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Is there any new development is your case? My fiancee also got denied at US Consulate, Mumbai, India. Her interview was on 11/27/2013. I have posted details of my case on another thread.

well I contacted mumbai to see whats going on.. they said they no longer had the case ..it was sent to NVC..have a pleasant day(UUUGHHH!!) I contacted NVC and they said they dont have it..they sent it to the consulate.So either the NVC isnt updated or they are playing tennis with our petition.very frustrating and now no one is contacting us due to holidays.. gotta love this system..

I know how you feel Im in the same boat.. We are thinking about an alternative..I did contact my congress person and they are looking into it.When we were denied we got that letter that said our petition would be sent back into uscis for possible revocation..I called and wrote the embassy the day of his interview..and also contacted my congress woman.When they replied to the congres woman they said it was not denied yet but is in review and processing..who knows what that means.. lets see.. he is looking for a job in a US territory that allows Indian citizens to be there ..Ill marry him there God willing and visit as often as financially possible... I hate this.The distance.. the restrictions.I hope the best for you and all of us who have been devistated by the US Embassy in India..hope they get investigated ...somethig fishy is going on there..how can they deny so many?

You wanna know how I feel Boiler, Pissed off!

I met a man on the internet, a good decent man. We were friends, became more and now want to get married.

We met all the qualifications for the K1, we filed our petition, we sent our proof. He passed the medical, received his vaccinations, got his police clearance. We did everything we were supposed to do. And now just less than a year later we are being denied and not given any reason for it.

We all can sit here and speculate all day, but none of us really knows what was in the CO's head the day my fiance got denied, for all I know maybe he didn't have is coffee yet.

Maybe if the CO had given him more that 5 minutes of his time, he would of realized that we have not committed any fraud, that we are a real couple, that we have spent more time having conversations about life, our families, our jobs and our future than most married ( in person ) couples have.

I suppose I could write a few letters to my local representatives, but for what, I guess I will get nothing more than the the canned letter my fiance got the day he interviewed.

It seems pretty unfair to me, and maybe if the CO's put in a little bit more time, maybe as much time as I have, our result would have been different.

Sorry had to blow off a little steam, and I appreciate the input.

Ok, so should I wait and see what they send me on how to address this? My fiance told me that the CO said she was not convinced of our relationship, so i am taking they think its not bonafide. They kept all our pictures, letters from his family and mine and our chat logs.

wonder oif its the same B*** CO.. My fiance said she looked like me a blondish hair and he thought as a woman she should understand love..lol Im wondering what it takes to convince them..when arranged marriages happen sometimes they meet the day of the wedding..and they fall in love..how many months of pictures,visits,chats and hours of phone conversations can convince them...sick.. what do they want?a demonstration??Crazy when al the websites give all what we gave in for evidence as proof of a bonafide relationship.I think they get a bonus for denying..You know My finace said there were entire families sponsered by a family member in the US and they get approved no issue..sorry.. Im still a little burned..Good luck.im praying for you guys!

this our exact letter... not written on letter head or given a code.The CO seemed pretty sure of herself giving him back his passport and all the evidence..I called right after his interview and wrote letters to my congresswoman concerning what questions she asked him and her general attitude.She obviously had some prejuduces.Now when the Congress womans office contacted they said it was NOT denied and was not sent back...our interview was in nov. It is under review and processing.So raising hell and being in touch with your elected officials I dont think is a bad Idea.Jamaica doesnt sound bad though! Still going through the spouse visa process is more time and money and waiting and waiting.I was just worried I wouldnt have money to make the trip to see him as often as required.My kids will suffer for this but I guess in the end either way it will be worth it to be together.Good luck to you both.Love will prevail!!And might I add this embassy should be investigated for discriminatory practices.Obviously this is 2013 and mpt 1970 where its unheard of that people fall in love and marry outside their race,religion and culture.These biases must end.Let them go after real fraud... not people in love just wanting a life and home together.

