chri'stina

this is my little man at 22 weeks. When they were pushing on my belly to get him to move around, he put his hand in front of his face as if to say 'leave me alone, I'm sleeping' lol

Don't tell me they don't know.

It kind of sickens me to hear this. It's not even about if the baby can feel pain. It has a formed body with organs... fingers, toes, eyes, everything. It can hiccup, wince, feel the mother's emotions. Who cares about pain at that point?

Well, the gov't allowed the State of FL to starve Terri Schiavo to death, even posting a policeman by her bed to ensure nothing be given to her by mouth to sustain her life. They said she felt no pain, despite her moans, oh and the fact that they gave her iv painkillers too.

The length that some people will go to in order to justify abortion staggers the mind. How about killing a quadrapelegic by stabbing him/her in the heart. They can't feel pain below the neck...

I find disturbing the assumption that pain is a moral precedent. Nobody would excuse murder on the premise that the victim felt no pain.

Is this any clearer for you or for your cat?
You're another annoying poster in a line of posters saying the same thing and arguing with no one and in your case desperately looking for a fight on religion. In case you haven't noticed, it's not particularly novel on this forum and rarely very interesting except to zealots like yourself. Sorry about the religious reference there.
I'm not very religious but then again I don't drone about issues I don't personally believe in but for others it may be a central issue. If you really believe no one has ever lost their faith due to reason, then why bother trying to "convert" people to atheism?

Word on the street is he bought a quiznos rofl.

Cool. I can dig it.
Got you down to (up to?) -10.
(from -11, that is)

wow, -7, eh?
lol, I'd almost hate to see my reputation if they still showed that on profiles...

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I don't know why I am even commenting, I haven't read the first part of the thread just the last 2 or so pages.
How can modesty NOT involve what someone is wearing? Of course it does! In each culture though, there are different standards. I would not think it would be wise while visiting India to walk around in a short shorts and a tank top as a woman, unless you want to make a spectacle of yourself.
And come on, who can't see clearly while out and about that a woman with her cleavage all exposed would be considered less modest than someone without that going on. Not everyone has the same views and value system, yet over and over people try to put their value system onto others as the only right one.
Do I think a woman needs to cover every single inch of her body, and hair, to be modest? No...but I was raised in the US and not in a religion that supports that much coverage. I do however find it immodest to dress in a skanky fashion and I would never do it. In India skanky would be something different than here probably.

Not that I care what the bible does and doesn't say, but really, it definitely does not say that, or anything like it. What a bizarre thing to iterate from someone allegedly so learned.

I didn't realize every single conservative person was exactly the same. How did I, as a conservative, manage to marry an Indian??

Hmm, but she is writing for BP, it's from their website. Trying to make it sound all pretty and positive. She isn't reporting for outside news or etc. I don't sense sarcasm in the piece.

So you would ignore the 2000 years of religious significance of the area? Then you don't really have even a small grasp of the problem.

Hmm, but she is writing for BP, it's from their website. Trying to make it sound all pretty and positive. She isn't reporting for outside news or etc. I don't sense sarcasm in the piece.

From: http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033611&contentId=7062628
Ballet at Sea
Paula Kolmar - 28 May 2010
Triangles, circles, v-angles: precision shapes at sea executed by shrimping vessels and choreographed by skimming perfectionists to stop any oil from potentially getting close to Alabama's coast.
Though there isn't oil close to shore, practices and rehearsals occur almost daily in preparation.
I was on a jack-up boat observing the practice operations several miles out of Bayou La Batre on a day when the ocean was calm, except for the groups of dolphins swimming around us. Even a shark came along to watch the show. Hot, humid conditions intensified by bright sunlight in a cloudless sky were actually made pleasant by the salty sea breezes topped off with lots of sunscreen and bottles of water.
Over about four hours we, all guests of Gulf Coast native Captain Wade and his local crew, enjoyed the spectacular ballet at sea. Mind you, these drills are executed by local shrimping captains on shrimping boats who know these waters and how to catch shrimp! Until a few weeks ago, they didn't work in tandem, making shapes with Navy-grade boom attached to skimming boats and equipment designed to capture oil.
Watching the captains weave the long black boom as seamlessly as a professional ballet troupe performs an intricate dance, I found it difficult to believe that the rehearsals only started some weeks ago.
From the relative comfort of a large square deck with a cold bottle of water always in hand, and an air-conditioned TV room with comfy sofas a level below, I witnessed beauty preparing to face the beast. Miss Jasmine, the most experienced local shrimping vessel, beautifully painted with a colourful dragon streaming along her sides, pulled the folded boom in place. Then gently pulling along her side, another vessel took on a rope from Miss Jasmine. With barely a pause, the two boats moved apart at the same speed, spreading the boom into a v-shape just like birds form in the sky.
As this unfolded, a Navy skimmer craft attached itself to the point. Gently caressing the sea surface, the three vessels circled and swirled, guiding the boom without changing the design.
A ballet at sea as mesmerising as any performance in a concert hall, and worthy of an audience in its own right.
(end of piece)
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So much to say, so little time. I never knew cleaning up destructive oil could be so...beautiful. (sarcasm alert)

