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So my wife had her interview a couple of months ago and we forgot some of the forms. But now we have completed all the forms and are trying to send them up to the consulate in Johannesburg, South Africa.

I see on the green sheet we were given at the interview it states "The U.S. Government will bear the cost of returning your outstanding documentation to the U.S. Consulate." Both phone numbers listed on this sheet for the Visa call center and DHL within the consulate are disconnected. I have spoken to a couple of people at the consulate some don't know what I'm talking about and others give me additional phone numbers to call. I did reach someone within DHL that knew about this but was unable to help because she would have to give me the consulates DHL account number to charge to their account....

Now after all this I found http://usvisa-info.com/en-ZA/selfservice but still this site talks about "Submit Documents to Consular Section" but does not have any option of creating a shipping label or any other information. I have clicked every link this website has and four hours latter I relies it is just another game from the State Department.

So how in the hell do you send documents up and get the consulate to "bear the cost"?????

Do I have to hire a lawyer in my own country or I need a U.S based lawyer?

You will need a lawyer from the US that is licensed to practice immigration law with the US.

I am sitting on this paper work waiting for someone to help me correctly file it out. Can no one walk me though this damn thing?

Thank you so much. Now, I got it already and sent it back to Thailand for background checks.

Did you do IR-1/CR-1 (DCF) in Korea? If YES, I would like to know what do you do after prepare documents in pack 3? I confuse what should to do the next .

If possible can do you tell the step what should to do after that? Thank you so much for your information.

No I filed from South Africa but the process is the same.

Go back to the information in packet 3 and follow the instructions. If you require help with any step then come back with questions.

To prove that you do not need to file a tax return, you must go to the CFR (Code of Federal Regualtions) or to this site on the IRS and follow it around until you find the information that matches your situation. So I would print out the page and then print out Table 1-1 and then include proof that your gross income does not exceed the requirements. Plus you have no other type of income that the IRS requires you to file a return on.

You are the petitioner, the person you submitted the petition for is the beneficiary and as the petitioner you must include everything for the I-864 you must complete. The US government wants to make certain that the beneficiary is supported by the petitioner and will not become a public charge. To do this they have established guidelines for income in order to qualify. You, as the petitioner, do not qualify. So you ask someone who is willing to be "on-the-hook" for the beneficiary should the petitioner, you, be unable to pay back the government. This person becomes a co-sponsor. You are the main sponsor and in your case, your Mother, is the co-sponsor as your income is below the 125% of the poverty level. The USCIS wants fiancial information from the petitioner even if the petitioner's income is zero and the petitioner has zero income. Plus they want all the proof that the co-sponsor can meet the poverty guideline for their family size plus the beneficiary.

Good luck,

Dave

Yes again I understand all of that.

My question is there is three place that require address information and I'm sure one of them I need to enter our South Africa address.

Person 1 is the person you are sponsoring not yourself. As far as the rest of the form I'm not sure and I'm still waiting for someone who does know.

plan on living. not living.

there's 2 paths here..

1. proof of domicile. You maintained a residency through either outright ownership or paying a lease or

2. proof of re-establishing domicile . You show new lease, new job, letters from parents, etc.

I'm betting you have to choose option 2, for some reason, and NOT option 1.

Canadiens have this problem, and write about it often.

Study the first 4 pages and the last 10 pages at http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/164618-proving-domicile-when-not-living-in-the-us/ nowish.

Yes I know all this BUT what I NEED help with is where on the new I-864 does the US address go and where does our current South Africa address go.

I think it would be easier to file and claim 2,000, short form.

Please explain what you are talking about.

I remember when me and my South African wife were trying to get married in South Africa. I had to type up a letter stating that I was not married at the time and took it into the US embassy. All they did was notarize it as me say "Yes I swear that all facts in this letter are true". Because the US government does not keep records for non-marriages or people that have not been married.

One the the funnest damn things I have ever had to do.

Hello friends,

Is marriage certificate in India sufficient enough as proof of marriage or they would ask for Photos and all stuff?????

This is because me and my fiance do not want to go for any traditional Indian Marriage so cannot gather all the routine proofs like photo and all.

Please help

Is your marriage legal within India and does the Indian government have a record of the marriage?

You should be able to request what is commonly called a long form marriage certificate from the India government. You may need to get a translation of the form because the embassy only really accepts English.

Would anyone happen to know where I can get my fingerprints rolled using the old-school method of ink or the ultra-modern fingerprint scans in Seoul? I need to send them to Thailand to receive my criminal history to use for my CR-1/DCF visa.

Also, if you have received either inked or scanned fingerprints in Seoul, is the fingerprint form in Korean or English?

Thank you all very much,

RJF

You should contact your local police as they should have the ability take your prints and have information on process of background checks.

Anything you send to the embassy must have a English translation along with the original background report.

No, your brother files a I-864.

If brother has a wife, she can file I-864A

So is the I-864a only used if a joint/co-sponsor is married then that 3rd person is required to complete the form?

it's my understanding that the I-864A COULD NOT APPLY in your case, as you DO NOT have domicile there.

again, this is one them slippery things.

