Sofiyya

If you wanted to live in my house and eat my food, Mongolian culture would say that I should let you. If you wanted to sleep with my wife, you'd be out of luck... I'm not married yet. Even if I were married, I could tell her to sleep with you, but she'd have free will.

It sounds like Mongolia is stuck in the '60s.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims. If they were all nasty terrorists who wanted to blow up innocent people and force Sharia law on the rest of us I'm sure they would have done it by now.

How many terrorist attacks have there been by Muslims? A few hundred maybe? So that means that almost all the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world have not committed a terrorist attack and have no plans to ever do so.

But to the typical knuckle dragging thickos who've never left their own state and have no clue what goes on in the world that doesn't matter. All 1.2 billion Muslims are terrorists and all 1.2 billion Muslims are responsible for the actions of a miniscule minority. Ug me American me great. You Muslim you evil terrorist. You all die.

I watched 3 people die and many more have their legs shredded in my city by 2 evil b*stards who happen to be Muslim. I don't hate Muslims. I only hate the 2 that did this to us. The other 1.2 billion have done nothing wrong.

We're more likely to be a victim of Angry White Guy violence than any attack by pseudo Muslims.

You certainly can have any religion preach peace while condoning evil.

Jim Jones and David Karesh come to mind as well known Christian examples, Bin Laden and company as Muslim examples.

How does Christianity condone Jones or Koresh? How does Islam condone Bin Laden and co?

Slavery and Manifest Destiny spring to mind as historical US evils, supported by Christian thinking at the time.

Yes, but, people condoned them, not the faiths.

The problem with your framing of the Radical Islam issue is that you excommunicate adherents and try to wipe away their own claims instead of recognizing that they don't represent mainstream Islam any more than the whacked out Christian examples I gave do represent mainstream Christians.

Radical Islam is an oxymoron. Islam is not radical. I recognize that they not only don't represent Islam, but are not part of it. It's non-Muslims who insist they have valid claims on the faith and the faith community, not Muslims who do.

There are those who lump all Muslims into the extremist mold, but as I stated earlier in this thread, there is no resemblance beyond verbiage between mainstream Muslims and Radical Muslims. Two very different groups.

That's why we don't relate to them or feel that we're responsible for them.

Let's say we started having terror attacks by Catholics, that killed thousands. All the attacks were made in the name of Catholicism and aimed at furthering some radical view of Catholicism. Let's also say the Pope and leadership of the church rather than denouncing them and helping stop them, attacked anyone that drew a correlation between the attacks and Catholics as Catholic phobes.

Tell me you would not draw some conclusions.

Catholicism got a big black eye because a select few in the leadership allowed child molesters to operate with out punishment or condemnation, Tell me why we can not hold Islam to the same standards or even dare point out that a problem is present.

Islam is a faith, not a person, but, let's suspend reality for a while and go with your train of thought, which I find fascinating. Tell us what Islam has done that it needs to fix.

History is full of people from all religions doing what said religion disallows!

Sure, but what I don't get is how the religion is to blame for that.

It's a shame that the extremists in any religion, or political party, or organization of any kind cancel out the majority.

When does extremism cancel out religion? I'm curious about how elastic a religion must be to include people who do what the religion disallows.

I have heard some condemnations. I have also seen some strong shows of support from some clerics.

The majority in here, have refused and pointed out why should they condemn something they had no part of, but continue to label anyone and everyone who might point out anything negative an Islamaphobe.

Muslims don't appreciate being told when and how to react to tragedy. It implies that, because they're Muslim, they wouldn't do it on their own.

Has it even been proven decisively that this is a religious-based act?

No, and it hasn't been proven that the religion would be Islam anyway, since Islam condemns what they did.

I can't imagine people expecting me to "condemn" or apologize for terrible acts I had nothing to do with - all because the actual criminals say they're representing my religion.

Why are some non-Muslims constantly demanding that we accept terrorists as part of our community. Why do they insist that we redefine Islam as a faith that condones evil AND condemns evil. What religion does both? But, that's what we keep being told we must do. Whose agenda does that serve?

