Marriage fraud advice

[mushroomspore 3,043]

1 hour ago, femme25 said:

ok so we were married on october 1, 2018 in Europe, then it took around a year and a few months or his immigration interview at US consulate, which was supposd to take place in march 2020, but due to covid the whole thing halted until a year later, so he entered the US right after obtaining his IV visa a week prior to his travel so he entered April 1 a two an a half months ago. You said if u were married for two or more years...so yes we were as it happened in europe on october of 2018 but he only got his immigration visa just now. So do I count the two years from the time of our marriage overseas or now after he entered two month ago? I'm really confused. 

You guys married October 2018. He ENTERED the USA with his immigrant visa on April 2021. So at the time of his entry, your marriage to him was more than 2 years old and that makes a LPR, not a conditional resident. His GC will be valid for 10 years and there is nothing you can really do about his immigration status anymore. The dating site stuff is evidence of infidelity and that is not the same as immigration fraud. USCIS generally investigates on their own terms, not ours. They get lots of phone calls from angry ex-spouses all the time about "fraud" but fraud in the legal sense requires specific kinds of evidence to be accepted in court. For immigration fraud, the accepted evidence and definitions are even more specific and narrow. Withholding his GC is also a bad idea as that is a crime. It's not your property, first off. Second, it's official federal-government-issued documentation so the punishment for withholding something like that is even worse than keeping a random belonging that simply isn't yours. My advice is to file for divorce and move on. 

[nastra30 1,979]

Sorry op, he's getting a 10 year green card and nothing you can do about it. Plus the green card is his personal property so you can't hold on to it. To add insult to injury, even if you divorce him you are still responsible for his affidavit of support sponsorship and any financial woes in incurs with the government. Unless at some point he is no longer a greencard holder. 

As others have said, just divorce and move on. Though you'll still be responsible for his financial sponsorship. All the best.

[TBoneTX 43,043]

Thread is moved from General Immigration Discussion to the Effects of Major Changes forum.

[Diane and Chris 651]

Did you say he is no longer living with you?  If he has not filed a change of address, you should sent his GC back to USCIS when it arrives. If he has filed a COA, his GC will be forwarded to him by the Post Office. Good luck moving forward. 

[Scandi 3,970]

Doesn't matter what happens to his physical greencard, he's still a permanent resident whether you like it or not. The greencard is only the proof of his status, not the status itself. So for you to try to do something with the card would be both foolish and a crime, and it wouldn't make any difference to his immigration process other than a little more hassle to get a new card. 

 

You haven't mentioned that you have any kind of proof of immigration fraud, only infidelity. So I take it you don't have anything to prove to USCIS that fraud was committed? If so, don't spend another second thinking about his immigration process as there's nothing you can do, and it no longer has anything to do with you (other than you and any potential joint sponsor still being on the hook for the i-864).

 

Divorce and move on, and hope that he becomes a citizen as soon as he can so you're off the hook for the affidavit of support.  

[Okboy 43]

11 hours ago, femme25 said:

Hi guys. I really need some help please. I got married overseas a few years back, but it's only 2 months ago that my husband moved to the US after obtaining his IV through the US consulate. Yesterday, only two months after, he left his phone behind, and while he was at work, I checked his phone and found that he's active not only on 1 dating website but a few others! There was also a profile of a female offering s*x in some dating site that I am not familiar with and there was a 'mutual like' between his and her profile. I am feeling really down because this was my 2nd marriage and it took just two months and I feel like a total failure and felt really hurt. I spent around $15K on him while he lived overseas as he became broke after a certain period and I was forced to also pay for our trips at the times we met overseas. Is this a ground for an annulemnt? All I have are his dating profile photos and the few photos of half naked women in his phone, plus that s*x profile where they both likd each other. I heard annulment is tough to get, so should I just file for a divorce instead of an annulment to save myself the energy and the headach?

