Trump’s erratic foreign policy reduced to ‘a shambles’

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

Uhhh Colin mmmm  LOL no he didnt . Bush, WMD, iraq, 

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-erratic-foreign-policy-reduced-shambles

[Steeleballz 7,550]

43 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Uhhh Colin mmmm  LOL no he didnt . Bush, WMD, iraq, 

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-erratic-foreign-policy-reduced-shambles

 

   Foreign policy was one thing I was feeling OK with when Trump was running. I thought he was going to be Ron Paul  light. 

 

   I can't really see what this article says though. Unfortunately MSNBC wants me to disable my ad block to read their worthless rubbish. Yeah, like that's going to happen. As far as foreign policy in general, I don't think anyone from previous administrations should be the one casting the first stone. It hasn't been our strong point as far as I can remember.

 

   

[luckytxn 2,263]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Uhhh Colin mmmm  LOL no he didnt . Bush, WMD, iraq, 

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-erratic-foreign-policy-reduced-shambles

I am more than OK with this and want a total withdrawal of troops worldwide brought back home now. We need to stop playing the worlds policeman and let these regions forge their own destinies with their own blood sweat and tears. 

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Foreign policy was one thing I was feeling OK with when Trump was running. I thought he was going to be Ron Paul  light. 

 

   I can't really see what this article says though. Unfortunately MSNBC wants me to disable my ad block to read their worthless rubbish. Yeah, like that's going to happen. As far as foreign policy in general, I don't think anyone from previous administrations should be the one casting the first stone. It hasn't been our strong point as far as I can remember.

 

   

There was an option to continue on the bottom left to read the article. I didn't think Trump would follow Ron Pauls logic of foreign policy of non intervention. I saw Trump as a Democrat playing a role as a Republican but been happy with him so far except his spending but either party wouldn't be spendthrifts anyway. His destruction of both major parties makes me love him though.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

As someone who has been to Iraq and have had friends in that went to Syria to work I think this is a BAD IDEA. The Kurds absolutely love us. So by us leaving them to Turkey who is there worst enemy it is the worst thing we can do. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

As someone who has been to Iraq and have had friends in that went to Syria to work I think this is a BAD IDEA. The Kurds absolutely love us. So by us leaving them to Turkey who is there worst enemy it is the worst thing we can do. 

 

We have a long and rich history of absolutely doing this over and over and over. Looks like they would learn. without googling I am pretty sure Bush did it to them after the 1st gulf war, and Saddam  got pay back.  I think other instances also, but to lazy to look it up. I could be off a little bit 

 

In fact the USA has a  long rich history of screwing over indigenous people that helped us.  The Montagnard people got a royal pump and dump in Vietnam also.

 

Couple of great reads on Nam

 

A bright and shinning Lie

About face by David Hackworth... Hackworth was a real genuine war stud 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

We have a long and rich history of absolutely doing this over and over and over. Looks like they would learn. without googling I am pretty sure Bush did it to them after the 1st gulf war, and Saddam  got pay back.  I think other instances also, but to lazy to look it up. I could be off a little bit 

In fact the USA has a  long rich history of screwing over indigenous people that helped us.  The Montagnard people got a royal pump and dump in Vietnam also.

Couple of great reads on Nam

A bright and shinning Lie

About face by David Hackworth... Hackworth was a real genuine war stud 

Exactly this point as well. We did do this to the Kurds in Iraq after the first Gulf War, and now we are doing it to the Kurds in Syria. 

[TBoneTX 43,014]

On 10/7/2019 at 8:40 PM, luckytxn said:

We need to stop playing the worlds policeman

And the question that none of the war-hawks can answer is:  If we don't withdraw the troops now, then when?

[luckytxn 2,263]

6 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

And the question that none of the war-hawks can answer is:  If we don't withdraw the troops now, then when?

They want never ending war.

[OriZ 3,157]

On 10/7/2019 at 9:40 PM, luckytxn said:

I am more than OK with this and want a total withdrawal of troops worldwide brought back home now. We need to stop playing the worlds policeman and let these regions forge their own destinies with their own blood sweat and tears. 

There was an option to continue on the bottom left to read the article. I didn't think Trump would follow Ron Pauls logic of foreign policy of non intervention. I saw Trump as a Democrat playing a role as a Republican but been happy with him so far except his spending but either party wouldn't be spendthrifts anyway. His destruction of both major parties makes me love him though.

It's not about playing the world's policemen, it's about not stabbing people in the back who helped you if you ever wanna be helped again.

[OriZ 3,157]

On 10/8/2019 at 7:31 AM, Cyberfx1024 said:

As someone who has been to Iraq and have had friends in that went to Syria to work I think this is a BAD IDEA. The Kurds absolutely love us. So by us leaving them to Turkey who is there worst enemy it is the worst thing we can do. 

Agreed, absolutely a terrible idea. But even worse, for all the wrong reasons - folding for Erdogan isn't going to make america great, ever.

Edited October 9, 2019 by OriZ

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

1 hour ago, luckytxn said:

They want never ending war.

Nope, you are wrong. The Kurds in both Iraq and Syria helped us out exponentially. While at the same time we turned our back on them twice now when they needed us most. Why in the hell would anyone side with us is beyond me. 

7 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

And the question that none of the war-hawks can answer is:  If we don't withdraw the troops now, then when?

Easy, we leave a permanent base in Rojava like what they have in Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan. 

[Dashinka 23,198]

I am curious about this, we had something like 50-100 military personnel in that zone from what I read.  Were they really holding back the Turks?  I also wonder how Assad plans to respond?

[yuna628 9,527]

18 minutes ago, OriZ said:

It's not about playing the world's policemen, it's about not stabbing people in the back who helped you if you ever wanna be helped again.

And it's also about intentionally standing down and giving the OK to a dictator and his buddies while they literally murder thousands of brave men, women, and children... all because of their love of freedom, their ethnicity, and their Christian faith.

5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I am curious about this, we had something like 50-100 military personnel in that zone from what I read.  Were they really holding back the Turks?  I also wonder how Assad plans to respond?

The rest of the US military have been ordered to stand down. They have been ordered to do nothing to defend their allies, while Erdogan slaughters them. The 50 were for show (see we're leaving, you can watch it on tv! yay!). It's the rest remaining that have been ordered to do something with far reaching consequences...

Edited October 9, 2019 by yuna628

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I am curious about this, we had something like 50-100 military personnel in that zone from what I read.  Were they really holding back the Turks?  I also wonder how Assad plans to respond?

We had more than that probably up to a 1000. It is more symbolic than anything else because it opens up attacks from the Turks on the PKK who are their sworn enemies. 

[Dashinka 23,198]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

And it's also about intentionally standing down and giving the OK to a dictator and his buddies while they literally murder thousands of brave men, women, and children... all because of their love of freedom, their ethnicity, and their Christian faith.

The rest of the US military have been ordered to stand down. They have been ordered to do nothing to defend their allies, while Erdogan slaughters them. The 50 were for show (see we're leaving, you can watch it on tv! yay!). It's the rest remaining that have been ordered to do something with far reaching consequences...

So we have a larger presence in "Kurdistan"  how many, and how are the Turks not slaughtering them as well?

 

1 minute ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

We had more than that probably up to a 1000. It is more symbolic than anything else because it opens up attacks from the Turks on the PKK who are their sworn enemies. 

So a tribal war?  Those are the best.