Poll: Majority of voters say U.S. government should do more to address gender pay gap

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That would be unusual but this has been an unusual year. Peak leaf out there now.

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12 hours ago, laylalex said:

our power was out earlier but we are back up.

From now on, failure of the electricity to go out shall be known as a power innage.

[luckytxn 2,263]

7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I would agree to the point of saying the Feds don't need to be any more involved than they already are. They don't need to be involved in setting wages. Wage discrimination is already illegal both in policy and practice. There is a legal avenue to remedy the issue.  

True but why even a legal remedy? Any adults should be allowed to make their own agreements on what they want to offer and the other to agree or not at whatever wage. Why should one have to make the same? 

 

As an example I started at a new company and a babe that had worked there for many years found out I was making more than her and went nutso and started to create problems all around. Eventually she was so disruptive that was forced out. I was one of the best in the business and would be bringing a lot of clients with me along with more personnel. I was reasonably happy where I was working already and making more than others because I went to bosses and told them to pay me more or I would leave so they did. I knew I was that good and confident of my abilities. This other company wanted me and tried for years to get me to jump and I did because of the raise in pay of course but an old family friend was there and he and I had an understanding I would take over his job eventually.

 

The babe was sure she was right and hated a newbie making more and couldn't understand that some have abilities that outstrip theirs and to get that talent takes money and other things. Why would I make the jump unless I was well reimbursed? I would have taken over at the company I was at and made the money anyway. Want more money than do what it takes to do so. The government is not needed here except if one is mediocre and demands equality with superior talent anyway.

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38 minutes ago, luckytxn said:

True but why even a legal remedy? Any adults should be allowed to make their own agreements on what they want to offer and the other to agree or not at whatever wage. Why should one have to make the same? 

 

As an example I started at a new company and a babe that had worked there for many years found out I was making more than her and went nutso and started to create problems all around. Eventually she was so disruptive that was forced out. I was one of the best in the business and would be bringing a lot of clients with me along with more personnel. I was reasonably happy where I was working already and making more than others because I went to bosses and told them to pay me more or I would leave so they did. I knew I was that good and confident of my abilities. This other company wanted me and tried for years to get me to jump and I did because of the raise in pay of course but an old family friend was there and he and I had an understanding I would take over his job eventually.

 

The babe was sure she was right and hated a newbie making more and couldn't understand that some have abilities that outstrip theirs and to get that talent takes money and other things. Why would I make the jump unless I was well reimbursed? I would have taken over at the company I was at and made the money anyway. Want more money than do what it takes to do so. The government is not needed here except if one is mediocre and demands equality with superior talent anyway.

 

    People can be paid different wages for doing the same job. That is not the issue. I have started new jobs where I asked for more than people who already work there. Sometimes they won't budge, but if they really want you they might do that. There is nothing in the law that stops them from giving me more than others to do the same job. 

 

 What there can not be a pattern of wage discrimination based on sex. If every man hired at a company is offered more than a woman to do the same job, that would be wage discrimination, and it is illegal.

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10 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    People can be paid different wages for doing the same job. That is not the issue. I have started new jobs where I asked for more than people who already work there. Sometimes they won't budge, but if they really want you they might do that. There is nothing in the law that stops them from giving me more than others to do the same job. 

 

 What there can not be a pattern of wage discrimination based on sex. If every man hired at a company is offered more than a woman to do the same job, that would be wage discrimination, and it is illegal.

Don't agree. One can sue in a court and try to win a case but we need no laws to make us pay the same. If a woman brings more to the table than others she should negotiate for more and if they want her than pay her. They are adults and can make any agreement they want. If a company is paying men more because they are men than that is not a well run company and eventually they will not survive. The government is not our babysitter nor should they be.

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10 hours ago, luckytxn said:

Don't agree. One can sue in a court and try to win a case but we need no laws to make us pay the same. If a woman brings more to the table than others she should negotiate for more and if they want her than pay her. They are adults and can make any agreement they want. If a company is paying men more because they are men than that is not a well run company and eventually they will not survive. The government is not our babysitter nor should they be.

 

    I get what you are saying, Lucky, and I know how you feel about government involvement. I personally think just as too much regulation is not a good thing, there is also such a thing as too little. I’m OK with where we currently are with this legally. I would also make a choice not to support a company that chooses to utilize wage discrimination. I wish that was enough to end the practice. If it was, regulation would be moot anyway. I don’t think it is though.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Steeleballz

[luckytxn 2,263]

8 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    I get what you are saying, Lucky, and I know how you feel about government involvement. I personally think just as too much regulation is not a good thing, there is also such a thing as too little. I’m OK with where we currently are with this legally. I would also make a choice not to support a company that chooses to utilize wage discrimination. I wish that was enough to end the practice. If it was, regulation would be moot anyway. I don’t think it is though.

I will respectfully disagree but understand the thinking that laws are needed to force people to do the right thing. I do think that if laws are made on the issue then let states do it then a one size fits all from the Feds. Or even better let it be a local thing.

Edited September 30, 2019 by luckytxn