 

P.S. Since he just moved to the US, his green card hasn't even arrived yet. I chckd his case status and it shows the day when we paid for his card which as April 1st, the day he entered the US. I asked him to leave so he's no longer living in my house, but he sure is beginning me to take him back. He now claims that he's only there because I am on facebook lol and how does he know if I'm not talking to men on FB. Mind you that my Fb profile is closed and you can only see my profile photo there, the rest are not for the public and I also ahd our mutual photos on Fb, so I don't se where the logic is in what he claims since I put up our family photos while his own FB doesn't have one single photo of us. 

What can I do now because I rally don't want him to get his g.c....

 

1) Should I go to court tomorrow and immediately try to get annulment and servie it to him?

2) an I contact USCIS and tell them not to send his g.c. to my address and explain why?

3) Should I not do anything right now, wait for his g.c. to arrive and not give it to him but rather print the datign site evidence, write a statement, and send the g.c. with the evidence back to whichever USCIS?

4) Will his 2 month living with me hurt his g.c. in the long run even if he manages to get his g.c. if it arrives soon?

 

What would be the best and most effective option for me? Again, after so many thousands of dollars lost, my 35-38 years wait time gone for thinking that I finally got married again, I really don't think he should be getting that card because I invested to much money and time into this relationship and helped him out with everything, and all I get is him on dating sites within two month...it could be even after he entered the US, but since I only discovered him a few days ago two month into our reunion as husband and wife, I am saying two month. Please help!!! 

This is so heartbreaking. How about you guys go for marriage counseling before taking the divorce route? Pray to the Lord to intervene in the situation. There’s nothing God can’t do. 

[YYZ&MIA 117]

3 hours ago, Okboy said:

This is so heartbreaking. How about you guys go for marriage counseling before taking the divorce route? Pray to the Lord to intervene in the situation. There’s nothing God can’t do. 

Sorry if what I am going to say will sound harsh but do you truly believe that he was faithful to you the whole time you were apart and was not talking to other women? If he was on dating and hook up sites while you were finally physically together, I am willing to bet that he was talking to and seeing other women while you were a part for such long periods of time. The fact that he doesnt post any photos of you on social media, is also a red flag and you sending him money too. Trying to spin the situation around and claim he is on HOOK UP sites because you are on FACEBOOK and suggesting that you might be talking to other men which made him go talk to other women and you are basically to blame are clear signs of a manipulator. He is gaslighting you. Please have more self worth and dont let the number of failed or successful marriages you have had define your self worth. I dont think marriage counseling in this case will work because I believe you have been scammed and he just wanted that green card and a sugar mama to support him while he was so called broke. He will drop you as soon as he no longer needs you. That is just my two cents and hopefully you will be more careful in the future. It boggles my mind that women still fall for these scammers. 
Playing hide and seek with his GC is not the best idea. Talk to a good divorce lawyer asap and have the strength and confidence to protect yourself and the rest of your money from him sweet talking you into forgiving him, which he probably already started doing.
Like I said, he has more than likely been talking to other women throughout your relationship and I am sure a private investigator could find that out real quick but I am not sure if this new information of ongoing infidelity throughout the entire marriage would help you prove fraud. 

[carmel34 3,529]

The only evidence of marriage fraud that USCIS is likely to do anything with is documentation such as emails, text messages, etc. in which he specifically talks about only marrying you for US immigration benefits, and that he would leave you shortly after his arrival in the US with a 10-year green card.  If you have no documentation like that, USCIS will most likely do nothing with a claim of online flirting.  If you have written evidence of his actual intent to commit marriage fraud, send it with an explanation to USCIS.  Divorce this loser and move on.  Good luck!

Edited June 19, 2021 by carmel34

[Crazy Cat 39,208]

2 minutes ago, carmel34 said:

The only evidence of marriage fraud that USCIS is likely to do anything with is documentation such as emails, text messages, etc. in which he specifically talks about only marrying you for US immigration benefits, and that he would leave you shortly after his arrival in the US with a 10-year green card.  If you have no documentation like that, USCIS will most likely do nothing with a claim of online flirting.  If you have written evidence, send it with an explanation to USCIS.  Divorce this loser and move on.  Good luck!

I agree.  Anyone who is smart enough to plan this kind of fraud is also smart enough to cover his tracks.  I think proving fraud will be difficult in the absence of specific admission of the crime.   

