Adriana&Karel

Great advice, i will try this.

Thank you!!

I have to agree with Jay-Kay... The consulate is throwing up roadblocks! They're specifically citing a) old information and b) just trying to find a way to prove themselves right when they know they're wrong.

Which, unfortunately most of all, is their prerogative.

It would have been nice if they had just said, no, we want to see a family member co-sponsor or no you need to have a job before we accept a co-sponsor, but they didn't. They threw "banana peels" onto the track. Well, I bet you can pick yourself right up and throw them back later, when they're even yuckier, but I bet you can do it with a smile. Best of luck to you! I hope you guys can get this all worked out fast. At least you know what you have to do!

This explanation from them makes no sense. No one involved is supporting 2 households and they stated 2 households of 2 people each(which is 4) needs enough for 6 people. What sense does that make? The policies of your consulate are all out of whack and a bit ridiculous.

It seems like they did not like that it was a friend and not a relative that lives with you. If your mother had enough income, it seems like she would have been accepted as the co-sponsor. It is as you stated, you will have to get a job to satisfy them on the financials. Perhaps they are similar to Pakistan and just want to see the USC petitioner makes an effort to be employed. They reject a co-sponsor when the USC is unemployed and think the USC will never work so the immigrant is at risk of being a public charge.

Sorry you are going through such a hassle. No matter how wrong they are about the guidelines and support issues, they have the final say and you have to go along with whatever will get you an approval. Good luck to you, and I hope he gets the visa soon.

Thank you...it is exactly what i thought.

Although it makes no sense for me to argue with them and try to prove them wrong its what i felt like doing, but if i continued to email them i would only worsen the situation so i gotta do what i gotta do, leave whithout him, go through the grieving process one more time, get a job and prove to them i can support my man like he does with me while im here...sucks to think that when i started it all i had the perfect job and everything was going smoothly.

I know i should pass this too.

Thanks for all the support!

yeah, but then again....she doesnt have to pay for any housing and has no dependents.

and on my household...i have a child who is partially dependant on me and i have child support to cater her needs...i still dont get it.

But it doesnt make any difference now and it doesnt even matter anymore, i will go back and get that job and send the paper along with the same co-sponsor just in case.

Right....if the co-sponsor is not living with US then he would have to support 2 households...hers and ours!!....i thought it was supposed to be just his household plus fiance. But i guess i was wrong.........or thats what they want me to believe, i dont know anymore....i dont get how a household of 2 just because does not reside with me it has to be 36,000 a year instead 19,387

Lol, I never suggested you can't read, either, but, anyhow, exactly. So therefore, the CO probably didn't see this co-sponsorship working out due to the salary of the USC and the farce that he would supposedly be the one supporting her while the USC is supposed to support himself and her child with zero salary.

The co-sponsor at this point is merely to fill consular requirements, by the time of the wedding and the AOS i would need the real sponsor, a Job or both for the I864.

I understand why it might seem shaky, but with zero living expenses due to living with my mom, a child support of 500$ monthly, savings and the possibilities of finding another job i dont get where the FARCE is that my friend would "Supposedly support" my fiance not me...and only while he is on the K1 status.

But then again, it all goes back to the CO mood that day, or God knows what...they are the ones who make the decitions, and as a prove is what they replied to the email that i sent yesterday.

Joint sponsors who do not reside with the principal sponsor will be considered members of a second household. As you may see from the poverty guidelines, splitting the sponsorship between multiple households will increase the minimum required total income, often substantially. For example, two households of 2 people each would require a minimum income of $36,424, while a single household of 4 individuals would only need $27,562. It should be noted that these are minimum requirements; as you can see below additional proof of support may occasionally be required in certain cases.

I never read anything about this before, I never knew this is how they see it. I though that as long as your co-sponsor had enough money for their household size (125%) , stable job and upto date taxes, that would be enough. My friend has no dependents so her household size should be 2 right (her and my fiance)? meaning her income at a 125% should be more than 19,387....Well, she makes 30,000 a year. Yet, it was not accepted because i need someone who makes more...c'mon!! This is BS!!!...it would have been better to just tell me "Honey, go get a job and see you back here in a few months" it wouldnt have bother me as much as this ####### above!!

Oh and get this, the Poverty guidelines sent to me on that email are from 2009...you can tell they care to help!!

It is so frustraiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have sent like 5 emails already and their answer is always short, not what i was asking, confusing, etc.

It is just like another VJ member above said....dirty road with banana peels everywhere.

For now, me and my fiance have to be separated one more time, for god knows how much more...this is making me so angry and frustrated!!!!

