The Seduction Game

[laylalex 7,247]

Horrible. And I am too familiar with this -- it has happened to me within the past month back in Berkeley, where a guy tried to pick me up, blocked my path, etc. I do not have a problem with men working on their confidence with women, and I think there are *some* useful lessons that can be learned about making yourself interesting, learning how to speak with women so they feel at ease, etc. But pressuring women to have sex, to ignore when women say no and just keep pushing and pushing and pushing.... no. Women are conditioned by society to be "nice" and especially to be "nice" to men. Sometimes we do things to defuse a situation we're uncomfortable with, like speak with a man when we just don't want to, or give in to sex because we think we've "led them on." This isn't "playing the female card" when I'm saying this is just gross.

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LMR stands for “last minute resistance” to sex. It is regarded by the pick-up artists as a women’s token attempt to reject sex - an obstacle to be overcome. 

“You have to be the one to lead,” Massey explained. “The whole vibe is you take responsibility for it. ‘Yeah, I know, I am just an animal I couldn’t resist’”

In one of his videos, Hitchens stated that you should “carry on escalating” if a girl says that you are “going too fast”. Hitchens then goes on to say: “If she says, we’ll definitely have sex next time, you can reply with: Why waste time? It’s arrogant to assume that there will be a next time.”

“There’s an idea with LMR that women put up a certain amount of supposedly token resistance prior to having sex,” explained Dr Rachel O’Neill. “And this is something, again, under seduction logic that women do as a way of trying to safeguard their reputation. And the thing that’s really worrying about this is that it creates a situation in which a woman’s ‘no’ can never be legitimately heard as a no.”

Massey introduced us to the next coach Richard Hood. Massey called him the “King of LMR”. Hood sounded more like a high-pressure salesman than someone genuinely interested in what a woman might want. 

“When you get to the apartment tell her to take her shoes off – as soon as you walk through the front door – you start taking your shoes off, it’s basically the first part of escalation,” he told us.

“Some girls can be annoying. If they are already in their shoes and their jacket they’ll be like ‘okay, okay, that’s enough for tonight… we will leave the rest for next time’...Obviously that’s frustrating” 

He told us that men can be too preoccupied with consent. 

“Sometimes guys are a bit too shy or a bit too scared to keep pushing forward [be]cause they [men] want like… they want so much consent. I mean that they want lots of like… a written permission slip from her like, you know, ‘it’s okay that we go all the way’. ‘Cause it’s a nuance, obviously, you have to… you have to feel out the right moment, and sometimes it is your job to push things forward and lead.”

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/tmZeuc7TX0/the-seduction-game

[yuna628 9,528]

There's something to be said for some old fashioned values huh? Where men and women approach every relationship with respect, and romantic relationships with an even deeper respect of full bodily autonomy.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Yeah I had to take care of someone not long ago at our shop who took "No" as a maybe it seems. Luckily the police seemed to put the fear of god into him because my wife is armed and trained by me to handle things if I am not around.