[Sunnshine 7]

17 hours ago, femme25 said:

Hi guys. I really need some help please. I got married overseas a few years back, but it's only 2 months ago that my husband moved to the US after obtaining his IV through the US consulate. Yesterday, only two months after, he left his phone behind, and while he was at work, I checked his phone and found that he's active not only on 1 dating website but a few others! There was also a profile of a female offering s*x in some dating site that I am not familiar with and there was a 'mutual like' between his and her profile. I am feeling really down because this was my 2nd marriage and it took just two months and I feel like a total failure and felt really hurt. I spent around $15K on him while he lived overseas as he became broke after a certain period and I was forced to also pay for our trips at the times we met overseas. Is this a ground for an annulemnt? All I have are his dating profile photos and the few photos of half naked women in his phone, plus that s*x profile where they both likd each other. I heard annulment is tough to get, so should I just file for a divorce instead of an annulment to save myself the energy and the headach?

 

P.S. Since he just moved to the US, his green card hasn't even arrived yet. I chckd his case status and it shows the day when we paid for his card which as April 1st, the day he entered the US. I asked him to leave so he's no longer living in my house, but he sure is beginning me to take him back. He now claims that he's only there because I am on facebook lol and how does he know if I'm not talking to men on FB. Mind you that my Fb profile is closed and you can only see my profile photo there, the rest are not for the public and I also ahd our mutual photos on Fb, so I don't se where the logic is in what he claims since I put up our family photos while his own FB doesn't have one single photo of us. 

What can I do now because I rally don't want him to get his g.c....

 

1) Should I go to court tomorrow and immediately try to get annulment and servie it to him?

2) an I contact USCIS and tell them not to send his g.c. to my address and explain why?

3) Should I not do anything right now, wait for his g.c. to arrive and not give it to him but rather print the datign site evidence, write a statement, and send the g.c. with the evidence back to whichever USCIS?

4) Will his 2 month living with me hurt his g.c. in the long run even if he manages to get his g.c. if it arrives soon?

 

What would be the best and most effective option for me? Again, after so many thousands of dollars lost, my 35-38 years wait time gone for thinking that I finally got married again, I really don't think he should be getting that card because I invested to much money and time into this relationship and helped him out with everything, and all I get is him on dating sites within two month...it could be even after he entered the US, but since I only discovered him a few days ago two month into our reunion as husband and wife, I am saying two month. Please help!!! 

Aww, I’m so sorry. I would contact USCIS or contact an attorney to see your options. I don’t really have the best advice, as I’m in a similar situation. This is my second marriage, both I petitioned for. 

[From_CAN_2_US 1,097]

@femme25

 

I am very sorry you are going through this, and I too don’t want your husband to get his green card, but most of what others have said here is correct - what you described is not evidence of fraud...

 

Financially, too, it is in your best interest for him to become a citizen.

 

That being said, I do believe this was a case of Marriage fraud, and my sense of justice, wants him to not get a green card and be deported. I am sure you feel the same but a thousand times more so...

 

The most one can do though is to report to USCIS about what you suspect is fraud. Perhaps would help get on his file at least putting more burden on him to prove he married in good faith when he applied for citizenship.... this may only at best draw out his citizenship application, which again is not in your favour...

 

It’s tough....

 

[Electrichead64 29]

Maybe you should give the guy a break.  Its not easy being separated from your wife.  I'm not saying thats an excuse, and personally I wouldn't .. but men DO.  Its just a fact of life.
The damage is done.  He can get a job and pay his fair share of the expenses, the real damage has possibly already been done and you have little more to lose than you potentially 
already have if you give it a little more time.  If I were absolutely convinced it was marriage fraud, I would crucify someone over it.  Legal action, report to USCIS with all the evidence,
try to get deported, etc. But this isn't necessarily that.  He just married a stalker and she caught him.  My wife was a stalker too, and I appreciated it.  Meant she cared.  We were 100%
open with each other.  Unhid friends etc, theres a way to do that.

