyer who claims 100% in K1 Visa cases. Our Senator is also helping us.

The impossible requirements are 1) Exact dates he lived in a Spanish enclave of Morocco. 2) A police certificate covering the times he lived there.

It is easy for Moroccans who live near the enclave to cross the border on almost a daily basis with only their Nekwa (identity card). He was in and out over several years, but his residence was in Morocco. He never stayed there more than a few days without returning to Moroccan soil. We wanted to try to comply with #2, but the Spanish police will not issue a certificate for anyone who did not have official residency.

Plan B, if K1 fails, was for us to get married in Morocco and do K3. But as I review VJ Stats, I see that some of those fail too. Can you imagine us going through all this and getting the same lady next time as his interviewer/case worker? I would absolutely rather die. I am hoping this attorney can truly help us. We are being unjustly persecuted. This woman is corrupt! I believe she is chosing to try to rout us in this way because our evidence for a genuine relationship was too strong.

Good luck to all of you who still have interviews ahead. B'slema!

Hello all,

Does anyone know an attorney with proven success in cases involving the infamous lady interviewer in Casa? Does anyone know a way you can request a different interviewer there. He has already had 2 interviews. The last one went badly because of a "misunderstanding through an interpreter" although we are convinced it is because this lady was looking for some pretext to disqualify him. She has requested something impossible to produce based on a supposed misinformation thru the interpreter that was there. When my fiance tried to straighten this out at the interview she stonewalled him and handed him a new 221g with impossible requirements. Does anyone know who we can go to to request a different person interview him? We are contemplating just getting married and beginning a K-3 Visa but I am terrified as I read the VJ timelines and see that even some K-3's in Morocco have been denied. I feel this is a nightmare that has no solution. We are truly in a crisis. Any help will be appreciated.

Susan

Hi,

Can you reply to me personally? I need to know if you have gotten your visa, since your timeline is not linked to your name.

Thanks!

Susan

Patty, Congratulations! May I ask how much of an age difference between you?

Susan

Hey, so glad to meet a couple with a larger age gap than us.. By a whole whopping 6 months! Yes, do address that issue up front and give lots of evidence about your relationship. I did and they aren't picking on us about that at all now! The bad news is, they are finding OTHER things to pick on. But fear not, just keep moving forward. Eventually we will all get through this, and hopefully we won't be walking with a cane by the time our younger SO's arrive.

My fiance has an uncle that married a woman around 20 years older than him............Hey, guess what! She is Moroccan! They LIVE IN MOROCCO. Maybe they should accompany some of us to our interviews. (Just kidding.) But, they have lived very happily together for about 20 years now. Aziz recently asked his uncle if it ever bothered him that they didn't have children. He said, not really...they had spent a lot of money with a doctor to try to see if they could fix that, but he only did it for her...he was perfectly content as they were.

Yeah, my being a western woman was part of my mystic, part of what attracted Aziz to me. But he never really was looking to live in America. I have to say, living all those years in N. Africa, I always thought Moroccan men had a lot more mystic than American men....and are a whole lot more passionate.

Part of what makes Aziz special to me is his culture. He's younger, but very manly, and very much in charge of our relationship. I'm older and can give him some opportunities he would not have in Morocco. So what....we love each other passionately, and that is what is really important. I've seen "age appropriate" couples who totally bombed out in their relationship from lots of other issues. It is impossible to generalize.

Hugs to all,

Your older and wiser big sister!

Thank you Private. It really helps to have someone else feel our pain. I hope it is the only pain you have to feel in this process . It has been a long haul so far, but some have had it a lot worse. We are just figuring out we need to have a really strong plan B!

It's all an opportunity to find out how much we really do love each other.

Sorry about the delay. Will he be able to get a police report there? Casa is tough, but you are almost there!

God, I hope you are right!

I truly 'preciate all this moral support more than you know. May it return to you 100x and running over!

Thank you!

Thanks Sarah. You are your usual kind self. I am better now. So is Zizi. He is on his way home. Even his little town looks better after being in Casa for a couple days. Hmmm. You never know, I could end up spending the rest of my life there with him. Then my Berber would get really, really good.

Hey! It's Friday!

You gals are SO sweet! It's sure been a hell of a week. I sit here now with some really good arabic music and a nice warm meal to comfort me. I was balling my eyes out after the interview, this morning. Forgive me for needing the day to recuperate before I could respond.

The lady we all know and would like to be able to love was back. With a female interpreter in Arabic. So, the questions they really grilled him with had to do with having been in the Spanish enclave city up north. He lives in a border town and crossed frequently for an informal job. He never had his own place there but did spend the night frequently. She demanded exact dates and the date of my departure. Zizi is not real good with dates. So he tried to give her a rough estimate of the time. She insisted on exact dates.

The long and short of it is they handed him another 221g that says:

Please provide a Spanish police certificate covering the times you lived in Spain. Please make another appointment by emailing when you can recall the dates you lived in Spain and when you have the police certificate."

He did not have a residence in Spain. He stayed sometimes for the night as he was doing informal work there, never full time, as many in his people group do, to survive there. He told her at the end of the interview that he did not like that he had to work with an interpreter and felt he had been misrepresented. She responded that she thought her interpreter was doing just fine. He told her he is very much in love with his fiance and just wants to be with me. He was pretty emotional. When he told me what happened, I felt like I wanted to die, really. Sounds like too much drama, I know. But I guess we are both just that way. We are absolutely crazy for each other....have been thru hell and high water already, way too much to tell here.....

but we will go through more. And this has only made our love and resolve stronger.....

Senator Murray's office is helping us majorly. A new worker there who is also engaged spent a lot of time today seeking advice for us, contacting the Consulate and even got an answer back already (basically the same one I copied above). Aziz is going to follow her advice and prepare a letter trying to express what he already did at the interview. He will try to get a police certificate from Melilla (the Spanish enclave city). And we will try for interview #3. They say 3 is a charm, right? If not, I am going to start investigating about living in Spain, where I have a right to work residency anyway, and if that doesn't work, we will live poor as dirt in Morocco. But at least we will be together. He said he will not abandon me, and I'm not abandoning him either. Somehow we are going to get thru this, and enshallah we WILL be able to hug each other again.

Thank you so much for your support, gals (and guys, if you are reading).

Congratulations to both of you. May you be deeply in love forever and ever and cherish your relationship for having had to go thru the Visa process, even that much more!