If I identified myself as a christian, which I don't ( nice assumption) and there was a world wide network of people that "IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY" had killed thousands and thousands of innocent women and Children, and I was constantly pointing fingers at people who dared say anything negative about Christianity, Yes I would speak out.

"Christians" killed thousands and thousands of innocent people for hundreds of years. Using today's logic, Christianity shouldn't even exist anymore, having been hijacked by extremists for centuries.

I as a Muslim believe that while some of us might not feel the need to condemn each and every act of violence from extremists to the non Muslims.....we do need to speak out loudly to the extremists that we condemn what they have done........and that their acts of violence is not acceptable in Islam.......

just my opinion

sara

How many "Muslim" terrorists do most Muslim encounter on a daily basis? In contrast, how many bigoted, hateful, arrogant non-Muslims do most Muslims encounter on a daily basis?

IRONY-- Most of this Radical Islamic based Terror, and most of the heated charges of "Islamaphobe" constantly being hurled on this board is because they think we slander Islam. The Biggest negative image Islam has to today is because of the radical terrorist, but it's not their place to condemn then.--IRONY

The heroes of the terrorist movement are the non-Muslims who assist their cause by repeating their agenda over and over, insisting that normal Muslims must accept terrorists as part of their community and faith. That's their agenda, not ours. Why push it for them?

If it were isolated to these two guy, then you are correct. However when you have an organized world wide network of terror and those people do it in the name of Islam, then I think maybe it's time for some PR.

I hear what you are saying about these being an isolated few, but evidence suggests that is not the case. An Isolated few despised by almost all Muslims could not operate and train the way these people do.

Yet every time it happens again we hear no outcry from the Muslim world. There is no outcry on this board. Do you remember Benghazi ? All we heard about on this site was that awful movie and how becuse it slanders Islam they had a right. Soon as it was proven it had nothing to do with the attack. SILENCE

I am so over folks who complain that Muslims are silent about terrorism. I'm convinced that low information posters are not worth the time they demand for others to repeatedly explain things to them that they should know by now, if they really cared.

"Muslims/Islam" are as responsible for this bombing as "Christians/Christianity" are for abortion bombings. Yet both types of bombers use those respective religions to justify their actions.

Reality, deal with it.

It reflects on solely the nuts which commit these acts. Pretending they don't exist is pure nonsense.

Who's pretending that nutters don't exist? Coming here can lay that myth to rest. However, you can't have the same religion condoning evil and, conversely, condemning evil. Those of you who insist that Islam does both need to get real.

Nope. Radical Islam has cornered the market.

Actually, radical stupidity has them beat.

Maybe the bombers themselves left a clue...

"BOSTON (AP) -- The two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon appear to have been motivated by a radical brand of Islam but do not seem connected to any Muslim terrorist groups, U.S. officials said Monday after interrogating and charging Dzhokhar Tsarnaev with crimes that could bring the death penalty."

AP: MOTIVATED BY RELIGION

Try your post without the last paragraph.. works much better... Maybe drop the "islamophobes" word, wreaks of agenda... also I find the last sentence very ironic coming from the religious side.

You are right of course, you have nothing to apologize for but then I did not need one more bombing in the name of religion to hold a dim view of religion. That ship sailed long ago.

You're the one who needs to do some rethinking. Appears? Seems? Not exactly definitive statements, but more speculation. Is such a low bar really acceptable to you?

I agree. But in our society, silence can be interpreted as complicity. Probably would help their public image by distancing themselves from extremists. I'm sure Fox news is already all over this.

That's been done for years. No one is paying attention, as you just proved.

I honestly do not know. Is there a world wide network of Christan fundamentalists that kill and blow up 1000's in the name of God ?

The US military.

Good, if Islam really starts speaking out loud and clear against these idiots maybe there will be fewer and fewer of them

Islam is a religion, not a mouth piece.

