ScottishHighlands

[Okay Gary. I will stop. John, I only post about those things that I think will be useful to others and about which I have some knowledge and understanding. I do know quite a bit about IMBRA so that's what I talk about here. I suppose if there was a forum here talking about the other things I know quite a bit about and have an interest in (e.g. sailing or medicine) I suppose I might speak up about those too.

Look, like I said, if you guys don't want me around, then fine, I'm out.]

Well, if IMBRA2005 stops lobbying for IMBRA on this forum, then I won't bother logging on to rebutt her remarks. I was just shocked earlier today when I saw her trying to lead people like sheep into reaching a "consensus" of being only upset at the "procedural delays" instead of the law itself.

But I don't believe for a second that IMBRA2005 isn't part of an organization like TJC that earns its money from donations "to protect women" and unashamedly trolls the Internet practically declaring who they are.

This "I do know quite a bit about IMBRA"...what is that supposed to mean?

Exactly how does she know more than the rest of us? The answer is that, like me, she is probably deeply involved in the lawsuit process regarding IMBRA.

I don't doubt that IMBRA2005 knows as much as I do about IMBRA.

Meanwhile, she is admitting that she has no foreign significant other.

GaryC: I want to marry and bring a Russian woman into the USA. Yes, I keep track of the lawsuits against IMBRA. Do you have more of a right to post complaints about how the lawsuits are causing you delays?

Is being against this law that caused the delays an "attack" against a forum that complains against the delays? I don't understand how anyone "attacked" this forum. Not even IMBRA2005 attacked the forum.

Did you really write a complaint to the moderator complaining about me and not IMBRA2005?

You, who are against the IMBRA law, are OK with someone whose very name is filled with agenda?

Does anyone really believe that she named herself IMBRA2005 because that was the topic on the day she registered?

Do you think it is OK to personally insult others with your opinion that "he's a loser"?

Don't some moderators ban those who personally insult others?

Apparently, your signing on awhile ago gives you non-loser status and the right to proclaim that those newbies who disagree with you are "losers."

At least JohnandMarlene gets it right: If people need to be banned for talking about IMBRA, then it should be at least IMBRA2005 and myself...because it is clear to all that she and I deeply disagree with each other and will be hearing from each other in the IMBRA lawsuits for a long time to come.

She is, however, not someone like myself who cares about this issue because I want to bring a foreigner into the USA. That makes her a lobbyist.

And then...what about the guy Dave who posted an anti-IMBRA thread? Should he be banned as well because GaryC doesn't agree with him?

And what about the 5 or 6 guys currently involved in IMBRA lawsuits who now know that this site exists?

They all want to bring someone into the country and are knowledgable about the immigration process.

Should the moderator now keep an eye out for non-Garys who want to fight IMBRA in the courts?

In the end, moderators almost always go with how they feel themselves about an issue. They seldom ban people for personally insulting others which GaryC and IMBRA2005 have just done.

I never personally insult others on a forum. I might insult the President for signing the law, but I don't insult others on a forum, period.

That is just good Internet forum policy.

IMBRA2005,

1) Why do you have no information posted about any fiance or foreign significant other?

2) Why do you come on an immigration forum calling yourself the name of the law that is screwing up the lives of everyone else on this forum?

[Next time, that's what I'll do then. Sorry for the misstep.]

Oh, that is rich. A lobbyist from the organization that wrote the IMBRA law...complaining to the moderator of an immigration site that people who want their fiances to come to the USA shouldn't come on the forum who disagree with her...when she seems to constantly cheer for IMBRA on the forum herself.

[nothing I've posted had the intended purpose of annoying or antagonizing existing members. That's the difference.]

The difference between you and me is that you are a lobbyist (activist) on this forum to make sure everyone agrees with IMBRA. You do not have a fiance or foreign boyfriend. I do have a Russian girlfriend whom I am going to want into the USA soon. I have no intention of annoying or antagonizing anyone, nor do I belong to a special interest lobbying group.

It is obvious that few people are aware, painfully or otherwise, just how much the fight against IMBRA is going to affect all of us who want to marry foreigners.

That certainly doesn't mean I would post every day.

But to suggest that this forum MUST be a forum where everyone complains about the DELAY instead of the law itself (and pro-IMBRA) lobbyists like IMBRA2005...is a bit strange.

