siliconeslinger

Thank you for your reply,

After analayzing the past few years VB's i came up with the conclusion that bulletins start to accelerate from the month of June (the next vb) so if i saw no obvious progress i'll completly lose hope.

Being slected and not getting interviewed is way too much worst then not being selected at all!

Yep indeed it is

I'm sorry to tell you but no, the chance of you getting interviewed is little to none, not even AF70,000 will get either, basically people whose cn is higher than

AS10,000

AF60,000

EU40,000

are ######,including me. We can only hope to get selected again with a low cn in dv16

My cn is as136xx,i was initially quite optimistic about getting interviewed because the first few vb were promising, but then half a year went by and the vb progress keeps on getting slower and slower to the point that its now one thousand behind last year..

Hank1 what about my CN is it safe 13,6xx, its only a few hundred above 13,350 what percentage is it safe

I'm not from nepal or iran

I would not say it's risky, but it's not 100% safe either. Unless you are from Nepal or Iran, then it's very risky.

2015 should be more or less the same as 2014, meaning the regional quota are pretty much the same. There are many factor at play which we have no clue at the moment such as density and issue rate.

How many percentage it's safe?

No im not from either of those countries

It's only a 273 increase from DV2014 cut-off number, too much to ask for?

I will make no bone about this, your number is high and risky.

If I were you, I would probably keep all the documents at hand just in case a jump in the cut off. But definitely would not hold my breath on this case number.

Ok, so for DV2015 there "should" be fewer people left out...

Again, I'm gonna reply to myself.

In DV 2013 they selected 15,885 from AS and it went current in Aug and Sept.

In DV 2014 they selected 23,270 from AS and the highest number is 13,350.

In DV 2015 they selected 20,002 from AS. I think the highest number will be around 18K given the fact that we now have DS-260 and to make it up for AS from the previous year. Because Iran and Nepal took around 7K and the rest of AS only had 6,350.

Is my theory right?

I believe this will cause higher cut-off numbers. They also need to make it up for AS in 2015 as 2014 was not good.

It looks like they opted to 140K selectees to avoid the Current situations in Aug and Sept but they ended up with lower cut-off numbers. In 2015 the number of selectees is 15K less, so yes, the rules of the game are constantly changing.

I hope so.. My CN is 13,6xx.... 2014 is by far one of the worst dv..

2015AS000136xx safe or not? , really worried coz this month's cut-off for asia is only 13,350...miss by a few hundreds... I just hope the cut-off to be higher because this year there's no Nigeria + forms are sent online

My number is just a little over 300 in difference between the cut-off (dv2015)

http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/law-and-policy/bulletin/2014/visa-bulletin-for-august-2014.html

Really Awful, terrible numbers, particularly for asia region, only adds 550

So sorry to those whose number is just a bit over the cut-off number...

Will this happen again in 2015,my cn is 13,6xx,just a shy of 13,250...i don't wanna end up not getting an interview because of 400~ in difference

Discuss

This is how you imagine the interview going:

CO: Is your job the same as insurance agent on the O*Net website?

Your wife: Yes

CO: Approved, congratulations here's your greencard! No one ever lies to get a visa, so it must be true!

How it will actually go:

CO: Is your job the same as insurance agent on the O*Net website?

Your wife: Yes

CO: Where is the documentary evidence?

Your wife: You should just believe me.

CO: Wait over there for 15 minutes

(waiting then return to counter)

CO: You haven't provided evidence that satisfies me you meet the work experience requirement of the DV program.

(Hands you refusal letter)

(You spend the rest of your life in Indonesia.)

Ofc i won't answer "you just have to believe me" as sussi said, there needs to be a documentary evidence... Of course they'll reject us if we don't have the evidence..

People have successfully done Work Experience before, but many have failed. There are some threads with good ideas on immigration com. I found a really good one for you in the archives yesterday but I lost it and now I'm a bit lazy to search again.

Just my thought, but if I was the officer reviewing I'd be suspicious your wife is an insurance saleswoman, or insurance company receptionist, rather than an insurance agent. The CO will be very suspicious you are lying to get a visa. You need to prove she does all the mathematics behind the calculation of the policy (values, probabilities, calculation of payments, claim analysis etc?). That she's the brains behind the insurance. Detailed job/role descriptions from the company, training courses completed, letters from customers backing your story. Lots of evidence to match the requirements.

I notice you are doing most of the talking - but you're a passenger in this process. Your wife is going to be peppered with questions by a shrewd american. Will she be ready? How is her English?

