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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from usaphp in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I get it from the data of the clinical trials Pfizer and Moderna used for their EUA application with the FDA.
    For example Pfizer promoted an (primary endpoint of) efficacy of 95% in their document (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download). If you read how they came to that number (e.g. page 24) you will see it was determined considering only 170 (162 out of control group and 8 out of injected group) out of about 35,000 total candidates.
    Their data is showing that:
    - out of 17,411 people in the injected group 8 people experienced symptoms associated with Covid19 AND tested positive (using an unapproved test)
    and
    - out of 17,511 people in the control group 162 people experienced symptoms associated with Covid19 AND tested positive (using an unapproved test).
     
    To get the AAR (absolute risk reduction) we need to consider ALL trial participants: 17,411 candidates in the injected group and 17,511 in the control group.
    - 8 out of 17,411 injected candidates equals 0.046% of 17,411
    - 162 out of 17,511 placebo candidates equals 0.925% of 17,511
     
    Determining the difference between the two results:
    0.925-0.046=0.879
    The AAR for the Pfizer injection is 0.879% ~ 0.88%.
     
    The difference of experiencing any Covid19 associated symptoms between the 2 groups is so small that it becomes statistically insignificant.
    Despite that fact they keep advertising a 95% "efficacy" which is simply false according to their own documents. The 95% is being promoted as if there is a 95% less chance for you to get Covid19 if you agree to be injected. But there is only a 0.88% less chance as we can see from their own trial data.
     
    When I last calculated the same according to the Moderna data I got an AAR of 1.14%.
     
    There is also medical literature about this:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996517/?fbclid=IwAR0Hrsl9wtGPtUwtpfubQ6c0TY69VGeyK_pMcie95H2TY4YOyH--g3e0E1s
    "Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna reported the relative risk reduction of their vaccines, but the manufacturers did not report a corresponding absolute risk reduction, which “appears to be less than 1%"


    Here is another article from the lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR1_lg0WMIT0hkbQmWdIyg29jqwgv8M5VDDX7MARKwP9Tpz_SIw3n2TQnvk
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Oh, the HORROR!!!  All those years wasted from not wearing masks.
     
    What about putting on a mask, then later touching it to take it off, only to put it back on when you go into the next store?  Or you leave the mask in your vehicle when you get home, only to use it tomorrow in the next store?  If you actually believe that masks reduce the risk of infection, then improperly wearing them can have lethal consequences as well, right?
     
    99.9% of everyone I have ever seen wearing masks in public use them wrong.  Ironically, that's about the same percentage of chance you have of dying from covid.
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    InhaleExhale reacted to Ban Hammer in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Call me crazy, but I choose LIFE.
     
    ETA: Didn't I tell you last week that your memes have been getting weaker?  Need to step up your game.  You did much better on your other account.
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Ok.  You keep believing whatever you want to. I never said it was an emergency recall.  That was you & your link.
     
    https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html 
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    More than a couple, actually.  But too many people today will refuse to see what is right before their eyes.  It seems the more "woke" we are forced to become, the less we are able to see.
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    All very true.  And even now, the FDA & CDC have determined that the PCR tests we have been subjected to for over a year are producing too many false positives and are recalling the tests by December.  Hell, the tests were never intended to be used to diagnose covid.  It's no wonder they aren't working right.
     
    We have all been lied to on a massive scale.  Some are content for the misinformation to continue, so they can feel better inside.  Others want the truth to come out so we can make informed decisions.  Thank you for sharing what you have discovered.  Just understand it will NOT be received well here, because it doesn't fit the narrative of some.
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    In your last comment you implied that the spike protein is harmless, now you are calling it in irritant?
    I think you are just a troll. Or you are not one but cannot support your own claim so you are trying to deflect and twist words.
    Inflammation can of course be caused by pathogens. The literature I linked to in my comment literally called it a pathogen:
     
    The issue remains: the shots are making your own body produce a pathogen - an irritant in your language - how is this not a concern by itself? Plus neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna trial provided any data on in which parts of the body those spike proteins would be created and when their creation actually stops. 
     
