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Unless you can really show rock solid five years, be prepared to show more like 10 years, because they bump off a couple months a year.

This is rubbish and inaccurate.

It is not, it's exactly what happened to us. We showed the CO 10 years of evidence and the CRBA still was denied.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/431566-our-story-crba-for-our-child-denied-entering-the-us-with-a-baby-transportation-letter-and-citizenship-through-the-cca/

Each case is different, no one size fits all.

The burden of proof “physical presence requirements” is on the person making such claims. The consular determined for what ever reason, you did not accrue sufficient physical presence in the U.S. to transmit citizenship. Perhaps in reading “Our Story” (link above) the time, “I did spend a lot of time as a child and teenager abroad through my parents work.” effected the decision? Further more if you parents work for the U.S. government/military as a government/military dependent, ‘you’ your time may NOT be computed as physical presence in the U.S.) if my memory is correct? Anyway your post I commented on is inaccurate, and not how the law works.

Unless you can really show rock solid five years, be prepared to show more like 10 years, because they bump off a couple months a year.

This is rubbish and inaccurate.

I would take some time and read the link below for U.S. citizen parent.

Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA)

http://monterrey.usconsulate.gov/birth_abroad.html

http://travel.state.gov/travel/living/living_5497.html

A DNA test to determine you are the biological father will give you a sound purpose in going forward with the CRBA. However the laboratory you select must be accredited by the American Association of Blood Banks (AABB) any other lab will not be accepted by the embassy/consular officer. More information on, “Petitioner’s DNA Sampling Process” can be found on this link: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html

Or you may simply file for CRBA with the necessary forms, documents and fees and if a consular officer has suggested DNA testing to establish the claimed biological relationship you can proceed at that time for testing.

Is that all enough?

Transmission is between the child/applicant and claimed US citizen, If this is all your asking the above only establishes your proof of US citizenship (in part or whole) and the fact that your married. Acceptance of the above evidence will be at the discretion of the consular officer, and depending on the circumstances, the consular officer may ask for additional material.

I would have the divorce decree of her previous marriage on hand just in case the CO ask

Your child is already a dual citizen, without doing anything.

I have a appointment with the US Consulate on the 25th of this month to give my daughter the US citizenship. I know they ask for 5 years of proof living in the United States. I had my dad sent me a official transcript of my school records. Thing is it only shows 4 years of high school, but then it also shows TB test shots and other kind of shots from my birth year 86 to 87. Plus some shots in 91. Would that count as a year all together.

High school transcripts are excellent documentation as they show a timeline for transmission requirements, school transcripts are very difficult to dispute. Your U.S. birth certificate or naturalization with US passport, U.S. birth certificate should suffices 'transmission requirements' keep in mind you have other pressing requirements such as establishing.biological relationship with the child/applicant and the claimed U.S. citizen parent, that's the tuff-one for many.

Can you use a passport or travel stamps to demonstrate when you were in the US? Are there any other records available that would conclusively indicate you were resident in the US, like being claimed as a dependent on tax forms?

A U.S. passport would be taken into account.

OK then we wil start it at the same time . I just thought we could do that . If it is not so bad then it shouldn't add too much . Be better to get it all done at the same time . I thought we needed the Phil passort for dual citzen ? Is that even an option ? Really doesnt matter anyway it will be one less thing we need to do . Thanks everyone

The child will need his/her PI passport for dual citizen.

It is much cheaper and easier to do it now as with only CRBA cert and US passport the child will incur exit fees from the BI. If you wish to avoid any hassles acquire the PI passport before the CRBA.

I’m not familiar with Nigeria but it’s not uncommon for other embassy timelines, (AP). You need to call or email and find out what’s going on, as with any embassy.

Absolutely!

No, nono. It is "accredited by the American Association of Blood Banks (AABB). Not accredited by USEM." USEM has nothing to do with the

accreditation.

If a DNA test is recommended the petitioner (you) will initiate the process by selecting a laboratory where the DNA sample will be collected. The laboratory you select must be accredited by the American Association of Blood Banks (AABB). To find the laboratory in the U.S. nearest you, visit their list of Accredited Facilities.

Okay, NOT accredited by both AABB and USEM.