Do you want this really badly? Enrol her in English lessons. Get her to take lots of courses at work and request certificates for all training completed. Get testimonials.

Time for lunch.

here all applicants are interviewed in indonesian not english as the COs here are mandated to speak either language given that most people here don't speak fluent english, unless you ask otherwise...so no problem there

receptionist? well i believe she is an insurance agent as the duty listed at the o*net website is spot-on which is to sell insurance to policyholders, you get the idea, the math is done on a computer not in one's head as susi said, i told her to read it and asked her is this really what your job requires you to do ? she said yes..

and no, she isn't covering anything up, nor we will ever be, only idiots will do that

Hi everyone,

I was reading this thread on education and I hope someone can clarify this for us.

One of my friend also won DV2015 but she never finished her high school, although she completed a one year access course in college for matured student which allowed her to gained a place in university.

She then completed a four year degree course in Business Management with a B A Buisness Studies UK qualification. She is now a marketing manager for a local authority.

I also got to know whilst we were discussing the issue that she recently went on further and completed a Post grad in French and Economics.

The query is: Will all of this qualifications helped her without the "High School diploma"?

One does not nees a high school diploma if he has a university diploma as it is technically" higher" than a high school diploma

$150000 lol, yes it's enough, a tenth of that will be enough for a family of two according to the poverty guideline

I thought I had posted links for you to another forum where they discussed how to prove work experience. Did I post it in another thread maybe?

That employment letter you posted looks like it is from someone already employed in the US on H1 or L1 applying for adjustment to green card. So it's not having to prove anything on o-net (as far as I am aware because that will already have been done for them to have their work visas??)

What link? You didn't give me any link lol..

That link just takes me to the main page of the website, so not sure where I need to look, but it did occur to me that "letter of employment or job offer" as you stated it sounds more like from a US company (will help to prove you won't become a public charge) than anything to do with proving work experience.

It's actually sad how many posts one sees where applicants do get turned down and its often just because they didn't read the instructions re either the education requirement or because they left off derivatives on the original application.

It looked like an eligible occupation to me. I was a little surprised.

The "Letter of Employment or Job Offer" listed looks like a USA Job offer to prove you won't become a public charge. It does not look like work experience qualification evidence to me.

I would do everything Suzie says if I were you.

how can she prove to the CO's satisfication that her work experience does qualify, then? my case seems to be unprecedented....scoured the internet for qualification through work experience, didn't find any...lol

i found this at another country's us embassy website " OR documentary evidence of two years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years of training or experience to perform."

i also found this : http://www.***removed***/immigrant-visa/sample-employment-letter-immigrant-visa.html

what do you think?

speaking of public charge, i have a friend in texas who has agreed to give me a permanent address to which our permanent resident cards will be sent to as well as a place to live temporarily until we've settled down and manage all the paperwork for us...we also have a $150,000 saving account, would that be enough to satisfy the CO that we won't be a public charge?

should i submit her DS-260 now ?

Where on the dvselectee website does it detail instructions about what to bring to prove work experience? I must have missed that...

What I said was confirmation of a job title is meaningless as different jobs can have the same title*, and it needs to have detail about the work she does so the CO can check it against the o-net specs. I am pretty sure I did actually talk about this in an earlier post... It may also help (I know others have done this) to bring a payslip etc as the amount of salary earned can often be an indicator as to the level of the job as well. (and yes it will be matched against the country you are in, not converted to USD)

*For example: an investment bank will have thousands of vice-presidents running around. For some big industrial companies, there is only one vice-president and he is second to the guy in charge. Same title, completely different job.

http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/visa/req_docs_iv_interview.html

look at #10

on the DS-260 they do ask "Does this occupation require at least 2 years of training?" and it also asks you to write down your job title as well as your duties...i copied it directly from the o*net website as it does 100% match with what my wife's job requires her to do...i've given you a link to the o*net website rgarding my wife's job haven't i ? its in the zone 4 right ? just confirming...

oh if only i were the principal applicant things would be a lot easier...i don't want this opportunity go to waste as it is VERY HARD to get selected, only 1% chance of winning...i am very lucky to be selected having applied for the DV only 2 times..(4 times if you count me and my wife)

imagine how ridiculous would it be if our application got turned down because of this, to that end, i'll strive to do everything i can to pass the interview..

thanks!

Do you mean, is your wife qualified? Only the CO can decide that. You claim she is at the requisite level, but she will need to prove that to the CO's satisfaction. (Sorry I almost forgot what the actual question/point of the thread was because we were sidelined with tangential debates over a high fraud country a couple of continents away from you.) As I posted before it is not that easy to qualify on work experience, not because they supposedly ask dumb one-off questions in the interview, but because the onus is on the applicant to prove they meet the specifications of the job on the right level to qualify. She will need to bring "a fair amount of detail" about what she does and how she does it etc for the CO to be satisfied.

