sjr09

Is this true? Can this be done from the states then or do I have to do it before I leave Australia

From the above link given.

Eligibility for a CRBA

“In order to determine whether or not the U.S. citizen parent(s) is/are able to transmit citizenship, please refer to the transmission requirements.”

FYI CRBA must be done in Australia.

Is one those those ok or both? My husband has sent me his passport but the NVC have his birth certificate and both copies of our marriage cert that we had. Do you think I will definitely have to get another copy of our marriage cert? The county where we got marriage don't use email so it will take weeks to get a copy and by that time I will have finished the cr1 petition and have my original back.

Both, I would suggest you read the information/requirements from your local US Embassy Post. http://canberra.usembassy.gov/report-birth-abroad.html

To those of you who already have had your interview, I was wondering if Tax Transcripts alone would be sufficient proof of income or would you need 1040's and W2's also?

Thanks in advance!

Tax Transcripts alone are perfectly fine, and will be accepted by the consular officer @USEM pay stubs show your currently working

You should apply as soon as possible. A notarized copy of every page in his passport is required. Also, notarized or original birth certificate for your husband. If you use the guidance on http://manila.usembassy.gov/mobile/service/citizenship.html website it will tell you exactly what to do. I just went through this process with my fiancee and it was very simple. It is a lot of paperwork, but easy. We received our sons CRBA first time with no errors. Please feel free to ask me any questions. Please remember that each page (all 28 pages) of his passport need to be copied and notarized.

Your husband does not need to be present for interview, but have all the documents notarized and place in the order that you see them on the website i mentioned above. http://manila.usembassy.gov/mobile/service/citizenship.html

I do agree the OP should procure the CRBA ASAP. However you should always provide the appropriate information that relates to his/her own

U.S. Embassy website for the person inquiring as some requirements found on (USEM) do not apply @ USEA.

"All documents submitted in support of an application must be originals (unless otherwise advised), and will be returned to the applicant. We are unable to accept photocopies or copies certified by a Justice of the Peace or Notary Public." "Make clear copies of each supporting document to leave as part of an application. Copies should not be certified/notarized. Applicants who do not provide photocopies will be charged US$1.00 per photocopy."

Examples of acceptable evidence:

1. Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

• U. S. birth certificate
• U.S. passport

I haven't read through all the topics on here so I hope I'm sorry if I'm repeating this.

My husband is the USC, we filed for the CR1 and we are just waiting for my interview date now. We had our daughter in August.

I don't live in the city where the embassy is so I was going to wait until I had to go there for my interview before I filed for her CRBA. Will this be to late? Also, my husband is in the states and so can't be at the appointment, does he need to send me his passport or is a notarized copy enough?

OP the American Citizens Services (ACS) has Outreach Programs this may or may not work for your time frame, but procure the CRBA, ASAP. http://canberra.usembassy.gov/service/upcoming-consular-visits.html

_{I’m not one to leave blanks in forms, fill out best of your recollection. Your supporting documents is what they will look at.}

Thank you sjr09 for the reply.

Both parents are physically present in applying the crba in USEm.

Good deal, As I’m sure you know don’t sign it until requested by the consular at time of interivew.

Good Luck.

Hello vj friends.

Can somebody help me regarding the ds5507. My daughter was born out of wedlock and my husband is the USC. Im confuse about the question in page 3 of ds5507. "That the non-applying parent has been physically present in the United States as follows: (information about the unmarried non-applying parent should only be provided if that parent is a U.S. citizen or U.S. non-citizen national)

I know this form is for my husband but because of his work im the one who filled this up.

What non-applying parent means?is this for me or for my husband also?

On the day of the interview im with my husband.

Thank you in advance:)

What does non-applying mean. If the USC will not be physically applying in person @USEM for the CRBA.

Don’t forget If the parents were not married at the time of the birth of the applicant, a completed and notarized Affidavit of Parentage, Physical Presence and Support (Form DS-5507) is required for an applicant born to an unmarried U.S. citizen father. Do not sign the document if the father will be present at the interview.