Today my fiance had his interview at the Mumbai Consulate. He received a white letter but he said there was no 221g on the letter, but he typed what the letter says. I want to know if this is a full out denial of the visa or are we under AP?

baed on the interview and documents submitted to us consulate general mumabi.

we will be returning the petition to us citizen and immigration service (uscis)for review and possible revocation.

if a consular officer receives information during the interview process that was not available to the adjustment immigration officer at the time of petion aproval and that shows the beneficiary of a petition is not intitlled to the accorded status

then the petition must be returned to uscis for re-examination,because of this requirment,consuler officers will return your petition and additional supporting documents to the national visa centre

us consulate general mumbai will return the petion to uscis within few weeks .

once uscis has received it.

your may address further inquiries on the petion to the uscis natinal customer service canter at -1-800-375-5283

I am thinking this is a denial, but I want to make sure and I need to know what I should do from here.

I read on this and only 1 person needs to live in India for 30 days, that be your fiance, secondly, one thing I learned about India anything is possible with a little bit of bribery help. My fiance and I originally wanted to marry in India and he was going to bribe them to marry a foreigner. Its really not that hard to marry over there in India, and if his interview goes bad, we already planned on doing this in March.

I hope you guys breeze through it.i dont wish this on my worst enemy.Its great your being positive and looking forward..all the best

I can imagine how you and your fiancé must feel, we were very afraid too our emotions were rampant!!...and I can truly tell you to plan for PLAN B,C, and D and have lots of faith....Its too bad that wanting to be with your love has to be deemed by borders!!...and so much paperwork

I want to know how your progress turns out so...please keep me posted. I am a divorcee also and my Husband is 28 years younger then me...lol....very big difference huh....

listen, if you two love eachother who is anyone else to stick their nose in.Life is too short to be miserable.Sometimes we dont understand why the special one meant for us was born after us..I can tell you My fiance is my rock.. hes been with me through so much always keeping me strong and just being there for me. I have called him all hours of the day and night and he always has patience and knows how to make things right again..He always supports my decisions no matter what I decide.He gives me his advice but never expects me to take it..hehe..actually Im very thankful to him .Hes the only man Ive ever met that can handle me..heheThis is priceless.. no way in the world Im letting this one go.I never was INTO younger men.. but he is not typical.I treasure him.I can completely understand why you or any of us will go through all this for that special someone.Ill keep you posted.We will hope,wish and pray for great things to come!

This is a very poor source. Get the information from the right source, i.e. the actual document from the Indian government http://www.gujhealth.gov.in/images/pdf/legis/special-marriage-act-1954.pdf and http://www.karunadu.gov.in/karigr/actsrules/otheracts/splmarract.htm.

Read the language carefully. It does not say both parties must be residents of India. The only exceptions are the Indian states of Goa and Jammu and Kashmir. Does your fiance reside in those states?

Here is a direct exerpt from the act itself: 1. Section 1 & 4 - Marriage between foreign national and Indian - Whether the marriage can be solemnized of an Indian Citizen with a foreign national in India under the provisions of the Special Marriage Act, 1954. Held. A foreigner can get married in India with a girl of Indian Nationality under the provision of the Special Marriage Act 1954. Any two persons in India, where one of them or both of them are foreigners or both of them are Indians can enter into a form of marriage under the Act. [Vatsala & others vs. Sub-Registrar and Marriage Officer and others : Kar L.J. 1981 (1) 294.]

Plenty of people on this site have been successful at marrying under the Special Marriage Act.There are also countless NRIs returning to India to marry.

Sometimes it takes some time, patience, and dedication. If you are looking for a quick fix, I suggest you avoid pursuing a marriage in India. I can guarantee it will be time-consuming, costly, and frustrating. But as I said before, it is entirely possible. For the record, I am a natural born American not of Indian origin.

Do some research on the India portal. There are several interracial couples filing for the CR-1/IR-1 who were recently approved and are still active. My suggestion is to send them a message and ask for advice on marrying in India via Special Marriage Act if that is the route you wish to take.

I got married in a religious ceremony and registered my marriage under a different act so I cannot offer personal experience on the Special Marriage Act.

As I mentioned previously, you still have the option to marry in a third country or you can refile for the K-1.

third country? wich he would need a visa for any place.. any Ideas??