    So...how come you still haven't identified all the "so much misinformation" I allegedly posted? 
     
     
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from Lemonslice in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Can you share your source that confirms it is NOT a pathogen?
    I read several studies that show the opposite. Here are a couple:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7547916/
    (--> BBB stand s for blood brain barrier)
    "SARS-CoV-2 spike protein triggers a pro-inflammatory response and upregulation of matrix metalloproteinases in human brain endothelial cells"
    "SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induces loss of the BBB integrity"
    ".. in regard to the brain endothelium, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induced destabilization of the BBB, promoted a pro-inflammatory status [...] the opening of the BBB, hints at the possible means in which the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen could also neuroinvade."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8091897/#R2
    "SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2"
    https://www.regulations.gov/document/FDA-2020-N-1898-0246
    This is one of the many warnings and concerns by the medical body about possible harm due to the risks of the damage that the spike protein causes:
    "As important as it is to quickly arrest the spread of the virus by immunizing the population, it would be vastly worse if hundreds of millions of people were to suffer long-lasting or even permanent damage to their brain or heart microvasculature as a result of failing to appreciate in the short-term an unintended effect of full-length spike protein-based vaccines on these other organs."
    I don't think he was paid any attention to, and I am not aware of any effort by the manufacturers to rule out these known risks. Just like they have ignored many other risks that they were warned about.
    VAERS data shows an abnormal amount of myocarditis especially in male adolescents after receiving this injection with exactly what he warned about: permanent damage to their heart microvasculature since heart tissue does not regenerate.
     
    As I wrote in my comment which you quoted, I can only speak to Pfizer and Moderna since I have not researched the other candidates that much.
    Btw, you are using the terms "approved": none of these injections are approved. I have heard many sources claim that, even MSM and it is entirely false. No approval has been granted for any of them.
    What else to you believe to be an error in my claims and why?
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Getting vaccinated (or not, for the time being), is one's personal choice.  One must weigh the risks/rewards between getting sick from a genetically manufactured virus or a man-made drug that hasn't been tested nearly long enough.  But with the current global survival rate at 99.946%, I plan to wait a bit before I induce the risk of an adverse reaction from an unknown drug.  
     
    The numbers have been obfuscated quite a bit, but are still worth looking at and understanding OUTSIDE of the fear-mongering brought about daily in the MSM.
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    InhaleExhale reacted to Nature Boy 2.0 in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    cognitive dissonance ! Not to be confused with appeal to authority fallacy 
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I honestly would love to be wrong. I am constantly searching for the truth. I don't just blindly believe.
    Which points do you consider "misinformation" in here and why?
    Throwing out a claim without supporting it holds zero weight.
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from Lemonslice in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Why do you believe that to be true? Based on what?
    You actually suffered a severe adverse reaction and you still believe you are "safer". 
    The manufacturers even admit there is no data on transmission of the "virus" and you still believe you are keeping someone else "safe".
    And you got no answer as to why you actually believe that.
    I cannot wrap my head around this cognitive dissonance.
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from Lemonslice in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I honestly would love to be wrong. I am constantly searching for the truth. I don't just blindly believe.
    Which points do you consider "misinformation" in here and why?
    Throwing out a claim without supporting it holds zero weight.
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from TBoneTX in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I couldn't give you a purer "I will not" as an answer.
    Given the data we have from the clinical trials plus additional studies, combining that with other facts like absence of liability, lack of necessity etc. there is literally zero benefit but huge amounts of risks. For anyone.
    I have only researched Pfizer and Moderna so I can only speak about those. 
    I want to stress that neither of those are actual "vaccines", which contain a weakened live or dead virus and prevent infection and transmission of a specific disease. That is not the case here. Here you get injected with instructions for your own body to create a pathogen hoping that your body then will answer with an immune response to the toxin it is creating. But none of the trials have data on immune response or prevention of infection or transmission. It was never evaluated.
    Moderna themselves call this an "investigational mRNA medicine", which is exactly what it is. It is a genetic code in a lipid nanoparticle envelope inserted into your body, therefore rendering this a gene therapy and it is investigational = an experimental drug. -> https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development 
    Even the SEC calls it gene therapy: "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA." -> https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm
     