Maybe if IMBRA2005 stopped her lobbying here...it would just be a run of the mill site where people would post only on the technicalities of the visa process.

Let's face it: IMBRA2005 does not have a boyfriend or fiance who might be affected by IMBRA.

She is here to lobby her cause which is the acceptance of IMBRA by those who want visas.

I suspect that she is with the TJC which got the law written and passed.

There is no problem with her being here to lobby her views. There is a problem if she is creating extra identities for herself.

Meanwhile, the half dozen guys at another IMBRA forum do have a right to come here and argue with her.

Ms. Miller (AKA IMBRA2005) has been using the VisaJourney forum to personally insult those who disagree with the IMBRA law and wish to launch lawsuits against it.

She is using the weak debating strategy of not dealing with the issues and just trying to whip up "everyone here thinks you are wrong"...when she doesn't even have a foreign boyfriend or fiance.

The men and women at GaryBala.com, who are also trying to get foreigners into the USA, almost have more of a right to come give their views on this forum than a member of the organization that wrote IMBRA.

I am about to propose to a Russian woman. I just found this website. I have as much moral right to post at VisaJourney as someone who has been here for two months. So do the 4 or 5 friends I know from GaryBala.com.

This thread only shows that IMBRA2005 is a professional who is perusing the anti-IMBRA blogs.

IMBRA2005 has a mission to influence VisaJourney.com members despite her not having a fiance or foreign boyfriend herself.

It is important to understand that the Europeans in general, and not just the Russians, don't have the paranoid concepts of seeing dark reasons for the interactions of adult males with women and children.

In much of Europe in general, people can and will ask adult strangers to "look after their kids" while they go to the bathroom or purchase food at the food stand, especially if there had been any interaction with the "stranger". American males, especially, are considered to be gentlemen of the highest degree.

I am sure there are many American special interest groups that would like to reverse this image of Americans and of men in general (both on the right and the left of politics).

Meanwhile, Russia is still a place where the leader of the country can give a kid a raspberry and not be thought of as being a gay child molestor. This would only help his ratings in the polls because Russian people just don't have minds in the gutter the way many of our domestic special interest groups would want them to.

And this attitude that all men are innocent unless proven guilty...is one hell of a reason why there are so many foreign marriages. A great attitude toward adult males seeps through within minutes after a person arrives in any given country.

For those of you who are still on the fence, please read the Georgia judge's restraining order against IMBRA:

http://www.imbra.org/images/TROJudge_sFinalOrder.pdf

Among other things, the judge says that the exclusion of Match.com and Yahoo Personals was a violation of the Constitution. If you are going to regulate Americans and foreigners meeting each other, you have to regulate Match.com and Yahoo. Arguments that these websites are more "feminist" friendly...are meaningless. They introduce total strangers to each other and one of those strangers could be dangerous. If you are going to violate everyone's rights because someone might be dangerous, then you have to step on the toes of major corporations like Match and Yahoo who can afford armies of lawyers and get politicians voted out of office.

There is a lawsuit against MySpace.com now. A girl's mother is suing the News Corp subsidiary (of which Fox News belongs) because she feels that the site should be verifying how old everyone is who uses Internet chat sites.

This means that users of VisaJourney.com should have provided proof of who they are and how old they are exactly in order to speak.

This wonderful lawsuit against MySpace.com will help get everyone's rights defined.

While the TJC and European Connections fight themselves to the Supreme Court over IMBRA...many other lawsuits will be fought with companies like MySpace and Yahoo forced to defend themselves with armies of lawyers.

The decisions made in the other lawsuits will directly affect how the Supreme Court finally decides over IMBRA.

I suspect that the MySpace.com lawsuit will end in favor of MySpace.com and the public's right not to have to prove their ages (and therefore their identities) in order to talk online.

Those decisions will be used to defeat IMBRA for the same thing: male users of international dating sites should not have to identify themselves at any point in the process, except on the visa form and then without having to say they used an international dating site.

Notice that IMBRA2005 isn't even trying to pretend that she has a foreign significant other. She is a lobbyist. Her income comes from playing up this issue and getting donations.

