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I'm not referring necessarily to the ones arrested since Oct 7. Although those as well once they have a trial. But I was specifically referring to those already with lengthy prison sentences. Change the law or their sentences if you have to, I'm generally not a fan of capital punishment but for terrorists? Sure.

Deif and sinwar are both in gaza and should be executed. Anyone outside of gaza should be targeted as well (mossad should handle that as its done before. Qatar does not equal immunity).
 
It's impossible to kill all personnel, that's not the goal. The goal is to remove the weapons (and actively preventing them from replenishing afterwards) and the leadership/anyone involved in what happened, and find the hostages. These are minimal objectives imo. Anything less equals defeat.

I mean 30% of the population has already been moved. Doesn't really take much more than that. Alot of it is underground...if you can enter/exit tunnels in gaza city which is where the majority of forces are gonna be, chances are you can get the other side of them taken care of as well. There's really no other option. My understanding is that's exactly the plan- destroy their tunnels, find all the weapons caches and rocket factories and destroy them etc. More importantly though will be the day after. In order for things to not get to the same point 10 years from now, there will need to be strong intelligence and thwarting similar to what Israel's been doing in Syria. Anytning new coming in will need to be destroyed on the spot, not in the next war.
 
Also, think of it as something similar to what Israel did during operation defensive shield. If it was possible in the west Bank at the time, I can't see why it wouldn't be possible in gaza today 

Man, those sure were the days...
 
 
Nice, welcome. You call gush etzion safe? Haha. Hats off to ya. I grew up in Israel apart from 4 years in Boston (ages 4-8), but haven't lived there for 10 years now...however still have plenty of family there. I was fresh out of the army in 2006 when the war with hezbollah broke out, so quite familiar with the sirens. Something that appears a bit new though that I'm hearing about is what you also mentioned that even in central Israel you can sort of hear/feel the attacks in gaza, pretty intense
 
As you say, Israel is fighting for its survival, there's only one acceptable result to this war and that's destroying hamas, demilitarizing Gaza, and rescuing all hostages dead or alive. No negotiations or prisoner swaps. Anything short of this will signal to hezbollah and others that Israel is weak and completely evaporate what's left of deterrence.
 
It's really a no Brainer and yet it's stunning to see how many on social media (I'm pretty active on X myself and try to help hasbara a bit these days) or around the world seem to think what Israel is doing isn't justified or proportional or that it should just quit. Some of them because let's face it they are jew haters. But some also lack the strategic foresight and literally don't realize that will bring about the demise of it. People don't understand that it takes being tough to survive in the middle east. I for one truly hope Israel goes all the way this time and doesn't stop before mission accomplished. However long it takes, whatever toll it takes. It's time to finish the job.

That would say something now wouldn't it. 
 
Executing israeli civilians in captivity = good
Executing terrorists in prison = bad

That would say something now wouldn't it. 
 
Executing israeli civilians in captivity = good
Executing terrorists in prison = bad

And because Arabs/"Palestinians" are oppressed brown minorities and Jews are all lily-white*.
     *apparently including Ethiopian Jews

They, like many gazans, sympathized and identified with hamas. The material they filmed was alot of basically hamas propaganda (in addition to the head camera footage by the terrorists themselves) in the guise of "journalism". I don't think they knew way ahead because most hamas members didn't, but they definitely knew what they're about to film when they rode the same bikes and trucks as the terrorists, and they definitely had a good time filming it. To me, they are terrorists and if they were directly targeted by the IDF, I would not shed a tear 

This takes me back a bit to the conversation right after it happened about what would be considered a success or otherwise a defeat. I think, one month in, it's becoming a little easier to see that the objectives are achievable...it won't be easy, it will take time (i see people talking about 2-3 months, i think its closer to a year), and there will be a cost. But it's possible, as long as the politicians don't try to stop the military from completing what it knows how to do for whatever dumb reason. If they have to go house house, tunnel tunnel then that's what they have to do. Israel has surprised the world before by doing the "impossible" many times and it can do it again

Progressivism is a mental illness

Yeah I've seen alot of it. Almost "live" the night it happened on mainly telegram and X. And some in the days following (including new stuff still coming out now). I didn't get to see what the idf made, but from what I heard about the things in there about 80% of it is on the internet as well. There's a few things that are in the film though that aren't, and those I did not see.
 
You can't watch that stuff without being reminded every single time why it's crucial to completely do away with the nazis of the 21st century. I don't mention nazis lightly and in the past have always been hesitant to agree with anyone calling nazis any people other than, well, the original nazis. But make no mistake - these are not only nazis; they are worse nazis than the nazis of the 20th century. And that statement includes any of their sympathizers worldwide too.

Yeah I've seen alot of it. Almost "live" the night it happened on mainly telegram and X. And some in the days following (including new stuff still coming out now). I didn't get to see what the idf made, but from what I heard about the things in there about 80% of it is on the internet as well. There's a few things that are in the film though that aren't, and those I did not see.
 
You can't watch that stuff without being reminded every single time why it's crucial to completely do away with the nazis of the 21st century. I don't mention nazis lightly and in the past have always been hesitant to agree with anyone calling nazis any people other than, well, the original nazis. But make no mistake - these are not only nazis; they are worse nazis than the nazis of the 20th century. And that statement includes any of their sympathizers worldwide too.

They, like many gazans, sympathized and identified with hamas. The material they filmed was alot of basically hamas propaganda (in addition to the head camera footage by the terrorists themselves) in the guise of "journalism". I don't think they knew way ahead because most hamas members didn't, but they definitely knew what they're about to film when they rode the same bikes and trucks as the terrorists, and they definitely had a good time filming it. To me, they are terrorists and if they were directly targeted by the IDF, I would not shed a tear 

Most of the world doesn't even have an Occasional-Cortex.
Where's the 1,000-upvotes button?