    ***************************************
     
    Anyways, you asked me for laymen's terms, and I'm no doctor either lol
    In one sentence I would answer: For a disease with an overall 99.74% survival rate, why would I choose to be injected with an experimental unapproved drug that gives me less of a theoretical benefit than my immune system can provide me, and where the confidence of its quality by its own manufacturer is so low that they won't even offer liability for it, AND where there are several other safe and approved drugs available to treat this disease with a very high effectiveness?
    Where would be the rationale behind still choosing to get this injection? That's a serious question.
     
    More detail on my reasoning:
    The experimental injections...
    1- do not prevent infection or transmission 
    2- have a statistically insignificant efficacy of roughly 1% for preventing severity of symptoms
    3- have never gone through proper safety trials as required for all other vaccines, animal studies were completely skipped
    4- protocol of the clinical phase III trials show several data gaps
    5- we have over 425,950 adverse events and 4,500 deaths now reported in association with these shots (in comparison the swine flu vaccine was pulled after 53 associated deaths!) -> https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=F0B56B446EE5F8311B8C209C4EEC, and these are numbers in a system that catches less than 1% of adverse events, -> https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
    6- manufacturers have ZERO liability, all the while Pfizer has a very long rap sheet (criminal history) and Moderna has never produced an approved drug at all
    7- if you are injured you have extremely limited avenues, you only have 1 year, and you can only recoup medical expenses, nothing more. Not even legal expenses. The manufacturers are completely immune and tax dollars are paying for every cent paid to injured individuals.
    8- the inventor of mRNA technology Robert Malone has warned about many unevaluated risks as have hundreds of other doctors, many petitions and suits were filed. I can link to several if you wish. All these risks have not been investigated. Maybe that is why we now have more deaths associated with "vaccines" than we had in the last 30 years combined? -> https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-wodarg-dr-yeadon-request-stop-all-corona-vaccination-studies-call-co-signing-petition/5731458
    9- there is no data on when your body will actually stop creating the pathogen (the spike protein) - what could possibly go wrong...
    10- there is no data on long term safety because there logically cannot be any data given the limited time passed
    11- the manufacturers first said the created toxic spike proteins will stay in the injections site but it turned out otherwise, they travel all over the body and into the blood (https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075) which may lead to all the blood clotting events
    12- it is a given there will be many other discovered unknown unknowns given the process and more than short time frame to create these injections
     
    -Anyone who claims these injections are "safe" is not telling the truth. I would love to see data that confirms that they are indeed "safe".
    They are clearly not safe at all and there is a plethora of data for that. No one can even say they are safe given the fact that not enough time has passed to evaluate the long term safety.
     
    -Anyone who claims they are effective and insinuates a high efficacy is also not telling the truth. We have an estimated 1% efficacy according to the trial data.
    We have no data on effectiveness (there is a difference between efficacy and effectiveness).
    Interestingly in the Pfizer study there were 3,410 participants that were excluded from the efficacy calculation (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42). The reason for the exclusion was NOT revealed. Had they been included even the RRR would have been between 19 and 29% instead of the RRR of 95% (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/). Likewise the ARR/actual real efficacy would then be about 0%.
    I think this is what is actually happening. Because of the lack of preventing the infection or illness if you do get this shot that's why new "cases" are from both injected and uninjected.
     