[And once the federal judge in Ohio came out with his ruling practically laughing them out of court, the mail order bride companies picked up their marbles, and went home crying.]

She is referring to the court cases you can read about at IMBRA.ORG.

IMBRA2005: Please admit to everyone here what organization you work for. Is it the TJC or not? Is your salary paid by donations from people who want to help "protect foreign women from abuse"? Disclosure please.

Also, please answer: did the Ohio Plaintiffs quit? I HOPE SO!! Because their case was weakened by having a female lawyer who won't argue the "intentions" of IMBRA like the male Georgia lawyer did. Also: the Ohio Plaintiffs consist of websites with modern Email technology that could, if demanded, comply with IMBRA. So the judge told them that their business would not be affected and "Americans have no fundamental liberty interest in meeting foreigners for relationships".

Also the Ohio Plaintiff, Mark S, seemed like a clueless metrosexual who told an Ohio newspaper "I think the law is well intentioned but I don't see why I have to tell a foreigner about my former marriages and number of children". He cluelessly upheld IMBRA with that statement. You don't strike down a bad law by saying it was "well-intentioned".

The Georgia case is what counts and we may disagree about the restraining order there on whether it covers the Visa process.

But it has kept all the good international dating websites in business.

There is no big "mail order bride" website that is either out of business or really complying with IMBRA. Even when a site says it complies, it of course does no such thing.

The Georgia TRO is keeping these sites in business and in non-compliance with IMBRA.

Soon, this summer, there will be more lawsuits dealing more specifically with the visa process. Plus, the TJC will not be spared lawsuits for fraud (making money from "donations" while holding up everyone's visas).

Nobody here will be spared delays because of IMBRA as long as the users of so-called "Marriage Brokers" are persecuted. It is as simple as that.

You are caught in the battle between the TJC and the kind of American man who actually has a pair.

[The people we call for help at agencies across the country have no idea what IMBRA is or how it is affecting our lives. The people we are supposed to call for answers to our questions only leave us with more questions.]

If the American people knew what IMBRA really is and how deeply it affects all our lives, freedom of the Internet and the interpretation of the Constitution, it would be repealed. So you can expect people not to have any idea about IMBRA.

Almost all the US media, including Fox News, refuses to discuss IMBRA.

And I can promise you that some key employees at the US Embassy in Berlin don't WANT to impose IMBRA because they believe it is a bad law.

But they cannot speak out because they need their pensions.

But you can be sure that Embassy and Consular employees who don't agree with IMBRA...will be harrassing everyone with it, especially American women who apply for fiance visas, in order to make it as fair as possible.

The fact is: those of us who want to marry foreigners are an insignificant minority in the USA. We're the elite. But the vast majority of Americans can rule us and they get judges into power like the one in Ohio who said "Americans have no fundamental liberty interest in meeting foreigners".

So it doesn't matter to the public if 10,000 Americans are caught up in red tape now. It barely made the news and only on a slow news day two weeks ago.

Welcome to the club of the victims of a bad law with hidden intentions: that of destroying international dating sites and trying to put the brakes on social globalization. Go to IMBRA.ORG and read the actual law. How are foreign women without email supposed to approve of specific men contacting them? They cannot and the authors of the law know this. The law was written in bad faith. The authors don't want American men even meeting foreign women. The definition of an IMB is a joke. Most men who use "mail order bride" websites have no intention of marrying anyone anymore than most users of Match or Yahoo seriously intend to find a mate that way.

Why do you think the US government is not defending itself in all the IMBRA lawsuits? Instead there is only a special interest group trying to defend the law. You have to realize that this special interest group, represented here by IMBRA2005, is not acting in YOUR interest.

The TJC leaders pay themselves big salaries from the "donations" they get to "protect foreign women" from "American abusers". It is a big business.

Don't expect people to know anything about IMBRA until the media starts to discuss it and to allow the public to talk to each other about it.

For the person who said "Who would you sue and what would you sue for", this is the answer:

http://www.imbra.org/images/TROJudge_sFinalOrder.pdf

The Attorney General is under restraining order for an unconstitutional law...which the DHS is now construing only as a restraining order on the law enforcement punishment of dating websites with more than 50% foreigners on them.