Accredited by the American Association of Blood Banks (AABB). Not accredited by USEM.

Yes that may be the best option, do the DNA test first before finalizing the baby's birth certificate and filing CRBA.

You may want to check this laboratory (it is NOT accredited by USEM but you can do the initial paternity/DNA test there): https://www.hi-precision.com.ph/services.do?item_id=1774

Won't things go a wrong turn if the consul demands a DNA test?

Type of evidence would be accepted as proof of the biological child would be as followed but not limited. Acceptance of evidence will be at the discretion of the USEM consular officer, and depending on the circumstances, the consular officer may ask for additional material. The link given above has all the answers you need the process is straight forward IMO and experience. I did and would recommend to acquire the CRBA before the K-1

NSO true copy birth Cert. (child) USC name on the cert.

Proof of parent US citizenship.

US passport with entry stamps (Proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception.)

True copy of NSO Marriage cert. If applies

Proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception. Airline tickets, (Proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception.)

Proof of mothers pregnancy, ultrasound, pre-natal records, hospital billing statements, and pictures. Note: If your child is in the PI with only CRBA/US passport, you need to make sure you get your child his/her PI passport if you do not your looking at costly fees from the BI (Philippine Bureau of Immigration) exit permit and or late fees, when the child exits the Philippines. One plus is with both US and PI passport your child will have Dual Citizenship, with out hassle of paper work/fees down the road. This may take sometime for new born baby’s ( acquiring NSO Cert.)

As for any DNA Do not initiate a DNA test unless it is recommended by the Embassy for your pending CRBA application. A DNA test that is done independently will not be accepted to support a CRBA or Passport application. For more information, read the DNA Procedures. Click here for the

English version. Click here for the Filipino version.

If your proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception.) and other supporting documents are strong, you should have no need for DNA testing. In or out of wedlock... The key points for USEM is USC physical presence in same location at time of conception. Proof of mothers pregnancy, ultrasound, pre-natal records, hospital billing statements.

What type of evidence would be accepted as proof of the biological child ?

Hi guys

We got an RFE for our case (they looked at it, which is great news!) but they are requesting more information on the relationship that my fiancee (Lauralee) had with her mother. Her mother was American, and her father was Canadian, and Lauralee has a birth abroad certificate for her American citizenship.

USCIS stated that the birth abroad form was completed 3 years after she was born (which is true, it was done in 88 and she was born in 85). The problem though, is that her mother is now deceased, so hopefully this doesn't make it any harder.

Has anyone had an RFE like this before? Why would they need proof of this relationship, when Lauralee is already an American citizen, living and working in the US?

If anyone has any suggestions for evidence we could submit, that would be great! So far they listed hospital certificates, church certificates, residence documents, school records, photographs, correspondence, insurance policies, government papers, passports, deeds, social security records, census records, and affidavits (written legal statements), or DNA tests (clearly that's not an option anymore though)

Lauralee and her family were living in Canada until she was 18 though, so any of these items would be Canadian, not American. That should be ok, right?

Thanks for the help!

Mark

What exactly word for word does the RFE say?

Perhaps, speculatively speaking. USCIS question (RFE) is one of “Transmission Requirement” on the U.S.C. Parent, deceased mother? As Penguin stated “Once the CRBA is obtained, that is usually it.” Usually. As for suggestions of evidence the OP could submit, NikiR suggestions are a good start.

Ho Chi Minh City Consulate :CRBA any other US consulate about them same

here is the list you will : FORMS

DS-5507-Afdavit of Physical present & support

SS-5-Social security card

DS-2029-Application for crba

DS-11-minor child passport application

Here what u need to include with the applications for CRBA

-Photos of your weddings, family dinner trip between couples, and a few photos of Mom pregnant

-All airline tickets, pass tubs, and visas of the father visit the wife (this a much have otherwise DNA test)

-Social Security Statement of the father working in the past 5 years, (you can include the tax transcript but they return it to you, they accept it )

PS: we just got approved our son on 05/21/2013

Not sure why your posting anything regarding Ho Chi Minh City Consulate for the OP?