    In addition, now we have even Rochelle Walensky herself admitting being fully "vaccinated" is not working and the "vaccinated can still spread the "virus".
    In contrast, and another argument for not getting this shot, is that our own natural immune system is way more sophisticated than anything the injection can do. Our natural immune system will give a much more robust immunity and for decades. Even for variants of a virus.
    I would rather get infected and have my immune system take care of it than exposing my body to a medical unnecessary experiment.
    And again, for the vulnerable there are at least 2 other drugs that work well and that are actually safe (have been for decades) and approved. I can share the studies if you wish.
     
    In summary: we have a potential lethal threat of 0.26%. And we have studies of drugs that work to overcome this.
    We do not have studies of injections that work.
    But we have tons of data on injuries that happen after people are injected.
    The decision is quite easy for me  
     
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from laylalex in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I couldn't give you a purer "I will not" as an answer.
    Given the data we have from the clinical trials plus additional studies, combining that with other facts like absence of liability, lack of necessity etc. there is literally zero benefit but huge amounts of risks. For anyone.
    I have only researched Pfizer and Moderna so I can only speak about those. 
    I want to stress that neither of those are actual "vaccines", which contain a weakened live or dead virus and prevent infection and transmission of a specific disease. That is not the case here. Here you get injected with instructions for your own body to create a pathogen hoping that your body then will answer with an immune response to the toxin it is creating. But none of the trials have data on immune response or prevention of infection or transmission. It was never evaluated.
    Moderna themselves call this an "investigational mRNA medicine", which is exactly what it is. It is a genetic code in a lipid nanoparticle envelope inserted into your body, therefore rendering this a gene therapy and it is investigational = an experimental drug. -> https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development 
    Even the SEC calls it gene therapy: "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA." -> https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm
     
    ***************************************
     
    Anyways, you asked me for laymen's terms, and I'm no doctor either lol
    In one sentence I would answer: For a disease with an overall 99.74% survival rate, why would I choose to be injected with an experimental unapproved drug that gives me less of a theoretical benefit than my immune system can provide me, and where the confidence of its quality by its own manufacturer is so low that they won't even offer liability for it, AND where there are several other safe and approved drugs available to treat this disease with a very high effectiveness?
    Where would be the rationale behind still choosing to get this injection? That's a serious question.
     
    More detail on my reasoning:
    The experimental injections...
    1- do not prevent infection or transmission 
    2- have a statistically insignificant efficacy of roughly 1% for preventing severity of symptoms
    3- have never gone through proper safety trials as required for all other vaccines, animal studies were completely skipped
    4- protocol of the clinical phase III trials show several data gaps
    5- we have over 425,950 adverse events and 4,500 deaths now reported in association with these shots (in comparison the swine flu vaccine was pulled after 53 associated deaths!) -> https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=F0B56B446EE5F8311B8C209C4EEC, and these are numbers in a system that catches less than 1% of adverse events, -> https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
    6- manufacturers have ZERO liability, all the while Pfizer has a very long rap sheet (criminal history) and Moderna has never produced an approved drug at all
    7- if you are injured you have extremely limited avenues, you only have 1 year, and you can only recoup medical expenses, nothing more. Not even legal expenses. The manufacturers are completely immune and tax dollars are paying for every cent paid to injured individuals.
    8- the inventor of mRNA technology Robert Malone has warned about many unevaluated risks as have hundreds of other doctors, many petitions and suits were filed. I can link to several if you wish. All these risks have not been investigated. Maybe that is why we now have more deaths associated with "vaccines" than we had in the last 30 years combined? -> https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-wodarg-dr-yeadon-request-stop-all-corona-vaccination-studies-call-co-signing-petition/5731458
    9- there is no data on when your body will actually stop creating the pathogen (the spike protein) - what could possibly go wrong...
    10- there is no data on long term safety because there logically cannot be any data given the limited time passed
    11- the manufacturers first said the created toxic spike proteins will stay in the injections site but it turned out otherwise, they travel all over the body and into the blood (https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075) which may lead to all the blood clotting events
    12- it is a given there will be many other discovered unknown unknowns given the process and more than short time frame to create these injections
     
    -Anyone who claims these injections are "safe" is not telling the truth. I would love to see data that confirms that they are indeed "safe".
    They are clearly not safe at all and there is a plethora of data for that. No one can even say they are safe given the fact that not enough time has passed to evaluate the long term safety.
     