But there wont be power, law or person able to keep us from persuing our dreams and being together.

Lets just pray it would come to a happy end...i need this bad

As the applicant I can understand at least a little bit about how your man feels... Give him a day or 2 and in the mean time figure out what you gotta do to get this DONE and dusted.

Show him the steps you need to take. You guys were served a massive blow, but you got it covered. Get back on the horse when you're ready. Remember: amor vincit omnia xo

Thank you very much, he is very sad and angry. His biggest issue is not really the fact that we got that blue paper, is the fact that he has to "prove" to anybody but me his love and ability to provide now or later. He hates the idea of not being able to just marry me and be happy, without so many obstacles in between. It's a good thing you gave me your perspective as i dont really know how to handle it, I am really sick right now and was at the time of the interview but i couldnt possibly not go to give him some moral support. But know im between my really bad flu and sadness, short for words or acts of kidness to ease his pain. I however told him, neither this or anything would possibly make me give up on us.

Thank you guys!! Better luck to you, I'll continue working on my case for now and let you know how that goes!

Embassies are not required to accept co-sponsors. They are not even required to need evidence of support (that requirement falls on the AOS), it is just usually asked for as to anticipate any problems for the AOS.

These two facts alone should indicate to you the subjective nature of any decision making on the part of the I-134 and co-sponsors.

And it wouldn't be a far stretch for them to see that your co-sponsor is only making $30,000 and that he/she will, not only need to support his household with that salary, but support your family of 4 with it as well. That is 5 people. 125% of the poverty guidelines for 5 is $34,463.

It actually doesn't surprise me then that they want more. It's not a denial, just a request for something less shaky.

Thanks for the input.

My friend has has 0 dependents and my houselhold would be only me, my daughter and my fiance. As far as i understand she doesnt sponsor me. I dont know where you get i have a family of 4 and that she would have to support 5 people.

I had the same situation and it was easily corrected. I was a student with no income ( from working ) however I did have child support , student income, and my home is paid off free and clear . The embassy said they do not except co-sponsors in K-1 visa cases and they also would not consider my child support or assets. They told me I had to get a job.At first I was marked public charge but I ran out and took the first decent job I could find . My income was UNDER poverty guidelines but the embassy accepted it. After I received my third month of paystubs they emailed me to say that I had met financial requirements and now my case was pending normal Administrative Processing.

All they wanted to see was an effort !

Thank you all for all the words. I emailed the embassy to get a more specific reason as per why we were denied.

Looking deep into it i can safely say it has probably a lot to do with the fact that i had to leave my job a month before the interview, I tried to keep it as long as i could but i had to move out of my place and it was really far from my moms to there without a reliable transportation. I didnt add any info about my previous job to the i134 because at the moment i am unemployed and did not want to lie by leaving the old i134 that was filled up back when i had my job.

I went from great to bad in a couple of months, and i understand all the reasons for the hold up to our case but cant help but feel frustrated because i had all my ducks on a row and all went downhill too fast. I just hope my case can get easily resolved as yours, i am going to wait for an official response from the embassy and take it from there, i dont mind getting a job, i have always worked and im not afraid to doing so at all...i dont want to be a charge for anybody let alone the United States. I just dont want to be separated from my soon to be husband, but i guess it all looks like i might have to go back to the States without him, once more....get a job and hope for the best.

Thanks!

I will keep you all posted

How much time do i have to try to find another co-sponsor? Does anybody knows?

they gave your fiance a timeframe in which to get this new stuff submitted -

what was the timeframe?

I've read of other IV Units giving up to a year, to get a new I-134 in.

i was there at the interview, i was never said how long, but a year seems fair.

Their decision is for your best interest as those income levels, which are quite low, are designed to ensure that there is some minimum with which to work with to get the new immigrants to be settled into the US. If you can't find enough, then you have to withdraw and wait until you make enough and file again. It's all for the best and this requirement was known before you began.

I know it is, and i also knew this when i began the process, but things change...when i first submitted the package i was more than able to support him all on my own, then i had a car accident and lost my job, so i had to find me a co-sponsor. After that i had to move far from my job and without reliable transportation i wasnt going to be able to keep working there...i though my co-sponsor would work...But today i was told no and the rest is history.

Yes they gave him a blue paper!

I went to the interview with him and even though i asked why that decition was taken the officer did not explained on detail. He only said i needed to get me another sponsor with more money. Maybe is because she hasnt been working there for too long. I also pointed out i wont be paying any rent as i would live with my mom and that my friend and sponsor makes 30K a year, they never asked for child support papers showing i indeed get 500 a month.