Ya just joined, we have an advanced search tool - and many of those i-864 questions get covered in the NVC forum and the IR-1/CR-1 forums. I'm not an I-864 expert by any means - my I-864 was weird as well.... (No, don't ask - I'll write about it maybe after the interview) ..

But isn't Domicile the address where we plan on living in the States?

the i-864A is only used (to the best of my understanding)

if

the joint sponser / co-sponser (your mother) is domiciled at the same address as the sponser (you).

OR

a joint sponser filing the I-864 has joint income with a spouse, that 2nd spouse files the I-864A.

I could, of course, be dead wrong.

No I'm sure your right. I'm starting to think that the new I-864 should replace the I-864a since it asks for the same information.

Ok but my wife and I will be moving into my mothers place for at least the first five months. So does the I-864a apply in our case?

Yes the IRS gives proof - you send the pages of IRS instructions/ rules that clearly state who does not need to file.

Where do I get this proof? Is there a web URL?

Hello,

I am filing I-864 i didnt work for last 3 years i was umeployed what i have to write on the cover letter about not working for last 3 years ..

I can easily say that you will need a sponsor someone that is legally related to you in the US. You will need a letter explaining the reason why you have not filed in the last three years. But I'm also still trying to nail down the letter part because everyone is telling me something different.

You will need to prepare documentation of re-establishing U.S.A. domicile and put that in with the I-864.

So, that's one I-864 on you.

and ONE I-864 on your mother.

If she filed joint taxes with her husband, then the husband files a I-864A.

I am the husband. Wouldn't my mother need to complete a I-864a also?

I have documentation showing domicile in the US.

I still need help on what address goes were on this form.

You are the petitioner. You are sponsoring her.

Your mother is the co-sponsor.

A letter will not complete the documentation as to why you did not file. You will have to include IRS proof as to why you are not required to file taxes.

I'm including my payslips along with my wife's and I year to date banking statements showing the deposits from my work.

The IRS doesn't give proof they can only show that I did not file. Its really dumb if you think about it because why would I hind the fact if I were to file. The more money I make the easier it is to support the immigrate right?

But my question is do mark 1.a or 1.d or even 1.e on the new form? Because it clearly shows that I can only be a Petitioner, Sponsor, or a Joint Sponsor but not more then one. So I'm the Petitioner do I still need to enter my financial information even though I have a vary good Sponsor?

If you have specific questions about specific line items on the I-864, or questions about establishing domicile or what qualifies as enough income or assets, sege, please search this forum throughly and come back with your questions. Don't panic

I really hate creating new threads but in this case since the I-864 form has been re-designed I'm having trouble understanding the old information with the new.

Inky, on 20 May 2013 - 7:03 PM, said:

You are required to submit an 864 regardless of no income or not enough income because you are the petitioner.

You fill out your form with your information and provide the supporting documents.

Your mother fills out her form with her information and her supporting documents.

Oh yeah I know that I must file a I-864 but how I fill it out is my question. I'm really having trouble figuring out my "Status" ether Petitioner/Sponsor or just Petitioner? Also I'm finding that the address information is vary vague on what they are looking for.

Dave&Roza, on 20 May 2013 - 7:10 PM, said:

Have you been FILING a US income tax return on the income (or lack there of) you have been earning in South Africa? If not, then the USCIS will be asking for a tax return from you as the petitioner so I would FILE a 2012 tax return or you will have to show no income and cite from the IRS CFR why you were not REQUIRED to file a US income tax return--this is the one item that trips up most people when they have been living overseas and the USCIS sends an RFE for income tax returns from the petitioner. Take care of this requirement first.

Dave

My Income for 2012 was only $2,000 so I'm not filling for last year. I know that I will have to include a letter explaining why I did not file for 2012.

Have you been FILING a US income tax return on the income (or lack there of) you have been earning in South Africa? If not, then the USCIS will be asking for a tax return from you as the petitioner so I would FILE a 2012 tax return or you will have to show no income and cite from the IRS CFR why you were not REQUIRED to file a US income tax return--this is the one item that trips up most people when they have been living overseas and the USCIS sends an RFE for income tax returns from the petitioner. Take care of this requirement first.

Dave

My Income for 2012 was only $2,000 so I'm not filling for last year. I know that I will have to include a letter explaining why I did not file for 2012.

My wife and I are starting to freak out over this application process and no one will help us because we are in the middle of our application process.

Here is our back story:

I'm a US citizen by birth and have lived in Minnesota in tell I moved to South Africa two years ago. My wife and I meet in Minnesota while we were working five years ago and we married in South Africa two years ago. Now we both want to move to Minnesota to live and work but we are in over our heads.

We have completed the interview at the Jo'burg embassy and they have asked for more paper work. What I really need help with is this new I-864 form because every time I look at it my understanding of what it is asking changes.

My mother is going to be the sponsor since I have no income to show for 2012 and she makes over the 125% poverty line.

So my first question is if I'm the petitioner must I also be a sponsor?

If I'm not a sponsor must I still enter my South African income?

If I'm living in South Africa with my wife but we are both moving to my mothers address in Minnesota how do I fill out the I-864 correctly?