Epsilon

Thanks everyone for the replies,

I am in US right now, I didn't get that much questions. I just told them I was visiting universities and seeing some friends again. They asked me what universities I was visiting. So I told them that, they even gave me some advise if I had time left I should visit some other universities in the area too, since they seemed to have a good MBA program according to them. They also asked how much honey I was carrying with me. And after that they gave me the admitted stamp right away. And I was off to the baggage belt.

So I pretty much worried for noting, another thing learned.

Anyway, thanks everyone for taking your time for replying and reading my posts!

Epsilon.

I won't worry about it. There are a lot of people who go on a holiday for 4 weeks to the USA. Just say visting friends and a holiday. I doubt there will be any problems. I cross the border multiple times a year for the same reason and I havn't encounterd any problems at all. Questions are always minimal. Ofcourse there is always is a risk your friend CAN get denied. But I'll say that chance is 0.000001%. if it was the 4th time this year for another 4 weeks, then I would be more worried. But useally, even then people still get in lol. But what mostly happends when you come that much is that you get pulled into 2nd inspection. They just want to make sure you (with that I mean your friend ) are leaving the US after your visit.

But still there are people who visit they ' boy/girl' friends for 90 days eachtime or so (1-2 times a year). And they usually(There are exeptions of course, but then something really weird needs to happen) get in. On other forums, I have met some people who visit their loved once 2-3 times each year for 2-3 weeks each time and they haven't got any problems. They just state state the POE they visting a boy/girlfriend. No worries for your friend! People make a bigger problem about it then it really is. I am one of those, I can get borderline paranoid about it!

If it makes him feel comfortable, bring some proof. Like a letter from his boss or a college pass. And always a return ticket ofcourse

I doubt there will be any problems at all.

Anyway, I have never ever heard a story of someone being denied in a situation like your friends boyfriend, even not in my situation And if they get denied, then there must be something wrong (Like packing for 3 months when you are coming for 2 weeks for example, or something else that is suspicious) because CBP are usually pretty good in what they do. Getting the bad guys out.

Is it her first or 2nd time in the US this year? Can you tell me something about the travel history?

If you want to come back after a 90 days trip, make sure there is atleast as much time in between. That seems to always go okay. But there are people that manage to stay 90 days, go back for a week and then come back for another 90 days. But like someone else said, they may have been lucky with the officer. Just make sure you have some ties at home (like a job, or a rent, lease or something like that in case the officer start doubting, then you have something to show of your intent of return to convince him that you are a good fellow. ). An officer may think that it is weird to go on a holiday for 90 days, and then another holiday for 90 days when you have a job. Since most people don't have half a year of holyday .

Thanks mate!

I am glad to hear that I can get a lot of stuff done, so I don't have to travel back anytime soon to arrange financial matters like that. And I am sure that whenever you need to do something, I am sure you can do that without traveling to them since thats how it usually works. Thanks mate! You made a lot of things clear to me

I understand, I know you need a F-1 to study. I have done some research about it. So I know that you can work ON a university campus while your doing a master over there.

My question was just if it was legal to visit universities on a VWP. Not that I am going to be send back when I say that to immigration that would be something!

Thank you for your experience I will definitly make sure I will talk to those people. I guess you had B2 Visa while you did it right? Since Poland isn't on the VWP?

So its perfectly legal? Thats good! Have you done it before?

Thanks Gosia and Tito for the advice, I guess talking face to face will help when talking about financial stuff.

Epsilon

Hey Guys and girls,

Thanks for all your replies on an earlier topic, (http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/386841-am-i-in-danger-to-get-trouble/)

And since it would be off topic if I asked a question on that one I decided to make a new one.

In that topic I mentioned that I might want to do a MBA in the states. And since I am going there anyway by the 29th for 2 weeks and since I don't plan on going back to the states until somewhere next march, I might want to visit some universities I have been talking too. Of course, I won't start there anytime soon. Its probertly somewhere fall 2013 or spring 2014 because I need to to arrange everything and I still want to get atleast one year ( or perhaps 2 years) of working experience before trying to apply for one. Since most of them require a couple of years of experience.

I don't want to apply to a university without seeing it with my own eyes, you can't know if a university is any good by just looking at an internet site and exchanging emails without seeing it with your own eyes. So my questions is, Is it legal to visit some universities under the VWP? Just to looking and talk to councilors/teachers/ISO there. I don't want to get into trouble if I mention it at immigration. So again my question is, is it allowed?

Epsilon.

Edit: And girls!

There is still one thing I wonder,

should I keep my story to visiting friends and holiday, or tell them that the 'reason' is that I am visting my girlfriend? I have ever told them that I am visting her in any of my earlier visits.

I don't want to get in trouble for saying the wrong thing of course, but both are true. She is not the only one I am visting. And a girlfriend is still a friend. I don't think its that smart to suddenly change my story.

You guys are right, I am probertly overthinking this whole thing. Just a man's worries... I kinda know that for sure....

The Netherlands is the 3th most developed country in the whole world according to the UN (HDI-index). and I doubt they will expect much immigrants from the netherlands, I guess their forcus is more on nations were the situation is less then in the US. But ooh well I realy am overthinking this whole 3th visit thing and overworried.

But thanks anyone, for your time and advice!

And ofcourse I am not taking any drugs. I actually never thought about it Amanda that they could be thinking something like that.

Anyway, thanks everyone! Have a good one!

Thank you people for all your answers, You were all a great help!

I am less worried now, I guess being paranoid about stuff you can't influence is in my blood. I still know the decision is always up to the border official, but I never had any trouble before, with the law or immigration.