The irony is that now alot of the anti Israel dimwits keep saying "there is no hamas in the west Bank so why is Israel attacking there too". Just more lies from the pathological liars side. Israel is fighting hamas there all the time which is why it's been weaker ever since 2003. But it's definitely there and if Israel didn't do what it does it would have already taken over the west Bank as well

100%. Saw the video the other day on X. But yes, what's been proven Is that more concessions don't translate into more peace but the opposite is true. Once Israel withdrew from Gaza they were able to build the tunnels, get a ton of rockets and more explosives etc. All much worse than before. After the Oslo accords the west Bank was going the same way, operation defensive shield which I mentioned a few weeks ago and following up on it with smaller operations since (often referred to as "lawn mowing") have made things calm down somewhat (but still worse than what it was before the deals). 
 
Current model I think for gaza is similar. To go back to being like Area B of the west Bank. I think it's doable. I would say I was never part of the extreme left, but also not the right. Growing up, I believed in peace, wanted to see it happen and was excited whenever they televised any new signings.
 
That has changed for me as well. It's now obvious to anyone with a brain (seems half the world + is missing one) that if Israel doesn't retain control over security in those areas it will very quickly come under existential threat. 
 
Also about hezbollah I personally think they've already taken it too far. I'm really tired of over a month of nothing but threats from Israel as well as the US while this ####### for tat is ongoing and escalating almost daily. I say Beirut needs to get buried now, not later. Or as always, the "later" will carry a much heavier price 

I mean...to me it seems for several decades now like stating the obvious

This takes me back a bit to the conversation right after it happened about what would be considered a success or otherwise a defeat. I think, one month in, it's becoming a little easier to see that the objectives are achievable...it won't be easy, it will take time (i see people talking about 2-3 months, i think its closer to a year), and there will be a cost. But it's possible, as long as the politicians don't try to stop the military from completing what it knows how to do for whatever dumb reason. If they have to go house house, tunnel tunnel then that's what they have to do. Israel has surprised the world before by doing the "impossible" many times and it can do it again

Hadn't seen it, but great stuff... and too close to the truth.

I saw that one the other day, hilarious but sad. Also not sure if you guys have seen this, been trending this week, from my favorite satire show in Israel
 
https://youtu.be/rbfccVBo9tE?si=ntgojozXvCeoqaM7

Meh, I don't think that's the right solution. You'll end up either truly an apartheid state (right now people just like to claim it is, but it's not because Palestinians are not israelis), or you'll be a Muslim state run by sharia law. No third option.
 
I'm alot closer to Naftali Bennetts plan than anything else on this at this point
 
Also, I don't really go to the synagogue...but if I went into a specialty (kosher) store or bakery or something like that I'd probably be very aware of my surroundings. Can never be too safe 

Meh, I don't think that's the right solution. You'll end up either truly an apartheid state (right now people just like to claim it is, but it's not because Palestinians are not israelis), or you'll be a Muslim state run by sharia law. No third option.
 
I'm alot closer to Naftali Bennetts plan than anything else on this at this point
 
Also, I don't really go to the synagogue...but if I went into a specialty (kosher) store or bakery or something like that I'd probably be very aware of my surroundings. Can never be too safe 

Tbh I've never been a fan of forcing citizenship. Why would you want such a major change to your demography? You'll end up being a minority in a few decades 
 
 
There is a power plant but it only supplies a few hours worth a day (when it's working, rn it's out of fuel). Israel supplied the rest but not anymore. Important to mention that while they did plan it for a couple of years and do have stockpiles of fuel and other supplies for their own uses, they just don't care about the people in gaza so ofc didn't feel the need to make sure they have enough as well. I'm sure their thinking was Israel will just give in and supply it, or the world will.
 
Also about jews living in fear...I do think that there's a ton of anti semitism out there, but personally can't say I encounter it or live in fear of it. Might be because I'm in Saint johns County, FL which is 75% republican (also i dont really "look jewish", im not religious etc). I've long told people that if I could walk into a bar with a bunch of bds supporters and other progressives, or a bar with alt right folks I would feel alot safer going into the latter. I've had so many people raise their eyebrows at me for that. Maybe now they understand it better, who knows

Tbh I've never been a fan of forcing citizenship. Why would you want such a major change to your demography? You'll end up being a minority in a few decades 
 
 
There is a power plant but it only supplies a few hours worth a day (when it's working, rn it's out of fuel). Israel supplied the rest but not anymore. Important to mention that while they did plan it for a couple of years and do have stockpiles of fuel and other supplies for their own uses, they just don't care about the people in gaza so ofc didn't feel the need to make sure they have enough as well. I'm sure their thinking was Israel will just give in and supply it, or the world will.
 
Also about jews living in fear...I do think that there's a ton of anti semitism out there, but personally can't say I encounter it or live in fear of it. Might be because I'm in Saint johns County, FL which is 75% republican (also i dont really "look jewish", im not religious etc). I've long told people that if I could walk into a bar with a bunch of bds supporters and other progressives, or a bar with alt right folks I would feel alot safer going into the latter. I've had so many people raise their eyebrows at me for that. Maybe now they understand it better, who knows

Well it won't be easy but the only path forward would be to eliminate all terror groups and get the Palestinian authority to reform their education system if they want to even negotiate anything ever again. That should be, and is (with recent israeli governments) a precondition. That's one of the main reasons there haven't been negotiations for so long - because they refuse. 
 
There have been plenty of examples where this is possible if they actually want to do it. Some other countries in the region that used to be very hostile have already started doing it, including Saudi. If they don't - then oh well. It won't advance their cause, and fighting will continue