This embassy hardly denies people from what i heard, and they do accept co sponsors.

Does any body knows how long do i have to find another sponsor?

Thanks!

We went to the embassy filled with hope, got all our paperwork in order and very well organized. Passed the first interview and got denied on the second one. The reason?? I need a new I-134 a bigger earning one, my co-sponsor friend, has no dependents and earns 30,000 a year working with ESPN. Granted, when i first submited the paperwork i was working, but since i had to move i was not going to be able to keep my employment, so i firgured with 6000$ child support and paying no rent plus this co-sponsor, it should be enough...right? Well, i guess i was wrong, and now all my dreams and hopes go down the drain, we have invested so much money and energy in this and now all i have is emptyness

I have my daughter in Miami, currently staying with her dad until i was ready with this process, she was hoping we would come back together ( my fiance and i) she was even planning a welcome surprise for us, words cannot express how sad i am. I dont even know where to begin from now, my fiance wants me to go back to my daughter and even though he hasnt tell me this exactly i can see on his eyes, he is ready to throw in the towel, he told me he cant no more, this has been very tiring and difficult for us, me away from my daughter and him hoping that we would finally be together, we kind of put all our eggs in one basket and now we have nothing.

They advise us to get a new I134, the problem is i have no one who can do this for me, or at least someone who can make more than my friend, and even if i did, i am not completly sure my fiance would go through this once more.

What can i do???

Hi! I'm gonna share my personal experience. I'm my husband 2nd wife. He separated from her ex wife on 2007 but they finally got divorced on 2010. When he filed my k1 visa he got 3 copies from 2010 and it was never an issue. Actually if you already submitt with the k1 visa she wont need it during her interview. I took one of my husband's divorce decree with me but they never requested it. Take it with you to your interview but is not request

Perfect that's what i will do. Thanks

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Flat-out denied? or were they asked to submit additional documents?

If I were you, I would concentrate on my own case and do the preparation for bonafide relationship ahead of time so I wouldn't cram before the actual interview day.

Each case is different. The consul will assess your case based on the evidences that you submitted and the circumstances of your relationship.

Stop listening to the "rumors", IMO.

Exactly what i was writing....i know its hard not to be worried, but it helps a lot to have the right set of mind and keep being possitive. Avoid the negativity.

There is a saying that goes: Opinions are like a**holes everyone has one....but they mostly stink.... Forgive my lack of delicacy LOL but is funny and soooooo true!

HI

I honestly don't know for a fact and i think it would be a little bit hard for anybody here to say if it is 100% true, but it sounds to me like is more a rumor than anything. The reason being that the consulate has to focus on the proofs they have for the case, i don't think an specific date of the month is going to make a difference on the approval or denial. Have all your ducks on a row and have faith and everything should be alright.

You would be surprise with the amount of negative feedback people sometimes can give you (not necessarily here), but what makes a difference is how you learn how to handle them. Trust yourself and be prepared, if the relationship is real and you have all your stuff there shouldn't be any problem.

Keep your eyes on the prize!!!

Good Luck on your interview

Woohoo....congrats

I am not expert, but usually when someone has a pending petition with immigration they give them a hard time to get a tourist visa. The reason it's mostly because they want to make sure you have no reason to stay in the US, and with a pending K1 process well, it is hard to prove that is not her intention since that is the main purpose of the K1. I really hope this is not the case for your sister (if she tries) and then again this is just my opinion. Also, i don't know if all embassies have the same rules.

Good Luck!

Excellent, thanks for the info. I guess i will pass by the court house to double check and be sure....Thanks a lot!

Hey Guys......

I'll go to the point.

When i first filed for a K1 i got 2 certified divorce decree copies, one was sent along with the application and the other one i still have it with me. I know i have to send this with the I134 and other documents to my fiance, but as i was looking at the date on the court seal, i notice it was issued over 9 months ago. My question is, do theses certified copies expire? is it better to get a new one? or do you think i won't have any problem with that one even if it is from August 20th 2012?

I did a search online but found nothing, also did a search on the forum but all i got was just related to divorce intering with GC or any other process...but nothing on expiration dates....

I hope you can help me...Thanks!!!

You and your co-sponsor fill out an I-134 and provide most recent tax transcript(free from the IRS), letter from employer and most recent pay stub(s). The co-sponsor should also provide proof of being a USC or LPR.

Since your co-sponsor is single with no dependents, their household size is only 2, herself plus the foreign fiance(e). She makes more than enough at $32k a year for 2 people. You are the USC and do not require a sponsor. She is not agreeing to sponsor you, just your fiance.

