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You could have stopped there, the rest was redundant.

Again, your fixation with religion is quite interesting, there must be a story behind it?

I never said our Govt is "bound to Christianity." Where did you get that?

I only proved your suggestion that Pilgrims "fled religion" was; oh so wrong by posting the Mayflower Compact.

The Mayflower Compact is a Historical document having no bearing on law today (or little).

As I have said before, the term "separation of Church in state" is a general term not even found in the Constitution, even so... it implies exactly that; Separation of CHURCH, not Religion.

Clearly all Documents prove this.

If THE FOUNDERS were so set against separating God From Govt, why did they begin each session of Congress with a Prayer,(which continues today) .. Print up Bibles to be distributed throughout Govt and hire a Chaplin to Serve the House?

Your opinion is interesting but please offer something with a little more weight and you just might sway the opinions of others.

My friend, THE PEOPLE have spoken... get over it.

Ok, I tried to ignore your dumb Mayflower references before, but now unfortunately it has to be rebuked. Firstly, those from the Mayflower were not the founding fathers who made this Constitution. They were merely the first colonists. That was 150 years before. The persecution our founding fathers fled came well after that, because they didn't live to be over 150 years old.

Now, moving onto an actual useful issue, here is what Jefferson (although born in in the colonies) said of religion:

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

Jefferson was clearly a wise man, and saw the fatal flaws in the bible that I saw growing up.

And separation of church means separation of support of ANY religion from the state. Obviously that includes churches. A nice quote from Hugo Black, U.S. Justice:

The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."

So wonder what your excuse is to why this country at all should be supporting the religious mentality of protest to gay marriage. Law = state, this law = religious-based, completely disregards the Equal Protection Clause, so obviously should be and will be overturned, as evidenced to this happening several times already. You may not like it, and you don't have to, but gays marrying is none of your business to begin with. Keep your religion out of the state, thanks. You can have your head up your ### all you like and cite the Mayflower, you can even try to (laughably) tell me the gay marriage ban has nothing to do with religion. Everyone knows it does. That's the whole reason it was put up for a vote, to placate to the religious dumbfuckery that the state has any business enforcing religious biases just because they think it harms some inherently subjective view of sanctity of marriage.

Interestingly....

"Whites voted very narrowly against the ban, 51-49 percent. Asian-Americans voted the same. Hispanics voted for it, by 53-47 percent. Blacks voted for it, overwhelmingly, 70-30. Blacks can be said to have put it over the top. Hypothetically, had no blacks voted, we compute a vote of 50-50," according to an analysis by ABC News Polling Director Gary Langer.

So, it would seem that of White, Hispanic and Black voters in California - whites are the least bigoted of the bunch.

Or the most easily Duped by emotional based logic.

I smell a contradiction.

Logic is based on reason. Emotions are based on beliefs. Those against gay marriage go entirely on emotions.

Edited November 8, 2008 by SRVT