Voice of Reason

You're not pathetic.  Many of us have been in your shoes, on one side or the other.  I didn't want kids in my previous marriage, and it came down to "either we have kids, or I will leave".  So... we had kids.  And years later, she left me for another guy.  I love my kids dearly, and now cannot imagine life without them.  But I often wonder what would have happened had I just divorced her when she gave me the ultimatum.  Water under the bridge, eh?
 
I asked that about sex because when younger,  boys often push girls to have sex.  I'm not talking coercion, or any kind of forceful encounters.  But I know I had to talk and talk and TALK my way into my first GFs panties.  Persuasion at its most persistent, for sure.  Finally, she gave in.  Was I wrong for being so pushy?  Today, I'd say yes.  And I'd tell the younger me that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.  But I wouldn't have listened back then,  and saw nothing wrong with what I was doing. 
 
Fast forward to marriage, and I'd say having sex is a requirement or obligation.  When both want it, great.  When one's libido is lagging, not so good.  But which way do you go then?  I say both ways.  Sometimes, if it's not your choice to have sex, but your spouse wants it, you should do it for them. (And hopefully find some pleasure yourself along the way.)  And other times, the person who wants it needs to relent and give the less-desiring spouse a break.  IOW, it's give and take all around.  Sometimes, even now, I have to "talk her into it".  Other times, I have to beg for a break.  And that keeps it from being boring.  At the end of the day, giving it up even when you're not in the mood can make your spouse feel like you care.  And said spouse will likely reciprocate.  
 
Again, I'm not talking about forcing each other; rather,  fulfilling the obligation of pleasuring another sexually, even if the level of horniness is not equal.  I feel like I owe her that, and if I am not willing to give it, then I can't realistically expect her to stay happy with me for very long.

Feel? To me. I could care less. I find idiotic behavior distasteful no matter what ditch it rises from.
 
Just makes you a hypocrite 

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

I'll just sit back and wait for the buyers' remorse.......

Yep, what GOP candidate will get the number of votes that Trump got?  I for one will never vote for a Republican again not that it will really matter.  TX will flip next time just like you predicted it would this year.  I think your prediction is only four years early.  Anyway, the Lincoln Project folks are getting their payday, so that is all that matters.  

and replaced with a bona-fide corrupt politician who has never achieved anything other than lining his pockets by selling his influence......  

I guess we can say now "Donald Trump, you are fired!"

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

Having empathy and EQ are one thing, being overly influenced by infantile emotional appeal is another. I don't care what subjective criteria others apply in how I see things. I see Trump pissing off the right insular group of elites who believe they're the gatekeepers to public office or power rather than the people and to the benefit of other countries rather than the US. Also upsetting those with far too much persona obsession.
 
You promised Texas.. wasn't even close. I don't think you know your own state as well as you believe. 😉

To all my VJ friends and acquaintances, I wish apologize for a link I inadvertently posted last week.  It was about Hunter, and the thread title was something about p0rnhub.  When I posted the link, I had only skimmed the top two paragraphs, and failed to notice that there were some risqué (though pixelated) photos further down the page.
 
If anyone saw it and was offended by it, I sincerely apologize for the affront. I may be hard-headed and argumentative, but I have never intentionally posted the likes of that in my 10+ years here.  Those of you who know me, I trust that you know it was an accident.  
 
And for those of you who voted for Biden,.congrats on the win.  I hope you get what you wished for in this election.   Alas, I did not, but thems the breaks.  I hope everyone will support the office of the president if not the man (woman), and I hope we will prosper from the changes.  But I have my doubts on the latter.

People should really try bidets. My first experience with them was when I worked at Googleplex, since then have been a fan. Saves so much tp. 

The wife from Pitcairn Island?

Amazing how that thar 'Rona knows just what a swing state is.

Awesome news!  Sadly, Pelosi said today that she is confident Biden will win, so we will never see Trump's plan go into effect.  Oh well...

Hopefully those 40,000 people are going online or calling and verifying their ballot has been received by the polling officials.  I know I did.

You should have called for the manager before you paid, and had said manager escort them outside.  It's not the clerk's job to do that.

Kind of falls under election fraud, I think...
 
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hackers-steal-millions-of-dollars-out-from-wisconsin-republican-party-in-final-days-of-election-party-chairman
 

Hopefully those 40,000 people are going online or calling and verifying their ballot has been received by the polling officials.  I know I did.

You should have called for the manager before you paid, and had said manager escort them outside.  It's not the clerk's job to do that.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/29/james_rosen_fbi_has_an_active_criminal_investigation_into_hunter_biden_for_money_laundering.html 
 
Reckon the FBI does active investigations into things that are just made up?

Amazing how that thar 'Rona knows just what a swing state is.