If the father will not be present, the form must be signed by the father and notarized by a U.S.-commissioned notary. So if the above applies (as your the one filling out the form) it’s best to have him fill out the form and mail you the original singed DS-5507 No Copy.

Alright genius, before you insult my intelligence again, did you even read my above post? I have a hotel booking receipt with both of our names on it and the date of approximate conception, we'll have pre-natal records and ultrasounds, we have plane tickets for each other and I have stamps into Poland (my wife has none because they do not stamp EU citizens' passports upon entry into Poland). Poland is where we had our honeymoon right after the wedding, and that is where the child was conceived. If the embassy needs a DNA test because they believe my wife went off and shacked up with another man two days after marriage then there is something seriously wrong with them. I have nothing else to prove I was in the same location at the time of conception and can't produce evidence that I don't have. Logical person? So I guess I'm illogical according to you. I have read that photos with time stamps were good enough, but I guess not.

Yes, every one of your posts, and in reading this thread I found no mention of the above in bold until now. Furthermore not one member has insulted your intelligence, but I and others have given our time, knowledge and experience in helping you learn, understand and seceded, and for that help in understanding the process you have been rather arrogant and immature in your comments, to me and others on this thread. I will not further assist someone who reflection of limited life experience, and feeling concerned that those with greater life experience or knowledge (have got something over them) rather than seeking to find out more through questions and learning you try and impose your limited, narrow life experiences and small view of this subject on others.

. I’ll leave you with one finally note, The burden of proving the blood relationship is on the person making the claim to U.S. citizenship. “If the embassy needs a DNA test because they believe my wife went off and shacked up with another man two days after marriage then there is something seriously wrong with them.”

Your very statement happens and thus, one of the reason for DNA testing.

Best of Luck

It’s fairly easy to understand. Approximate time of conception and physical presence in the same location at applicant's time of conception.

Ultrasound and pre-natal care records along with your (USC) physical presence in the same location at applicant’s time of conception will help the consular officer determine a link, a biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child.

As for DNA testing, your lacking the basic understanding of how it work's and when it’s applied, I would recommend you read this link: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html as this can apply too anyone in any country not just, “"high fraud embassy.”

"When no substantive form of credible evidence is available in conjunction with a CRBA application, a parent may find genetic testing to be a useful tool for confirming a stated biological relationship.

Do not initiate a DNA test unless it is recommended by the Embassy for your pending CRBA application. A DNA test that is done independently will not be accepted to support a CRBA or Passport

Oh ok. Well the only thing I didn't know about was the DNA test and didn't see that on the DOS website. Thank you for the link. I've read about the CRBA process for a long time and know a lot about it. Just didn't know that.

Um, no. I don't think it will be "a piece of cake", as you say. Where in my posts did I even infer or say that??? Can you please tell me? If anything I'm over prepared. I have all of my grade school, high school and college transcripts and report cards, all of my tax returns, all of my bank account statements, all of my parents' tax returns showing me as a dependent, my old passport, my current passport, plane ticket stubs, all of my cell phone bills, utility bills, DMV driver records, court records for speeding tickets I've gotten, Customs and Border Protection records of my entry and exit into and out of the United States, pay stubs and employer verification letters etc etc etc. All of these are to prove my physical presence in the U.S. throughout my life. In addition, I also have photos with time and date stamps on them proving my wife and I were together on the date of conception, as well as hotel receipts proving that fact. So I like I said, I'm over prepared and don't think it will be a cakewalk.

The only thing I didn't know anything about was this requirement, which I can't find anywhere, of ultrasound and pre-natal care records. I still don't see how those prove that I am the father of the child. They don't. They're just records that prove my wife went to get a checkup on a certain day, with pictures of the baby in utero. It doesn't show anything about my relationship with the child. I will have been 5000 miles away the entire time my wife was pregnant and will not have been with her or the baby until the birth and for two weeks over Christmas and New Year's Eve. However, with your advice, we will provide the ultrasounds and pre-natal care records. Thanks

It was put plane and simple in my last post above. The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship. Your lacking the basic understanding of how the ultrasound can date approximant time of conception, the stages of human development or in your words utero. Take this along with your proof of physical presence in the same location at applicant’s time of conception, and add the two together what do you have? Yes a ‘possible’ link that will help the consular officer determine a biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child.