This is a very poor source. Get the information from the right source, i.e. the actual document from the Indian government http://www.gujhealth.gov.in/images/pdf/legis/special-marriage-act-1954.pdf and http://www.karunadu.gov.in/karigr/actsrules/otheracts/splmarract.htm.

Read the language carefully. It does not say both parties must be residents of India. The only exceptions are the Indian states of Goa and Jammu and Kashmir. Does your fiance reside in those states?

Here is a direct exerpt from the act itself: 1. Section 1 & 4 - Marriage between foreign national and Indian - Whether the marriage can be solemnized of an Indian Citizen with a foreign national in India under the provisions of the Special Marriage Act, 1954. Held. A foreigner can get married in India with a girl of Indian Nationality under the provision of the Special Marriage Act 1954. Any two persons in India, where one of them or both of them are foreigners or both of them are Indians can enter into a form of marriage under the Act. [Vatsala & others vs. Sub-Registrar and Marriage Officer and others : Kar L.J. 1981 (1) 294.]

Plenty of people on this site have been successful at marrying under the Special Marriage Act.There are also countless NRIs returning to India to marry.

Sometimes it takes some time, patience, and dedication. If you are looking for a quick fix, I suggest you avoid pursuing a marriage in India. I can guarantee it will be time-consuming, costly, and frustrating. But as I said before, it is entirely possible. For the record, I am a natural born American not of Indian origin.

Do some research on the India portal. There are several interracial couples filing for the CR-1/IR-1 who were recently approved and are still active. My suggestion is to send them a message and ask for advice on marrying in India via Special Marriage Act if that is the route you wish to take.

I got married in a religious ceremony and registered my marriage under a different act so I cannot offer personal experience on the Special Marriage Act.

As I mentioned previously, you still have the option to marry in a third country or you can refile for the K-1.

I read on this and only 1 person needs to live in India for 30 days, that be your fiance, secondly, one thing I learned about India anything is possible with a little bit of bribery help. My fiance and I originally wanted to marry in India and he was going to bribe them to marry a foreigner. Its really not that hard to marry over there in India, and if his interview goes bad, we already planned on doing this in March.

My fiance said he will look into the particulars..I was told both people need to be residents.. he is in karnataka.. not any of those states.. bribery ..good if it works..hahahha.. If the congresswoan cant do anything than we will try this if in fact we can do it. But I can only stay a maximum of 3 weeks in India at a time. no one can keep mychildren more than this and I will lose my job if i take more.. I just dont want to get rejected.Thanks for giving us hope!

After we got married in April of this year we just applied for marriage visa it is now in process, We are waiting for the outcome! and I pray we get approved. When my husband got denied his fiancé visa we both were devastated. so we went with plan (B) which was to go ahead and get married. We have been a total of 3 1/2 years together He lives in London now and I am in the U.S. waiting on our I-130 approval.

I went to him in March of this year to London and we got married there. I stayed with him for one month and a week after our wedding I returned to United States. We also had a foolish lawyer who told us the same thing, that all our papers, co-sponsors were in order and everything was strong and there wasn't any problems and that we should get the visa!....well wrongggggggg.

I hope everything works out for you and your fiancé.

thanks !All the best with you two !Ill be praying for you!

You sister in law is Muslim?

I have never been to India, I had Indian friends in the UK and certainly there marriage choices seem to have involved the Family. I was forever hearing about the pressure from Mother.

my sister in law is christian. His family would have preffered to pick his bride.He was working since age 14..lived away from home most of the time.He managed to get an education and support his family.he's his own man.when you spen 15 years away from mommy.. you respect her and love her but if your the supporter of the family than her opinion counts but HE felt he had the final say.She likes me.. but would rather I not be his bride but remain a friend. Hes a little different than a lot of his family.Actuallly his brothers are also very open minded...depends on the person.India is not like it used to be.

So what reason did they say, they must have given a reason.