The OP’s consulate is USEM and is past the interview. All that is needed is the additional documents requested by the consulate, none of what you provided helps the OP in anyway, only adds confusion. Read the thread!

FYI! All forms are the same for each ‘U.S. Embassy’ however the CRBA procedure very for each embassy.

You need to go by the airline rules.

Example, Philippine Airline

Passengers under the age of two and at least 16 days old. Infant not occupying a seat gets 90% discount based on the accompanying adult’s fare. Birth certificate is required when buying the ticket.

There is a letter saying "additional documents submitted through mail or courier only" then mailing address where to sent and air21 courier for pick up and delivery of documents to the us embassy..i think I call the courier to pick up the documents...one thing im confused..do I still need to contact the examiner before I mail it?or not?..thanks..oh its embassy manila..

You do not need to contact the "examiner."

Go by the instruction given on the paperwork you received. I would include ( when you mail additional documents) a copy of any paperwork given by the embassy.

Call or email the embassy in a week or two, follow up on the progress!

With out knowing what embassy your talking about it’s hard to help you!

1) What US Embassy are you talking about?

2) Look on the paperwork given by the embassy (list of documents they ask for.) should have the address for mailing, documents they ask for..

3) once it’s approved the embassy will mail the CRBA certificate at the address you provided on your form(s)

Good Job!

Usually when people try and drag other in their at the end of ones intellect, that is the ability to think, reason, and understand.

So what ingrid_rachel says above is also a bad advise?

All I was stating was that different countries ask for different things. Will you give it a rest??

And if you do a search here on vj you will see it isn't unheard of that they do ask for DNA. After all it is up to the people at the embassy to judge if the evidence is enough or not....

But like I stated in my very first post, email and ask exactly what they want.

The objective is to comment based on facts or sound advice rather than thoughts, opinions or ‘bad examples‘. I have no objections other then pointing out bad examples. Often it confuses individuals.

Geez...all I suggested was to send an email to the embassy. Even if the DNA was a bad example different countries requires different info.
Get a straight answer from the embassy and take it from there.... You got any objections on that??

Your not getting what I’m saying. Go back and read it, present or not, married or not the burden of proving the blood relationship is on the person making the claim to U.S. citizenship,

when no substantive form of credible evidence is available in conjunction with a CRBA application, a parent may find genetic testing to be a useful tool for confirming a stated biological relationship. DNA testing is an option not a ‘requirement’( as your post implies) to establish parentage when no credible evidence is available or unsatisfactory.

The only time DNA is suggested by the CO is when the US citizen fails to provide credible evidence married or not.

Well I've seen it here on VJ, I'll try and find it and link it. It's been in cases where the parents aren't married and the father hasn't been able to be present when reporting the birth.
With that said, i don't know how Mexico is doing it and that is why I recommended to email the embassy.

Better be safe than sorry.

When I reported my daughters birth i didn't need all that is required when reading online, an email to my embassy gave me the exact answer and it made it a whole lot easier...

I have yet to see any US Embassy require, DNA as ‘requirement’ for the CRBA process.

However when no substantive form of credible evidence is available in conjunction with a CRBA application, a parent may find genetic testing to be a useful tool for confirming a stated biological relationship. DNA testing is an 'option' to establish parentage when no credible evidence is available or unsatisfactory.

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs_report_birth_abroad.html

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html

Some countries have different rules about that, some want DNA tests etc. email the embassy in Mexico and ask them what is required.

The difficulty lies with the lack of substantial documentation, ie proof of biological relationship with the child/applicant and the claimed U.S. this applies to both in and out of wedlock biological parents, not just out of wedlock.

The burden of proving the blood relationship is on the person making the claim to U.S. citizenship.

. 2 months? Why have you not Inquired? As for DNA http://manila.usembassy.gov/service/citizenship/blood-relationship.html

Hi, can I ask if you had an experience of getting DNA for your child CRBA apllication? As what I know it is hard if your child was born out of wedlock. Most of parents who are out of wedlock are having difficulty for US embassy to approve. Like for instance in my situation where still dont know if our application have to get DNA. It is almost 2 months now doesnt have news yet for our child US passport.

That’s helpful information!

Thanks for your military service