What does a fair amount of detail mean? You said a letter of employment wont suffice and as good as a 2-week-old newspaper...then what will suffice? Does she need to take her boss to the interview ? Lol...the dv selectee website only vaguely says "letter of employment or job offer"

Huh? That extract is from the country-specific information for Nigeria.

I don't get what you are saying. Don't think they can do what in first world countries? It's actually easier for them to get background info in first world countries because (1) records are much better and (2) they have much better relationships with the authorities. This is part of the reason why by the time you get to interview in these countries it is pretty much a formality if you meet requirements (the above (1) and (2) do of course also apply to a number of developing countries, such as Kenya for example, where interviews are also pretty much a formality), vs some other countries where AP is more usual.

Anyone who thinks they just look at your forms and take most of it at face value is in for a surprise... if you look up the details of what they do, there is preliminary background checks by USCIS and more in-depth ones by the consulate/embassy where you will interview.

So all in all..am i qualified or not?

The DV selectee website says:

"There is a national WAEC office in Lagos where all results can be checked to verify educational level.

Note: Since fraudulent documents can be easily obtained in Nigeria, the consular officer may wish to consider referring suspect documents to the Anti-Fraud Unit, U.S. Embassy Lagos, for investigation."

Which isn't really the same as asking dud questions at an interview. And I don't come from a first world country. But hey.

Again, they don't need to check results beyond high school. It's not necessary, and according to the official US guidelines as per above all high school results can be verified. These guidelines are what the COs use...

I was asking, not stating a fact. It would seem that if you cannot get a police certificate the embassy might be more stringent on background checks. But I don't know - hence the question.

reading from my fellow countrymen stories...most of them said the CO only asked simple, straightforward questions such as : why did you decide to migrate, what will you be doing there, do you have any relatives/friends there, where do you plan to live there, so on...the interview only lasted no more than 5 minutes, of course if you look suspicious they'll ask for more questions but i've never heard of that that often, not really sure though...

Doesn't that mean he's right? I have experience with Indonesian Police Certificates. Australia makes you get one even if the USA doesn't. Anyway you've got to go to the local village police station, pay a bribe, get a document from them. Then take that document to the regional HQ and pay a bribe to get another document. Then go to Jakarta police HQ pay a bribe and get the actual document (and they make you wait 6 hours while they sit around giggling and smoking).

Yeah that couldn't be closer to the truth... Indonesian police isn't trustworthy but hey at least the fraud level isn't that high

indonesian applicants subject to more administrative processing ? i don't get it what do you mean by that ?

Yeah I still think this story sounds very fishy. I know Nigeria has a high fraud rate and I have seen actual department of state documents about it and the methods they use to detect fraud, and I have never seen any mention of that. I still think it's a bullsh1t story. It's not "just using computers for speed". You're obviously not working in a related field. When you go to university you have to show them you know how to work it out. Once you start working you just use computers. No one is going to remember all the formula and methods they use when they had to calculate it out by hand. You've also conveniently ignored the fact that engineers will all qualify by education anyway which makes this whole story suspect from the start.

Anyway quite frankly I'm sure DoS is very relieved to have Nigeria out the lottery, you are correct about the massive amount of fraud.

Even if you were I'm calling bullsh1t on this story. Even in Nigeria you need high school to become an engineer so the whole story is plain nonsense.

I also don't think they have the capability to ask thosw aforementioned questions (formulas, etc) as that's not their field imho..

In both cases the officer went to a computer and printed out 2 pages. One was the question and handed to the applicant and the other had the answer. ( which the officer kept of course ) People can claim any experience and Nigeria is known for high quality fake documents. ( along with a couple of other countries ) I have seen fake claims of education on resumes for technical jobs inside the US for years why would it not be the same for people trying to get to the US. Any engineer learns the method behind the calculation they just use computers for speed I can tell you computers are not allowed in tests at college. But now Nigeria isn't playing the lottery anymore.

Well yeah thank god I'm not from Nigeria

I think it's different from country to country, some countries are stricter than others while some are morw loose than others... E.g Iran and australia iran must be stricter than Australia as their immigration rate is much higher

The documents required are also varied, in my Country a police criminal record isn't needed. but it says "letter of employment"

Cmiiw

I am not in Nigeria, maybe the co in your country is stricter than in my Country?