I know there is a pattern in my visits of short stays with a some time between it. I always leave within a short period of time (longest was a 3 week summer holiday in july (which is normal I guess)) and there is always a lot of time between my visits. (A minimum of 2 months, while between october-march it was 4.5 months. And between March and july, it was 3.2 months.) Between the last visit and now (the next time) there is a 2 months and 1 week. Thats 3 times the length I have stayed in July.

But compared to what other people do, they get into the states a lot more then me and still don't get into trouble. I havn't really found stories like that but maybe I need to look more for it . Prove me wrong if I am not right.

Just another question, what effect would my age have? 21 years is pretty young for someone to travel alone and that much, and I am sure it would be seen as a more 'potential' group of immigrants, or is the actually the other way around? like people around 30-40 years who travel a lot to america and stay longer like up to 30 days each stay.

But anyway,

Thanks for the help guys!

Epsilon.

Thanks,

I know its always up to the CPB officer, but I wanted to know if I was in any danger to get refused or get into second questioning for abusing the VWP or so. There always still is a risk, But since the VWP is used for short stays. I though I was okay. Schengen border patrol is always more relaxt to my thinking about US people entering europe, that why she always stayed here longer then I do over there. I am kinda afraid of them.

but I still wasn't sure and kinda nervous about it going for a 3th time this year. And still am, since you don't know how its gonna turn out. But now multiple people said that I shouldn't worry to much since I got ties to my home country, a return ticket and a report of travel where I always leave the US within a short time. Even people who arrive for 3 times and stay longer then me always get in, sometimes they have to get thrue 2nd inspection but I havn't read a case where someone in a likewise situation like me got refused for coming to much and staying to long. The longest time I ever stayed in the US was 40 days or so. But that was when I was 11 lol.

I really hope I am all good!

Best Regards,

Epsilon

Thank you guys/girls for the replies!

I am glad that I am not in danger to get any trouble, that will be my last trip for this year. I know my entry will still be up to the CPB officer. But that makes me less worried about visiting in 29 september. I guess it usually gets ' too much' when you stay for 90 days or so. My next trip will be springbreak 2013, since then I can get off. and my girlfriend will be spending 3 weeks in the netherlands again in December/January.

Epsilon

I guess I am not understanding why now are you scared? What have you been providing as proof of ties to country thus far? Nothing has changed accept your school status. And illegal what do you mean illegal?

Seems you are doing everything right you come and you go when you are suppose to. They like that at the border. You state who you are visiting , IF ASKED. And have your proofs of ties to country.

Actually I never took any proof before, just my flight sced. and return ticket.

With Illegal I wonderd when it actually becomes tricky. The moment that there is chance to get into trouble.

Hi guys and girls,

I have a question about my travels on a VWP and if I may get in trouble for doing things the way I do. I know how the VWP doesn't define any limit to vistits and states unlimited entree's upto 90 days a year.

I since my I was 11, my family always went on a yearly holyday to the US.

Last holyday in 2011, I met my wonderfull girlfriend who I am succesfully dating for more then a year now.

My age is 21 btw, and I met her when I was 19. (just turned 21 couple days ago), my girlfriend is 20 right now and a junior in college. Expecting to graduate somewhere in 2014.

I met her in August 2011 when I stayed in Miami and had a cruise with her, afther the cruise I visited her in Houston.

The following travels I have made so far to the US in the year 2011 and 2012.

-2011-

August 2011 (1 weeks, with my family, I have met my current girlfriend during this holyday) POE- Miami

August 2011 ( after 1 week in aruba, I decided to meet my girlfriend in Houston where she lives, so there is 1 week between visit 1 and 2 in august) - POE Aruba (pre clearance)

October 2011 (1 week) - alone POE- Houston

-2012-

March 2012 (1 week - during springbreak) - alone POE- Houston

July 2012 (3 weeks, summer holyday) - alone. POE- Houston

We do actually see each other every 2 months, she was been in my home country, the netherlands in december-january for 3 weeks, and in may for 3 weeks. (my dad loves her and payes her tickets lol! )

I have been doing research if the way I did things is legal and acceptable, I have been reading a lot of topic's on this forum and other forms. I know admission is always up to the CBP officer. In a couple weeks I will graduate from my bachelor and before I am starting working in the family business I want to visit my girlfriend and other friends in october and celebrate my graduation with them. I will be flying to her 29 september and staying till the 14th. (2 weeks) I will be starting with my job the 16th.

Just not let you guys know, I am not looking to stay in the US or gain residence. If everything goes well, my girlfriend and I will be moving to the netherlands after she is done with her bachelor and she will gain dutch residency and later maybe dutch nationality. My connection with my family and the future family business is to big to every leave the nation of red white and blue bannerd flag (the dutch flag ), but in the future I might do an MBA in the US, since it will help my business skills bigtime. But thats still undecided and unclear.

My question for you experienced people are, am I gonna be in trouble for the way I travel? Like a big chance of getting into a 2nd questioning or even getting refused entry now I am going to try to enter the US for the 3th time, and yes I am kinda paranoid about it. Its because know you can never be sure about an officer, an that is the thing that makes me nervous. But with the trend other people(couple's) do and the way other couple's travel. Am I in a good position or a bad one?

I also asked my dad, who is my CEO too (midsize international company) to write a letter in which he states that I am expected back 15 October to work for him. I will also carry a return ticket. I have never got any remarks my CBP ever, I always tell them I am visting friends or holyday. I have never told them I have a american girlfriend.

Best Regards,

Epsilon