    -Anyone who claims they are effective and insinuates a high efficacy is also not telling the truth. We have an estimated 1% efficacy according to the trial data.
    We have no data on effectiveness (there is a difference between efficacy and effectiveness).
    Interestingly in the Pfizer study there were 3,410 participants that were excluded from the efficacy calculation (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42). The reason for the exclusion was NOT revealed. Had they been included even the RRR would have been between 19 and 29% instead of the RRR of 95% (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/). Likewise the ARR/actual real efficacy would then be about 0%.
    I think this is what is actually happening. Because of the lack of preventing the infection or illness if you do get this shot that's why new "cases" are from both injected and uninjected.
     
    In addition, now we have even Rochelle Walensky herself admitting being fully "vaccinated" is not working and the "vaccinated can still spread the "virus".
    In contrast, and another argument for not getting this shot, is that our own natural immune system is way more sophisticated than anything the injection can do. Our natural immune system will give a much more robust immunity and for decades. Even for variants of a virus.
    I would rather get infected and have my immune system take care of it than exposing my body to a medical unnecessary experiment.
    And again, for the vulnerable there are at least 2 other drugs that work well and that are actually safe (have been for decades) and approved. I can share the studies if you wish.
     
    In summary: we have a potential lethal threat of 0.26%. And we have studies of drugs that work to overcome this.
    We do not have studies of injections that work.
    But we have tons of data on injuries that happen after people are injected.
    The decision is quite easy for me  
     
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from Dashinka in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I would like to know that, too 🥴. My observation is that "the science" or absence thereof has been SOP. 
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from Dashinka in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    It shouldn't. Logic doesn't matter anymore...
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    InhaleExhale got a reaction from Dashinka in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    I couldn't give you a purer "I will not" as an answer.
    Given the data we have from the clinical trials plus additional studies, combining that with other facts like absence of liability, lack of necessity etc. there is literally zero benefit but huge amounts of risks. For anyone.
    I have only researched Pfizer and Moderna so I can only speak about those. 
    I want to stress that neither of those are actual "vaccines", which contain a weakened live or dead virus and prevent infection and transmission of a specific disease. That is not the case here. Here you get injected with instructions for your own body to create a pathogen hoping that your body then will answer with an immune response to the toxin it is creating. But none of the trials have data on immune response or prevention of infection or transmission. It was never evaluated.
    Moderna themselves call this an "investigational mRNA medicine", which is exactly what it is. It is a genetic code in a lipid nanoparticle envelope inserted into your body, therefore rendering this a gene therapy and it is investigational = an experimental drug. -> https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development 
    Even the SEC calls it gene therapy: "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA." -> https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm
     
    ***************************************
     
    Anyways, you asked me for laymen's terms, and I'm no doctor either lol
    In one sentence I would answer: For a disease with an overall 99.74% survival rate, why would I choose to be injected with an experimental unapproved drug that gives me less of a theoretical benefit than my immune system can provide me, and where the confidence of its quality by its own manufacturer is so low that they won't even offer liability for it, AND where there are several other safe and approved drugs available to treat this disease with a very high effectiveness?
    Where would be the rationale behind still choosing to get this injection? That's a serious question.
     