I know this topic is very controversial and I am not sure what every answer is. But I find it over the top when people rant and rave about Israel being a terrorist government. I have read the same biased opinion of it from so many people who are either from a certain region of the world or of a certain religion. I know there are others in that region who would actually like peace with their neighboring Israelis but mostly I read so much hate and anger from both sides. It's no wonder why they are so defensive of them self as a nation when other nations, not very far from them, are always wanting them out of there completely. How sweet. I do not support every single thing Israel does, but I definitely support their right to have a presence in what are also their lands. I am not against a Palestinian state to be formed somehow, but do I really see that happening in a peaceful way?? Not anytime soon. That's my opinion. I am also biased, in favor of Israel.

From: http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033611&contentId=7062628
Ballet at Sea
Paula Kolmar - 28 May 2010
Triangles, circles, v-angles: precision shapes at sea executed by shrimping vessels and choreographed by skimming perfectionists to stop any oil from potentially getting close to Alabama's coast.
Though there isn't oil close to shore, practices and rehearsals occur almost daily in preparation.
I was on a jack-up boat observing the practice operations several miles out of Bayou La Batre on a day when the ocean was calm, except for the groups of dolphins swimming around us. Even a shark came along to watch the show. Hot, humid conditions intensified by bright sunlight in a cloudless sky were actually made pleasant by the salty sea breezes topped off with lots of sunscreen and bottles of water.
Over about four hours we, all guests of Gulf Coast native Captain Wade and his local crew, enjoyed the spectacular ballet at sea. Mind you, these drills are executed by local shrimping captains on shrimping boats who know these waters and how to catch shrimp! Until a few weeks ago, they didn't work in tandem, making shapes with Navy-grade boom attached to skimming boats and equipment designed to capture oil.
Watching the captains weave the long black boom as seamlessly as a professional ballet troupe performs an intricate dance, I found it difficult to believe that the rehearsals only started some weeks ago.
From the relative comfort of a large square deck with a cold bottle of water always in hand, and an air-conditioned TV room with comfy sofas a level below, I witnessed beauty preparing to face the beast. Miss Jasmine, the most experienced local shrimping vessel, beautifully painted with a colourful dragon streaming along her sides, pulled the folded boom in place. Then gently pulling along her side, another vessel took on a rope from Miss Jasmine. With barely a pause, the two boats moved apart at the same speed, spreading the boom into a v-shape just like birds form in the sky.
As this unfolded, a Navy skimmer craft attached itself to the point. Gently caressing the sea surface, the three vessels circled and swirled, guiding the boom without changing the design.
A ballet at sea as mesmerising as any performance in a concert hall, and worthy of an audience in its own right.
(end of piece)
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So much to say, so little time. I never knew cleaning up destructive oil could be so...beautiful. (sarcasm alert)

Paul is far more callous and not nearly as clever.

Oh please. I like cute photos as much as the next girl, but Robin's (Trompe's) point is getting lost and twisted. She was referring to the sheer number of threads and making a comparison between two posters' propensity (at different times) to post high levels of new topics. She never brought content into the mix. I'm sorry if that's too difficult for people to understand. Furthermore, I hardly believe it is Robin who has "followers" that are jumping to her defence just because she got a couple of +1s -- just look how all of a sudden we have people defending poor Amby's honour from mean, mean Robin. Seriously, I think there's a mirror in your bathroom. Go have a look in it and report back on what you see.

If some people want to ignore the fact that certain people have rubbed other people the wrong way, go ahead.

/pulls up a chair and watches the excuses to fly.

Bill, I know that I've participated in the antagonizing. I have for several years thought it would be better to have less moderation and be more loose with the TOS in OT. I also have a fairly thick hide or I wouldn't have hung out in OT all these years. But what I've seen is a lot of intelligent, meaningful discussions turn into toilet water because antagonism bleeds from one thread into the next. It's easy to hijack a thread. What takes effort is learning to keep emotions in check, articulate your thoughts and show civility even to those you might dislike or disagree with.