E. Jean Carroll, who says Trump raped her seeks his DNA to test against sample from her dress

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6 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

Yes, absolutely possible. This is the sort of thing that can be developed through the discovery process and trial, if necessary. It's good to keep an open mind while also being mindful of the alleged incident in the greater context of historical allegations. 

I could see prior convictions might be relevant, but allegations? Especially unfounded ones?

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1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

fabricating this story

Depends what the dress is made of.

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

"stole"

Usually mink or fox or whatever, and not fabricated from fabric.

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

definitely fabricating

Then it was a dress and not a stole.  Glad that this finally came out in the wash.

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Let’s say Jean seems a bit out there based on interviews I’ve seen.

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Ever ride a subway (anywhere), or a bus in Russia? 

 

    I have. Are you suggesting Trump and Carroll shared a subway ride at some point? Perhaps you should think of becoming a defense attorney. You might be a natural.

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    I have. Are you suggesting Trump and Carroll shared a subway ride at some point? Perhaps you should think of becoming a defense attorney. You might be a natural.

Just pointing out the meaningless nature of any results.

 

Wonder if she has another book to sell?

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2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Just pointing out the meaningless nature of any results.

 

Wonder if she has another book to sell?

 

   I suppose if you don't understand the process by which DNA would end up on someones clothing and be at a detectable level 20 years later, then yes it would be meaningless. In court though, it would indicate they have met at some point. The rest is up to the litigants.

 

  Whether she can prove anything else is a different story. That is what court is for. I don't think she can win, but anyone defending Trump outright saying that it could not have possibly happened might as well just put their monkey suit on and finish their banana. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Trump is certainly capable of lying.

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I realise American Legal System is weird but to answer the question:

 

Where do I collect my fee?

 

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   Well done! 

 

  

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46 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    I have. Are you suggesting Trump and Carroll shared a subway ride at some point? Perhaps you should think of becoming a defense attorney. You might be a natural.

I am saying many folks share DNA in everyday life without ever knowing the recipients.  

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I could see prior convictions might be relevant, but allegations? Especially unfounded ones?

Patterns of similar behavior can be relevant in impeachment on cross-examination. Character evidence is generally inadmissible in civil cases, but there are a few exceptions. Cross-exam impeachment and defamation, when a plaintiff's credibility as to truth is at issue. You can't point to one specific occasion to prove "he did X on Y occasion, so he also did X on Z occasion." If you have a pattern, you can try to prove conformity with that pattern.

 

I am having horrible Evidence flashbacks now. Thank you for bringing me back to a dark corner of my life. I certainly have my opinion about the allegations, but I also know that ultimately it comes down to what can be proven in court. I keep an open mind for this purpose.

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There are patterns of similar behaviour by the complainants.

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4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

There are patterns of similar behaviour by the complainants.

From Carroll? I had not heard about this. If there is, it can certainly be brought up. It's all a little more circumscribed in civil proceedings than criminal.

 

Patterns of similar behavior of other complainants who are not witnesses or a party cannot be used as evidence in this action. Even then, the similar behavior of other complainants who could be called as witnesses can only be used as impeachment evidence on cross-examination as to credibility.

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32 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I am saying many folks share DNA in everyday life without ever knowing the recipients.  

 

  True, but they won't detect that amount of DNA on an outfit 20 years later. It's not from just brushing past someone on a bus.

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3 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

If I were telling a true personal story, and someone says that I borrowed it from a TV show, I would put him in the column of he thinks I made this up.

Key word to focus on:

 

IF

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6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  True, but they won't detect that amount of DNA on an outfit 20 years later. It's not from just brushing past someone on a bus.

Thanks -- I wasn't sure about this. There are absolutely innocent reasons I can think of for having a significant amount of DNA remaining on a garment after 25 years, like a bleeding cut on a hand brushing past. 

2 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Key word to focus on:

 

IF

Yep! That's the point of litigation.