    More detail on my reasoning:
    The experimental injections...
    1- do not prevent infection or transmission 
    2- have a statistically insignificant efficacy of roughly 1% for preventing severity of symptoms
    3- have never gone through proper safety trials as required for all other vaccines, animal studies were completely skipped
    4- protocol of the clinical phase III trials show several data gaps
    5- we have over 425,950 adverse events and 4,500 deaths now reported in association with these shots (in comparison the swine flu vaccine was pulled after 53 associated deaths!) -> https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=F0B56B446EE5F8311B8C209C4EEC, and these are numbers in a system that catches less than 1% of adverse events, -> https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
    6- manufacturers have ZERO liability, all the while Pfizer has a very long rap sheet (criminal history) and Moderna has never produced an approved drug at all
    7- if you are injured you have extremely limited avenues, you only have 1 year, and you can only recoup medical expenses, nothing more. Not even legal expenses. The manufacturers are completely immune and tax dollars are paying for every cent paid to injured individuals.
    8- the inventor of mRNA technology Robert Malone has warned about many unevaluated risks as have hundreds of other doctors, many petitions and suits were filed. I can link to several if you wish. All these risks have not been investigated. Maybe that is why we now have more deaths associated with "vaccines" than we had in the last 30 years combined? -> https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-wodarg-dr-yeadon-request-stop-all-corona-vaccination-studies-call-co-signing-petition/5731458
    9- there is no data on when your body will actually stop creating the pathogen (the spike protein) - what could possibly go wrong...
    10- there is no data on long term safety because there logically cannot be any data given the limited time passed
    11- the manufacturers first said the created toxic spike proteins will stay in the injections site but it turned out otherwise, they travel all over the body and into the blood (https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075) which may lead to all the blood clotting events
    12- it is a given there will be many other discovered unknown unknowns given the process and more than short time frame to create these injections
     
    -Anyone who claims these injections are "safe" is not telling the truth. I would love to see data that confirms that they are indeed "safe".
    They are clearly not safe at all and there is a plethora of data for that. No one can even say they are safe given the fact that not enough time has passed to evaluate the long term safety.
     
    -Anyone who claims they are effective and insinuates a high efficacy is also not telling the truth. We have an estimated 1% efficacy according to the trial data.
    We have no data on effectiveness (there is a difference between efficacy and effectiveness).
    Interestingly in the Pfizer study there were 3,410 participants that were excluded from the efficacy calculation (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42). The reason for the exclusion was NOT revealed. Had they been included even the RRR would have been between 19 and 29% instead of the RRR of 95% (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/). Likewise the ARR/actual real efficacy would then be about 0%.
    I think this is what is actually happening. Because of the lack of preventing the infection or illness if you do get this shot that's why new "cases" are from both injected and uninjected.
     
    In addition, now we have even Rochelle Walensky herself admitting being fully "vaccinated" is not working and the "vaccinated can still spread the "virus".
    In contrast, and another argument for not getting this shot, is that our own natural immune system is way more sophisticated than anything the injection can do. Our natural immune system will give a much more robust immunity and for decades. Even for variants of a virus.
    I would rather get infected and have my immune system take care of it than exposing my body to a medical unnecessary experiment.
    And again, for the vulnerable there are at least 2 other drugs that work well and that are actually safe (have been for decades) and approved. I can share the studies if you wish.
     
    In summary: we have a potential lethal threat of 0.26%. And we have studies of drugs that work to overcome this.
    We do not have studies of injections that work.
    But we have tons of data on injuries that happen after people are injected.
    The decision is quite easy for me  
     
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    InhaleExhale reacted to TBoneTX in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Worth a read.
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    InhaleExhale reacted to Dashinka in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    No, just commenting on some methods of deflection.  Btw, where is the science behind the new CDC recommendation?  
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    InhaleExhale reacted to Dashinka in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Why should that matter?  
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    InhaleExhale reacted to Dashinka in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    Shouldn't the guy holding the rope be masked?
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    InhaleExhale reacted to LIBrty4all in All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)   
    This forum we are posting in, Current Events & Hot Social Topics.  Could also be called the DBSP forum - Derailed By Second Page.
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