Never heard of it being for religion, but then this situation may be a first for VJ.

well actually Ive seen it in a few places where someone was hindu and other christian..maybe there were other factors.. but certainly she was fixated on this with us.I dont believe the whole"I dont believe you want to marry a woman older than you with 2 kids.." she said this.. Im 7 1/2 yrs older.. not that bad ok? we had solid proof..at least we had everything the website and my lawyer advised us to bring.looking back now I am thinking letters from my family and his might have been helpful but the thing I dont get is why parental approval is so important when your dealing with adults??happens to be my family is thrilled.they talk all the time.he calls them mom and dad.. but apparently knowing my family and children and all the evidence we talk daily wasnt enough proof of strong ties and relationship in the US.My brother and now sister in law had no issues like this..their experience was a piece of cake.my whole family is shocked.. we are devistated

So they refused a Visa because you were of different religions?

looks that way.. she asked him lots of questions about his practice of Islam..does he affiliate with a particular group,Would he call himself a "follower "of Islam,and does he pray as a muslim..all questions they asked..when he said one of the many things he loves about me is even thought he is Muslim and Im jewish we understand eachother and respect eachother so well.. he was going to elaborate but the CO exclaimed"WHAT??!!!?? shes JEWISH?? he said..yes, she is jewish. interview over.. she handed him the paper that said the case will be sent back to USCIS for possible revocation.she said we didnt say this in our application with USCIS.well, Ill be damned but where in the application does it say disclose your religion?

Same thing happened to me and my then fiancé, now husband was denied visa but not by USCIS or NVC they approved us but once it got to his embassy in Bangladesh it was denied there!!...COLD BLOODED...and I believe my income wasn't enough, but I had a co-sponsor we had a BOOK of evidence but still got denied. That was a hurting moment it took a lot out of us but we maintained and never broke up after 1 1/2 years from denial we got married on

did you get the spouse visa in the end? Im scared ill get denied this too.how can you comingle finances when you live in different countries..It seems impossible .I also had tons of all the evidence they said we'd need.. my fiance answered everything honestly.we had a very strong co sponser.Now we are trying to think of what to do..

Who has told you staying in India for 2 months is the only way to get married? Incorrect. I got married in India and it took less than a week.

Individuals marrying in India must have proof that they have been in the country for at least 30 days prior to appearing before the local marriage registrar. There is a 30-day waiting period for couples marrying in India. Therefore, couples can expect to spend at least 60 days in India before exchanging vows.

India's Special Marriage Act (1954) requires the marriage registrar to post notice of a couple's impending marriage in the local newspaper as well as on the registrar office's notice board. During the 30-day waiting period, anyone can object to the marriage. If there is an objection, the marriage registrar will make a ruling on the objection, and the couple can go through an appeals process, if necessary. If there is no objection, the couple can marry after the notice has been posted for 30 days.

Both religious and civil ceremonies are recognized in India. Additional Divisional Magistrates can perform civil ceremonies at the marriage registrar's office. Three witnesses must attend the civil ceremony, per the Special Marriage Act of 1954. Marriage certificates issued by most religious authorities are sufficient, and couples do not have to obtain an additional certificate from the marriage registrar. However, the Hindu Marriage Act, which applies to Hindus, Jains, Sikhs and Buddhists, requires couples married under these religions to obtain a marriage certificate through the marriage registrar, though their ceremony can be performed by a religious authority.

Couples must visit the local marriage registrar office, usually located in a court complex or municipal building, to obtain a marriage certificate. In many cases, each individual must secure a "no objection letter," which can be obtained through the U.S. Embassy and will state his or her "marital status and eligibility to marry." After a marriage is solemnized following the 30-day waiting period, couples will receive their marriage certificate as legal proof that they are married.

Couples who were married in a civil ceremony must provide a number of documents to the marriage registrar after exchanging vows. They must submit the "no objection letters" they obtained through the U.S. Embassy. In addition, they must provide a passport or birth certificate to verify their age. They also must prove that they have been in India for at least 30 days; a ration card can indicate length of stay. They also must submit two passport-sized photographs for each individual and a marriage photograph. Individuals who have been previously married must submit the divorce papers or death certificate of their former spouse.

thats who told me.. I got it from a website ...and one other said the same(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/getting-married-in-india_n_1263653.html)

8 years, I don't think that is significant.