Your household size is 3: you, your child and your fiance.

This is incorrect information. A co-sponsor does not include the USC petitioner in their household count unless the USC is a dependent of theirs and claimed on their taxes, which is almost never the case

Thanks for the correction, it's even better like that.

One more question though...With the help of child support I make it to the 100% poverty guidelines (5000$ shy from 125%) is my friends income helping me boost mine only or they would use hers as a whole support without mine? I hope that makes sense.

Congratulations and thank you for your prayers! I felt better after reading your post and it's great that you didn't leave us hanging after getting your NOA2 lol

Aww....I'm glad i was able to give you a little bit of hope.

I am always going to be checking on you guys, it's crazy how we get so involve with others situation when we are going through the same!...at least me anyways.

I really hope all of you get a smooth process and speedy journey...i'll keep praying

GOOD LUCK and i hope we all get to be with our loved ones really soon!!

That's an opps! on my part... the form is an I-134. Sorry....

Sponsor and co-sponsor need to complete the forms and provide supporting documents.

yes she needs to include you also.

Ok Thank you very much for the info ...i was going crazy trying to find that I-134C lol

Very straight forward, does your friend include her parents and brother on her tax return as dependents? Big NO there I am sure. So the only ones to be included on the I-134c would be you and your fiancé(e) and your friend. Your friends income must be adequate to support all of you by the I-864P 125% guideline

Very straight forward, does your friend include her parents and brother on her tax return as dependents? Big NO there I am sure. So the only ones to be included on the I-134c would be you and your fiancé(e) and your friend. Your friends income must be adequate to support all of you by the I-864P 125% guideline

No, I dont believe that is the case...

Now, you mention filing a I-134c instead of the I-134, what is the difference between them?

I am under the assumption that i still have to fill out one of the forms as a sponsor and my friend needs to fill out the other as a co-sponsor right? When she fills out hers, does she still has to include me even if i have a job to support me? So, her household size would be 3....(her, my fiance and me)???

And when i fill mine out, my household size would be 3 ( me+ daughter+ fiance) right?

Sorry for so many questions, and Thaaaaanks a lot for the help

Awesomeee......i cant wait to have that feeling....Congratulations!!

First, Thank you all for taking the time to read and provide me with any guidance.

I have research this topic here but i keep getting mixed inputs.

Here is my situation:

A friend of mine wants to help my qualify for my fiance, so she offered to be my co-sponsor. She is single, no kids or dependends and has a good job at a great company making about 32,000$ a year. However, she lives with her parents and her brother.

The doubt here is if she has to include them when calculating the household size??....I mean, I read before that for the I-134 it is a sponsor's individual income that is used. No combinination of incomes. I also read that co-sponsor must qualify on their own for all members of their household + my fiance (and children if applicable). And at last i read too that it doesnt really matter because she would be just helping me "Boost" my income (which its short for about 5000$).

I am soooo confused with all these mixed answers and i would really love to take on her offer since i don't really have many co-sponsor options. How would that work? I am going to be switching soon to a full time position making 10$ x hour, i have 500 monthly payment from Child support, i only live with my daughter and i am in a hurry to solve this situation since i already got my NOA2.

Does anybody have any advice? Thank!!!

Yes, the sponsor can limit the number of sponsored immigrants to the number of people who actually intend to immigrate at that time. The principal applicant must be one of the sponsored immigrants. The petitioner can reduce his/her household size by limiting the number of sponsored applicants. This reduces the minimum income requirement. The sponsor can file another Affidavit of Support for the principal applicant's dependents later when the petitioner and the principal applicant have more income. The principal applicant and any of his/her family members who may have already immigrated must be included in the household size for the new Affidavit of Support

http://travel.state..../info_3183.html

I found an official answer i hope it can be useful to others as well, Thank you all!

Can a petitioner (sponsor) with limited financial resources sponsor only the principal applicant and not his/her spouse and eligible children?

Yes, the sponsor can limit the number of sponsored immigrants to the number of people who actually intend to immigrate at that time. The principal applicant must be one of the sponsored immigrants. The petitioner can reduce his/her household size by limiting the number of sponsored applicants. This reduces the minimum income requirement. The sponsor can file another Affidavit of Support for the principal applicant's dependents later when the petitioner and the principal applicant have more income. The principal applicant and any of his/her family members who may have already immigrated must be included in the household size for the new Affidavit of Support.

I found the official answer on: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_3183.html

Thank you all for the help and i hope this is useful.