100% Al Ahly Fan

I recently saw the movie, Incendies. It's set in Canada and Lebanon and it's about a twin sister and brother trying to figure out their mother's life before she moved to Canada.

I liked this film because it's a drama, suspense and action movie all in one plus I learned somethings about Lebanon's Civil War that I didn't know about.

May I ask why are you so angry? I am just debating your arguments back to you with counter arguments. That is what a debate is, everyone can have a personal opinion, but to say something is wrong about a woman choice to have a child without valid arguments doesn't lead to sound reasoning.

The statement that I have put in quote from you, ends all arguments, you don't have a reason, just a season as why you don't appreciate the beauty of science.

No anger here, just wanted to set you straight. It's one thing to debate but it's another to take ones words and twist them by saying they said things they clearly didn't. You keep showing us that you either don't understand what people are saying or are ignoring it completely. Who said they don't appreciate the beauty of science? Once again, please read what I said -- ya know, that part about IVF being "an amazing medical option" for women of bearing years.

You asked why it's not a good idea for a women past bearing years to get pregnant. That question and the REASONS have been answered several times.

This thread might have been more interesting if we had people to debate with that actually made sense.

Based on your argument it is irresponsible for any woman to have a child thru IVF, because it is a choice. How could you even state that a woman past a certain age doesn't have the factuality or mentality to raise a child. This same statement can be made for any female from a child bearing age group of >15.

Okay, why is it NOT ideal?

Did you even read what I wrote? Who said raising a child at an older age is irresponsible? And who said that women of a certain age don't have the factuality or mentality to raise a child? Not me. Perhaps you better read my comment again.

For families that are unable to conceive naturually, IVF is an amazing medical option to get pregnant, if it works. IMO, I think if a women (of bearing years) chooses to do this then more power to her.

And I do believe your question as already been answered. It's NOT IDEAL for reasons already stated in this thread. But since you don't read through the comments, I'll repeat -- Life expectancy, health concerns, and lower energy levels.

Frankly, we are all entitled to our opinions, which are solely that, our own opinions. So, if you, at 70 want to go and get knocked up...go ahead but when you end up on the international news, you best believe I'm going to talk about your #######.

May 2 already! I can't believe it.

Kids'll be out of school soon.

Hey Jeanne...how are ya?

Rosie, you guys are still waiting?

Tam, biometrics already?

What's the turn around once you turn in the n400?

Have a great day everyone.

Based on what most of you'll wrote here, you'll feel that it is irresponsible for a grandparent to raise their grandchild if the natural parents are unable to do so. What is the difference between an older woman birthing a child and one who has been left with the responsibility of raising their grand children?

Let take out the medical and health reason that could complicate a pregnancy, these issues can arise not matter what age a woman is when conceiving.

It's one thing if the pregnancy happens naturally at an older age because, I believe, God knows best. In the case of IVF it's totally different.

Absolutely, NO ONE in this thread said that it's irresponsible for a grandparent to raise their grandchild. Hell, I know plenty of families that grandparents are the ones raising the children for whatever reason. Having a baby of your own at an older age via IVF and being a grandparent., really? How could you even compare the two!?! I wouldn't imagine there are many granparents out there thinking that "Oh, I can't wait to be the sole provider - emotional, mentally and physically for my grandbabies that my own child can't take care of for whatever reason."

So no, these issues wouldn't arise at an age because IVF is is a choice.

Just as long as he is not disappointed with the TRYING...

Amen to that!

I think that it's not only irresponsible of the parents, past the age of 50, doing IVF but the doctors who preform the IVF should be held responsible for this as well. Unfortunately, some counties have no regards for ethics -- money talks. Hello...Octomom and 70 year old, first time mama.

Yes risks, for mother and babies, rise as you get older; miscarriages, stillbirths, genetic disorders, just to name a few. I mean there is a reason our bodies don't allow us to have babies after a certain age, period! In addition, losing a parent is hard enough but the risk of losing them at a young age is obvious when you are that old having a child. As for adopting, here in the U.S., isn't there an age limit as to how old you can be to adopt, as well?

And Tamera, like the others have said, you are young enough to give yourself at least the next 10+ years to have a child. I'd stop torturing your hubby and yourself with taking regular pregnancy tests. I did that with my first child, which took us 3 1/2 years to conceive. It's very emotionally draining, as I'm sure you are well aware. Anyhow, God willing, pregnancy will come to you two soon, although until that happens, which you wanting a child so much, perhaps considering adoption might be an option?

In the 6 years I've been a member of this forum I don't recall anyone ever taking any advice or "listening" to warnings. Pretty much everyone has to learn on their own. I still give advice but in my mind it's more of a warning than advice. No one wants to believe their relationship is scheduled for the crapper one day. I'd say about 85% or more of the couples that have been through this forum have a failed or at the very least a very unsatifying, unhappy relationship. Personally, my relationship has had some super sucky times. And these sucky times didn't even include infidelity or abuse. Immigration sucks so bad. I would never recommend it to anyone. That being said...good luck to the OP.