[Alenx 12]

Nice, trying to basically cancel someone's entire life for retaliatory reasons. I'm kind of glad his GC is for 10 years and you won't succeed. My advice is you get a grip. Generally speaking, cheating on a partner doesn't mean the relationship is not bona fide. and that's all the Immigration services care about. Withholding his GC from him would be way too much in my opinion (and it's also not for you to decide on the outcome of his interactions with the USCIS). It would also be ineffectual, because his status is independent from a piece of plastic.

 

If the relationship is broken, is it possible it is not only his fault?

Edited June 20, 2021 by Alenx

[Chica79 15]

On 6/18/2021 at 2:29 PM, femme25 said:

Hi guys. I really need some help please. I got married overseas a few years back, but it's only 2 months ago that my husband moved to the US after obtaining his IV through the US consulate. Yesterday, only two months after, he left his phone behind, and while he was at work, I checked his phone and found that he's active not only on 1 dating website but a few others! There was also a profile of a female offering s*x in some dating site that I am not familiar with and there was a 'mutual like' between his and her profile. I am feeling really down because this was my 2nd marriage and it took just two months and I feel like a total failure and felt really hurt. I spent around $15K on him while he lived overseas as he became broke after a certain period and I was forced to also pay for our trips at the times we met overseas. Is this a ground for an annulemnt? All I have are his dating profile photos and the few photos of half naked women in his phone, plus that s*x profile where they both likd each other. I heard annulment is tough to get, so should I just file for a divorce instead of an annulment to save myself the energy and the headach?

 

P.S. Since he just moved to the US, his green card hasn't even arrived yet. I chckd his case status and it shows the day when we paid for his card which as April 1st, the day he entered the US. I asked him to leave so he's no longer living in my house, but he sure is beginning me to take him back. He now claims that he's only there because I am on facebook lol and how does he know if I'm not talking to men on FB. Mind you that my Fb profile is closed and you can only see my profile photo there, the rest are not for the public and I also ahd our mutual photos on Fb, so I don't se where the logic is in what he claims since I put up our family photos while his own FB doesn't have one single photo of us. 

What can I do now because I rally don't want him to get his g.c....

 

1) Should I go to court tomorrow and immediately try to get annulment and servie it to him?

2) an I contact USCIS and tell them not to send his g.c. to my address and explain why?

3) Should I not do anything right now, wait for his g.c. to arrive and not give it to him but rather print the datign site evidence, write a statement, and send the g.c. with the evidence back to whichever USCIS?

4) Will his 2 month living with me hurt his g.c. in the long run even if he manages to get his g.c. if it arrives soon?

 

What would be the best and most effective option for me? Again, after so many thousands of dollars lost, my 35-38 years wait time gone for thinking that I finally got married again, I really don't think he should be getting that card because I invested to much money and time into this relationship and helped him out with everything, and all I get is him on dating sites within two month...it could be even after he entered the US, but since I only discovered him a few days ago two month into our reunion as husband and wife, I am saying two month. Please help!!! 

Slow down. Is it something you can work out?

[S S 25]

Hello,

 

This is a sensitive topic, and one I’m glad to see on VJ.

 

I do NOT believe that the OP is trying to cancel his whole entire life for retaliatory reasons. She is trying to find out her rights and get advice from other people going through the immigration system. Also, he has only been in the US for 2 months, so his entire life is really in his home country.
 

Maybe his entire life PLAN is going to be canceled. If so, it is not because of her, it’s  because he is trying to use her for US immigration benefits. However, if he did not earn immigration legally, he is who possibly ruined (canceled) his own plans.
 

OP is a woman who has been cheated on and violated because someone possibly used her to break US federal immigration law, and it would be devastating, especially after all the time apart, to know that he was not waiting for her, he was waiting to enter the US. It’s not only devastating for that reason, but also because he was pretending to love her enough to get married while having a secret second life. Marriage is typically a lifetime decision, not an “until I enter the US” decision.
 

In my opinion, US immigration is a more difficult and lengthy process for legitimate people because of illegitimate people who think that they are entitled to come to the US any way possible, even through marriage fraud and scams.