8 years is certainly not considered significant...unless your a woman 8 yrs older. then they seem to make an issue..happened to me..Im actually 7 1/2 yrs older.but then they went on religion too.all illigal BTW.according to my senator but I guess US embassies think they can do what you want.As the person in my congresswomans office said..in matters of immigration you are guilty until proven innocent..its horrible.Im waiting to see if she can do anything..Good luck to you both..

Who has told you staying in India for 2 months is the only way to get married? Incorrect. I got married in India and it took less than a week.

religious or legally?

I will be on a plane in a week if it took that fast...

You say the CO made a big deal about your religions... I am guessing that since you called me "meshugah" you are jewish? And isn't Monsey a haredi community? What religion is your husband?

How did you meet? How long did you visit? You are divorced with 2 kids and 7 years older. How old is your fiance? Has he been married before? Does he want more kids? Do you have money? Does he have money? Where is he from?

You keep going on about buying furniture together. Someone who wants a GC would easily smile and nod about furniture if he doesn't have to pay for it. It's not a big deal.

Im young enough to have kids still..manyu if i chose..lol He did mention to the CO about our plans to have a family.He has never been married but that is typical in his family to not marry until in the 30's.He would have rather live in India..so a GC wasnt important to him.We werent planning on staying in the US forever.We had talked about moving to India in 7-10 years after my children were out of school. Monsey is mostly Heredi..But not all.There are all sorts of people living here including Muslims.. Yes he is Muslim.. and if my family had no issue..mom is jewish my dad christian.. than why should anyone else.Im not rich,Hes not rich... our education background is similar. I come from a very culturally diverse family.Marrying someone from another country is the norm in my family.Times are changing. As the world gets more technologicly advanced so does the ability to meet people from other countries online.I met him online.. and we had spoken 9 months before my 1st trip to India. a few months later we got engaged.We have been together almost 2 yrs now.Does this answer most of this?

the "special marriages act" requires a person to be a resident for at least 30 days.What was I waiting for? I couldnt be in the same country with him.If I lived in the same country I would have married him shortly after our engagement.Unfortunately I had to wait for this visa.It takes time and we were furnishing a new apartment.He showed the CO receipts.. but not from the lawyer and of course the CO knows we must pay fees to get there. I had even sent him money to help him with his part of the fees.He did show receipts for this.Plan B is that my congresswoman is making an inquiry.If that doesnt work..I guess we need to go to a place where we can marry legally and file for a spouse visa.I have a real issue making all this happen because of my children and finances..I have the support of my family though if necessary they will help.The main thing is I live alone in NY without any family here.I would have to get someone to take my kids for an extended period of time and again pay all this money and most likely lose my job which wont help things.I havent heard from my lawyer since his"sorry you got rejected" they supposedly have a 100% success rate.Im learning.

Chat logs mean nothing do anyone can chat it up. Heck I know w=someone who chatted with someone over a year and it was fake. You don't have to explain to us.

Also did he tell the CO you have spent that much money (and many petitioners spend twice tat and more.)

I guess what I see when I am reading all this is you are doing all this setting up a home, buying this and that and you aren't married (from a CO perspective.). So they may think why the hesitation. Why not marry now. Not like she never been married.

I merely quoted what you said about getting the family together and the CO didn't like that. You have to realize you are divorce with kids he is sngle no kids so scrutiny is on you and why. It's that simple.

Stop tryig to defend and throw up every reason why you do this and that. We aren't the CO. We are all speaking from experiences we have seen lived and know. Your situation isn't isolated.

Now the question for you is what is your plan B your next step? First step I would do is fire your lawyer who should have known better.