BTW the Chuck E. Cheese analogy was awesome!

Can relate 100% about sucky marriage at times, Mirtha, and that's even with sharing the same religion, MENA background and him being slightly older then me!

Personally, I'd rather stick a rusty spork in my eye then go to Chuckie Cheese And that, my friends, is how much I think immigration sucks!

Friday, yay!

Excited to share that my lil man is finally saying some words we actually understand. He started saying boa' for mouth and he says 'ma naam' meaning he doesn't want to go to bed. He's a pro at saying 'go' Yes, if he doesn't like what your saying, my 14 month old will tell you to 'go', in toddler language, I think that means 'get outa my face!' He's such a little stinker! With all that though, his favorite word is still 'la'!

As for the Inshallah thing, it really does grate my nerves as well. It's just a little odd. To me, it would be like my Egyptian husband deciding to use American slang to fit in.

I agree with ya Besty about the marriage of an older women to a young man BUT as for the use of Arabic, I don't have an issue with women or men who want to learn and use Arabic when they can. Actually, I like it when my man tries to use American slag too. It's pretty funny, in fact. His favorite being "that is suck!" or "oh sh*t" being a new favorite of his.

Awesome! So glad to hear this. You have been so strong through out this whole thing. I can't wait to here when he gets VISA-IN-HAND!! Congrats!!

It's Moanday MENA!!

I'm glad to be at work. Whoa, did I just say that outloud?

I'm recovering from a cold and had two sick kids over the weekend as well. In addition to feeling like general crud the toddler is also teething. He's getting some back molars. So he whined, cried and fussed ALL weekend. After watching him, I realized I wish I could do the same sometimes, At least the preteen was okay just sitting around the house watching T.V. Poor hubby had to deal with all us sickies. Hope he doesn't get it since we like to share in our house.

Anyhow, hope everyone has a great week.

Wa Salaam Saudiwife, No worries yet,...this is the just the begining This is for the AOS, yes?

NOA1 will probably come by the end of this week but they say it can take up to 30 days.

Remember, God is Great, Tany! God willing, things will go well and we'll be hearing a big sigh, cry or shout of relief from you soon

After all you two have been through, this is great news!

Hope to hear he'll be on his way to you soon

Unlimed + would be good. I like the idea of - too

at the and at the other MENA forum is always a blast!

Btw congrats, Rosie, on Farid's upcoming oath ceremony.

Why have limits? Sometimes I agree a lot and like and should be able to like it.

I did that and it said I've met the quota.

SO this really has nothing to do with anything BUT....

I was just reading a post today and I "liked" many responses within it and wanted to click the + to show that I agree although looks like after going a bit click happy I had reached the quota for the day. What's with that? Anyone know why there is a quota for this?

Happy Friday Everyone!! Yay!

Lovely day it will be here in Minneapolis. It's supposed to reach 80 today. 80 in March! I love it! The past two days have been just beautiful. We've brought the boys out and let them have their fun to enjoy this weather since you never know what will happen in Minnesota. It might snow in May for all we know.

Super excited about working only half a day today. I decided the afternoon is all mine! No hubby and no kids!!! Yay for me! Getting hair, mani/pedi and even thinking about a facial done. I'll do some shopping after that and enjoying the beautiful weather of course.

Speaking of shopping, I bought new shoes the day before yesterday and I found that one foot is about 3/4 of an inch bigger then the other (I always knew one was a tiny bit bigger but a whole 3/4 of an inch????). What do ya do when that happens? In case your wondering, I'm serious! I know this is a complete first world problem BUT what do I do? Stick tissue in the smaller foot's shoe?

Anyhow, what are everyone's plans for the weekend? Whatever it may be, enjoy!!!!

This stuff is basic common knowledge I do believe. I've read pretty much this same stuff just browsing the internet. Didn't stop me or my husband from wanting/having a child. Even if we divorced one day, I'd still have my children. Statistics are fine and good but every person/family is different. How one handles a divorce/child custody situation makes all the difference...not statistics. I do hope that one day, you don't look back on your decision with regret. It would be one thing if you never wanted children but the fact that you obviously did want them and were blindsided by your husband's "announcement" is incredibly sad. How you aren't insulted by his hinting that you wouldn't make an adequate mother because you're American and not Muslim is beyond me.

Exactly what I was thinking, the info provided by Olivia can be found just about anywhere. All the mumbo-jumbo stats is a pile a garbage as far as I'm concerned. Olivia you can quote out of those books until your blue in the face if that makes you feel better about giving up your right to have children. But I know plenty of doctors, residents, nurses and other medical staff (I work for a large health care organization) and I would say that the information from those books never stopped the majority of medical folks from getting married OR having children.

In reality, LIFE is a risk. Period. Are you going to allow books or stats (or your husband) to control your life?

Like the above post, God forbid my husband and I divorced but if so, thank God, I have my children.

How terrible. I, too, can't even imagine what she must be dealing with right now. I am so sorry for her loss.