So the simple answer is: Someone needs to launch a class action suit against the DHS noting that the backhanded persecution of men who met their fiances (2 years ago and have lived with in their country for 1 year) via a website...amounts to hampering free speech up front in the same manner that harrassing website owners would have done.

Congress has had power over immigration in times when arguments were relatively reasonable, but this backhanded persecution via bizarre ideological questions on forms...severely tests the limits of that statement.

Those of you who "just don't like the bureacratic delays"...be prepared to be delayed just as long as those who met their fiances on the Internet.

Remember what the Ohio Republican Judge Thomas Rose just said on May 26th:

"The Supreme Court has never explicitly recognized a fundamental liberty interest in Americans meeting foreigners for relationships."

Think again if you think "I agree with this law if it will save even one woman from being abused." Think again if you falsely believe that a significant number of website and "agency" users marry their fiance without getting to know them for awhile first.

Because, as 4,000 American women are killed each year by their American husbands...you are giving up a "fundamental liberty interest" in meeting YOUR fiance.

All because you "agree" with something that the media has been trying very, very hard for you to "agree" with.

The Ohio Court and IMBRA2005 (who is actually part of the TJC fighting in place of the government to uphold IMBRA) are basically telling you that you NEVER HAD a fundamental right to meet your foreign fiance in the first place.

Whether you are an American woman or an American man.

You will get to marry your partner only on the sufferance of the US government.

Think about it.

And be prepared for a whole new round of delays as several new lawsuits put a restraining order on the DHS forcing them to cancel this RFE form and proceed with the old form.

I am going to make sure this happens.

By the way Jen,

Your life with David will be hampered by a law that is now caught in the middle of furious lawsuits and supposedly under restraining order (which the DHS is ignoring). I am one of the people involved in planning the various lawsuits that can be expected to hold up everyone's visas.

An American woman who doesn't agree with the insane law, should file a quick lawsuit specifically asking for a restraining order on the DHS.

If American women start getting visas for their west European fiances faster than American men getting visas for Russian or Eastern European fiances...there will be even more lawsuits.

The men affected will make it hard for everyone as long as IMBRA exists.

Meanwhile, gays are excluded from getting visas to visit American partners. The list of people who will be persecuted in the future will only grow now that IMBRA was allowed to persecute the politically unpopular group called "heterosexual white male."

IMBRA will pave the way for regulation of Match.com and Yahoo and all domestic dating sites. Women who have been abused by male Yahoo members can and should file lawsuits...so Americans can finally get legal precedents set regardling relationships.

The Ohio judge in one IMBRA lawsuit, ruling temporarily in favor of IMBRA, said "The Supreme Court has never explicitly recognized a fundamental liberty interest in Americans meeting foreigners for intimate relationships."

If those words don't frighten you...if your hatred toward Russian women is so strong that you don't see the meaning of those words...than you and envision two entirely different worlds and Americas going into the so-called Independence Day Weekend.

Soon, the IMBRA precedent can be used to ask if you and your fiance ever went to an anti-war rally...etc, etc.

Personally, I am in favor of blocking the immigration of anyone who has ever stated that they like to see US soldiers killed in Iraq. But I would shudder at actually getting a law passed on that subject.

Future laws, if IMBRA is upheld in the current legal battle, will certainly punish anyone who met in an Internet chat room.

It simply is none of the government's business to imply that those who met on an Internet site should be punished.

Regarding Match.com and Yahoo...these two companies warned Senator Maria Cantwell that there would be major political war if they were not excluded from the IMBRA Nuernberg Law on Race and Citizenship. So the racist law says that a website with more than 50% foreigners is an IMB. That excludes Match and Yahoo as an IMB and you can say No on the form.

Of course, I would say No on the form no matter what. The fine is $10,000 if you get caught? The feminists don't have the balls to try to enforce this.

Plus, there is already a Restraining Order on IMBRA. The DHS is acting illegally by releasing these forms.

If the government can disregard a judge's restraining order, you can just sign No on the form.

Or better yet, launch a quick lawsuit asking for a restraining order on the DHS.

Check out www.garybala.com and www.online-dating-rights.com as well as www.imbra.org and www.veteransabroad.com.

Don't take IMBRA lying down.

The lawsuit needed now needs to be for a quick restraining order on IMBRA.