Further more if we take what your saying that, “It doesn't show anything about my relationship with the child. I will have been 5000 miles away the entire time my wife was pregnant.” then what proof do you have? I would say from what you have given above you have little or no proof, “photos with time and date stamps on them “proving my wife and I were together on the date of conception” BTW don’t prove any connection, of conception.

Time stamps can be add on any photo, and are not valid proof of conception as any logical person should and would know. IME and IMO your proof of USC is fine but your severely lacking in proof of a stated biological relationship with the child based on the information above.

Although I’ve been quite involved in the subject and study of Consular Report of Birth Abroad since 2008 I’m no expert on the subject, perhaps just an aficionado. One thing I have found in my own research, many embassy e-mail inquiries around the world and my own personal experience in the process is most if not all, USC parents who had set backs or failed was do to lack of proper information, documentation and the understanding of the process especially documentation on the stated biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child. Keep in mind acceptance of ‘any’ evidence will be at the discretion of the consular officer, and depending on the circumstances the consular officer may ask for additional material.

I would beef-up your proof of physical presence in same location at time of conception.

Airline tickets do they show a link for the above?

Copy of visa stamps, do they show a link for the above?

Proof of mothers pregnancy, ultrasound, pre-natal records, hospital billing statements do they show a link for the above?

Good Luck

Hi guys, please help.. In connection to this CRBA and passport. Do we need to have the CRBA result and passport on hand before the K1 Visa interview?

I have and always recommend that the USC parent procure the CRBA (ASAP)

Oh ok. Thanks. I'll be going to the interview.

I guess I still don't follow how ultrasounds and medical records will establish that it's my child, because I won't be with my wife during almost the entire pregnancy and there is no DNA on those tests. So how will those prove my relationship with the child? I've heard Poland likely doesn't need a DNA test because it's not a high fraud embassy and am hoping it won't take us too long to get the CRBA because I'll only be in Poland for two months after the birth, then I have to go back to the states.

Thanks again.

It’s fairly easy to understand. Approximate time of conception and physical presence in the same location at applicant's time of conception.

Ultrasound and pre-natal care records along with your (USC) physical presence in the same location at applicant’s time of conception will help the consular officer determine a link, a biological relationship between the USC parent and applicant child.

As for DNA testing, your lacking the basic understanding of how it work's and when it’s applied, I would recommend you read this link: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html as this can apply too anyone in any country not just, “"high fraud embassy.”

"When no substantive form of credible evidence is available in conjunction with a CRBA application, a parent may find genetic testing to be a useful tool for confirming a stated biological relationship.

Do not initiate a DNA test unless it is recommended by the Embassy for your pending CRBA application. A DNA test that is done independently will not be accepted to support a CRBA or Passport

- for hiring a driving... too nuts out there!

If he was born in the US, that is his proof of citizenship.

That will all depend on the CO...

Agree, acceptance of all evidence will be at the discretion of the consular officer, and depending on the circumstances, the consular officer may ask for additional material.

A stand alone us passport will not suffice.

I guess to be on the safe side I'll bring along a copy of his high school transcript, college admission letter and employment certificate. Do I have to bring certified copies though?

I strongly recommend high school transcripts shows part of the needed timeline. They are very hard to dispute. I have seen USEM often ask for them.

I would go with the copies. If they need certified ones, you can alsways get these.

Copies of high school transcripts are fine.

Hello,

I'm applying my daughter for a CRBA. I was wondering, since I'm the US citizen and have lived in the US from birth (1996) - 08/09 (I forgot) do I need to fill out form DS-5507? The father is a Filipino citizen and has never been out of the country. Thanks.

P.S. I'm also applying for her US passport. She doesn't have an SSN yet. When applying for CRBA, I know they will also let her apply for a passport. Will they also give her an SSN number? Because I can't fill out the passport application electronically without an SSN.