I know many people got married in India and never stayed 2 months. Many things can be done in advance research it. It's up to you.

but He CLEARLY did say we will do a legal court wedding once he arrives when they asked about wedding plans..We clearly said the family loves him..knows him..About "cultural norms" What is a k1 if not getting permission to marry someone from another country in your home country.Of course there are cultural differences.What chance are THEY taking? If someone God forbid does something fraudulent they can be deported as far as Im understanding.Im just defensive because the wound is fresh.We are prepared to do anything to be together.Its just so difficult when our lawyer said what we have is enough and it should go smooth.. We had so much hope and confidence and were crushed.

wedding plans do not mean we were undecided.I am 7 1/2 years older than him .I never said we got the K1 to marry in the US not for him to meet the family.We did this because its very hard for me to go there and legally marry .He wanted to live in INdia.Since I have joint custody i cannot do this. I live in NY and most of my family is in TX.. they all have jobs and the time we can all get together is our family reunion.so my mom suggested this time would be best to get the family together to celebrate our marriage.He has spoken with the family and talks to the kids with video chat.To me this is no game.I would have just married him if finances and location wouldnt have been an issue.I thought this was the proper way to go about things since my brother did this to marry his polish wife...I dont know anyone who choses and buys furniture with a stranger.The point is we talk every day.and video chat several times a week . I cant see why that and the chat logs arent evidence.This is what they asked for this is what we gave.Our vacation receipts and pictures together werent evidence?than what is? I spent about 5,000 of my own money for this..I dont know anyone with a limited income would do that unless they really love a person..

OK....but still there was something there....or something missing.....in your relationship evidence to cause the CO to deny the petition.

I'd focus on that and determine if you should refile after this case is closed or marry and then file CR-1.

OK....but still there was something there....or something missing.....in your relationship evidence to cause the CO to deny the petition.

I'd focus on that and determine if you should refile after this case is closed or marry and then file CR-1.

If there was something missing they could have asked and we would have provided.. getting married in India is not a quick thing.I would have to leave my job and children for almost 2 months..she made a huge issue out of his and my religion...

This here is the issue ^^. and I can attest to this. Seen it so many times for Nigeria and other places and have talked to couples denied because what the CO is concluding is you are undecided.

Your lawyer should have known better.

The "I want them to meet my kids first thats why we did a K1" won't file shows undecisiveness. I want my family to know them all that no way. People need to stop using the K1 as a meet and greet the family. You have 90ndays immigration wants to see "we are getting married soonest they get here we love each other. We will go back blah blh to their country and get married.

You are divorced with kids. I assume you are at least 10 years older than your husband?

I ask because I have really done some research and older women younger men K1's are hard to come by. Think like a CO "why is a older woman playing the finacee' game when she is grown don't she know what she wants."

I urge you to look at what you submitted through a CO's eyes. Stop the can't they see we are in love. They don't know you dear.

And yes someone in a fake, fraud marriage will but and do anything to keep up the facade. Whole families have been hired to stand in and deceive a petitioner. So whats buying furniture. No big deal.

Think like a CO. Does your lawyer even know your embassy or they just a immigration lawyer.

My suggestion (since your K1 will be returned and expired) is to go to India and marry and file a I-130. Right now you could maybe be approved in a few months and have him home by summer.

Sorry this all happen but its just a delay.

The evidence you mention just proves that you are good at planning a wedding and pay attention to all the details. It does nothing to attest to the legitimacy of your relationship. Yes one would believe that spending time together to go over these details is a signal of a real relationship.....but then again.....it could also be a ruse by two people to circumvent immigration laws just to gain permanent entry to the US.

I'm just saying; I don't know your details. I do know that the COs are highly trained and that they usually don't go about denying folks unless they are good reason to. I do also know that certain countries have higher incidence of fraud and that certain Embassies key on different things (and seem to issue more denials) than others.

Maybe all this wedding pre-planning actually hurts your case because it seems presumptive that you'd actually be successful for the visa....if that makes any convoluted sense? All are told to make no plans or purchase any airplane tickets until you have the visa in hand.

I don't know the content of the evidence you provided but wedding planning does nothing to speak about the relationship. Your evidence obviously wasn't sufficient enough.

Maybe draft an "Evolution of Our Relationship" letter that describes how your relationship came into existence and how it blossomed into a real relationship and how the evidence describes the different steps of the evolution of a relationship that leads to marriage and the desire to remain that way.

I was told by our lawyer wedding plans are helpful to an Indian Embassy.They seem to only consider the relationship valid if you have plans there.They asked him a lot of questions about wedding plans..they actually wanted reciepts for our plans..dress,jewelry..etc.our"love story" was the evolution of our relationship.