Maybe the could profile the members of the Islamic hate group and trace them all down, and lead to more individuals that may be involved. But wait that would not be politically correct. Making sure the Feds can track every move and bullet a legal gun owner makes would be cool right ..

Epic fail.

Hate groups are not Islamic. That word is thrown around to the point where it no longer has any relationship to what it really means.

We feel western Civ has a bad impression of us. So let's go slam some jetliners into a building, blow up some ships,kill 1000's off innocent women and children, that will make them like us .

Apparently, the largest impact it had was to make a lot of Americans dumber. We're on a slippery slope that allows our government to strip civil rights away in the name of public safety. The Martin Niemöller poem comes to mind.

He criticized them, not Islamic terrorism, Islam or Muslims. He was very specific about that.

Do you believe Islamic terrorism exists?

Does any Muslim believe Islamic terrorism exists?

Terrorism is not Islamic, so, no, Islamic terrorism does not exist.

Does Kenny Chesney need liberating?

From Renee Zellweger, yes.

Maybe the real key should be the motive. If a Christian bombs a Moque in the name of Christianity, Christians should ensure Muslims that we do not stand behind him, considering he used radical Christianity as his rally cry. I don't know that this particular guy did what he did in the name of Islam, but if he did, Muslims should condemn it and him.

Everyone should condemn him. There's nothing special about Muslim condemnations.

You people crack me up. Muslim after Muslim terrorist attacks happen time after time. All I hear is Islamaphobia etc .You all tell me how the press never coversthe good Muslims.

A group of the good Muslims condemn the terror attack and you say they should not have. There is no satisfying you all.

I thought them condemning the attack was a positive thing, and I don't think they apologized for them.

So you don't think Muslims condemning the terror attack is good ?

Angry White guy mass attacks happen more frequently. I have yet to see a movement of White guys speaking out against their own kind. White guys scare the ####### out of me now.

Give me a break, if this was two white kids, they would have dismissed it as mental problems and called it a day.

And you can dislike Obama all you want, but to attack him on something that presidents have been doing for quite some time is a bit much.

They are two White kids. They are White Europeans.

Right wingers have been targeted for three days by people assuming... HOPING... that the bomber was some sort of tea party nut job. Now that's it's revealed that he was in fact a muslim terrorist People like Chris Matthews came out and said he expected it to be the work of a right winger.

Now we look to where they had the training. They strongly profess a radical muslum views on their website like you tube and face book IF what we are reading is correct. So the Muslum connection is there. While there are mass murders commited by whitey.It does not to be in connection with their faith.Perhaps I am missing something.Please post a few link to show otherwise. Perhaps in Wisconson at the Sikh temple maybe.

The uncle I thought made some very profound statements. To bring shame.... something that would be heard in china. This is somthing lacking in our culture here.To bring shame to me is a strong statement perhaps from bring around the Chinese population.

Using your logic, show me how when Andres Breivek killed Norwegians in the name of Jesus, he wasn't a radical Christian. Christians all over denied that his act had anything to do with Christianity, and they were right. Why is it that non-Muslims think they get to decide what Islam is, who practices it, and what its relationship is to terrorism when they don't apply the same methodology to nutters among their own ranks or allow outsiders to define them and their faith.

White guys who murder aren't identified by their faith, so, there is no consideration of whether it paid a part in their demented acts. There is no evidence that these WHITE GUYS (they are White) did anything for Islam. In fact, their acts are more analogous to James Holmes, who killed more people, or the members of the IRA, who killed to defend their homeland; they were Chesnyans, after all.

Are you kidding me? Show me a president that's had his birth certificate demanded after he took office. Show me a president that's been interrupted while speaking to Congress, show me the movements that have formed after his election. This president has endured things no other president has and ever will go through. Sorry if I don't think he's gotten a free pass.

Even I can see he gets a free pass. The lamestream media licks his azz on a daily basis.

That's that's the key word.

The terms "Radical" and "Islamic" don't belong together. One can be one or the other, but not both.

What these guys did is part of the Angry White Guy Mass Destruction Movement, growing rapidly in the US.