What US embassy your planning on applying at USEM I assume?

Your situation differs then the norm one typically reads on this site for the CRBA, your the mother of the child and a USC.

Legitimation requirements are automatically considered legitimated. However a biological relationship with the child/applicant and the claimed U.S. citizen parent (you the mother)must be established and the USC (you the mother) must meet certain physically present in the United States requirements.: http://manila.usembassy.gov/service/citizenship/derivative-claim-to-citizenship.html

.As for “Affidavit of Parentage, Physical Presence and Support” (DS-5507) Persons born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father and non-U.S. Citizen mother typically apply only to the above underlined.

The American Citizen Services section does not process requests for children's social security numbers. Although there is a reference to obtaining a social security number on the appointment system, Embassy Manila has a separate Social Security Administration office. Click here to view the Social Security Administration website. or you can apply for a SSN when the child arrives in the US.

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/living/living_5497.html

hello. how was the crba process? the ds 5507 must be notarize at any us comissinoed but if he's dual citizen its fine to ave it notarized at phil consulate/ embassy but will cost yiu $25 per document.. and btw.. @penguin who should fill out the ds 2209? should i be the one or tha usc? cause as what it says if the usc parent is not present on crba interview he must fill the ds 5507 instead and have it notarize and the dds 3053. should also be notarize at us comissioned.

DS 2209? DS-2029 right?

Your referring three individual forms not sure what your trying say above in bold?

ALL forms for the CRBA and US passport can be filled out via filable online format or by hand, anyone including bozo the clown can do this. However the USC ‘original’ signatures on the appropriate forms do matter so it makes sense the USC fills out the forms.

Example non-applying parent must sign the DS-3053 signature must be witnessed and notarized in item 4b.

Very simple, submit the requested documents the officer asked for your all most finished. I would suggest you include your high school transcript as well, you should receive your expired Philippine passport back.

“Should I have left the embassy after that?”

Yes! Your CRBA was not approved unlike what you are referring to CRBA experiences "I will approve this application. Just go to Air21 and fill up the form for the shipment and drop it in window 1. you should expect the passport and the certificate of CRBA"

Hi all, pretty standard question I think, hopefully this will be a quick one.

My wife lives in Japan (Japanese citizen). I live in America (U.S. citizen by birth). Our baby is due October 1st. When the baby is born, I will go for a visit, but will soon return to the U.S. I will not be present when my wife goes to the embassy.

I'm currently filling out DS-2029 (Application for Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America). I notice in the instructions a bold note saying that "if the U.S. citizen parent (me) transmitting citizenship to the child is not present, he or she may complete State Department Form DS 5507 Affidavit of Parentage Physical Presence and Support and submit separately. The parent completing this application should provide as much information on the parent completing the Form DS 5507 as he or she has."

The following points are not clear to me:

• Do I NEED to fill out the DS 5507? The note says "may complete," as in, it's optional/an alternative. At least that's how I read it.
• If I do fill out DS 5507, do we need DS 2029 at all? If so, do I fill it out the information for BOTH parents, or just my wife's information (since all of mine will be submitted with the DS 5507)?

First and foremost congratulation on the up-coming birth and fatherhood.

DS- 5507 Some US Embassies require this form regardless of marital status or if your present or not. I would fill-out all form, that way if they are needed USEJ you can easily present them seamlessly.

Your confused, YES! You must fill out DS-2029 as it’s the (Application for Consular Report of Birth Abroad) the form requires infomation from both parents as it clearly shows; http://photos.state.gov/libraries/libya/19452/public/DS-2029_report_of_birth.pdf Your reading more into this, then is needed. The forms are stright forward and simple... Don't forget if the child will be traveling to the US DS-11 and if you will not be present for interview DS-3053.

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/libya/19452/public/DS-2029_report_of_birth.pdf

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/secondary_evidence/secondary_evidence_4315.html

Toss that against the wall and see if it sticks.

You can get a U.S. passport without a CRBA.

Proof of the child's U.S. citizenship (the same proof submitted for the CRBA): Proof of father's U.S. citizenship + Proof that father has been present in the U.S. for 5 years, including 2 after the age of 14 + Proof that this is the child's father + The father's acknowledgement of paternity

You have not given any reason why the passport application will be "denied".

Do tell us how this foreign born child living abroad under the age of 18 can acquire a US passport with out the CRBA?

Other then you telling me what the OP seems to have as documentation. The lack of overwhelming documentation of any of the above you have listed, is reason.

The OP has only given information the claimed US citizen has lived in the US all his life. Let the OP give us a check list of her SO claimed citizenship and stated biological relationship e.g. substantive form of credible evidence then we can better inform.

Exactly, father is US citizenship and his parents also US citizenship. He born in LA and live all life in US just come to meet in Mexico last year. Now baby have 4 months. ANd we both will need visa for to visit his father.

If your child has claim to US citizenship a visa will not be issued. Newcct seems to know a way around your dilemma, acquiring a US passport for the child with out going

through the CRBA process have him/her help you.

Good luck.

What proof?

Perhaps I’m not understanding your last post, “Just try to apply for a U.S. Passport?” the OP’s SO US citizen, has not obtained the CRBA, 'Proof of US citizenship' with out the certificate no US passport can be issued to the applicant.

I was seeing your post as a stand-alone comment, “Just try to apply for a U.S. Passport?” Absolutely can file for the CRBA and US passport at the same time, if this is what you meant.

If the CRBA is denied the passport fee will be returned and passport application denied at that time.

Of course they have proof of U.S. citizenship. (Otherwise how would they apply for the CRBA?) They just don't have the father there.

What proof?

Perhaps I’m not understanding your last post, “Just try to apply for a U.S. Passport?” the OP’s SO US citizen, has not obtained the CRBA, 'Proof of US citizenship' with out the certificate no US passport can be issued to the applicant.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/service/citizenship/first-time-report-of-birth-abroad7.html

The American Citizen Services section does not process requests for children's social security numbers. Although there is a reference to obtaining a social security number on the appointment system, Embassy Manila has a separate Social Security Administration office. Click here to view the Social Security Administration website.

We both (me n my future husband he is USC) try to register our son as american citizenship but in US they told him he must register in brazilian consulate, I try here in Brazil and they told he must come for to register his son here.

I dont know what to do for to get meet him if baby will have no US passport, and if I dont get visa for baby?

Need help

Although the application forms and final documents are the same everywhere, our embassies and consulates have different procedures to get them.Typically the US citizen parent does not need to appear in person to file the application or the interview. Other parent(s) or legal guardians have successfully acquired the certificate in this manner world wide.

“Only the parent(s), legal guardian, person acting in loco parentis or the child may apply on the child’s behalf.”

Source for the above in bold quote is from the Brazil U.S. Embassy website

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/156216.pdf CRBA DS- 2029

http://brazil.usembassy.gov/report-birth-abroad.html

However on the http://brazil.usembassy.gov/report-birth-abroad.html page right above Required Documents: Both parents must come in person with the child and should bring:

I would call and explain your situation to the Brazil US Consulate and see what can be done.

Just try to apply for a U.S. passport?

Your not helping the OP. How can a foreign born child apply for a US passport successfully with out proof of US citizenship.

He can try it

You'll not be successful.

I showed 3 years worth of W2's and my high school transcripts, they didn't take anything off for months not in school or anything else. That was at the Melbourne consulate in Australia, not sure if its different in other countries. Also, we are married and were married before he was conceived, not engaged.

For the above in bold,correct, as this is how it works for school transcripts. If your high school transcripts show four years it simply translates four years, I only showed my passport, birth cert. and school transcripts,@ USEM they did not ask for any tax returns, as they can be disputed. Non the less I would recommend having them, the more arrows in your quiver the better.

I always recommend high school transcripts they show part of the needed timeline “physical presence in the U.S. to transmit citizenship.” And are very difficult for the CO to dispute.