Trump administration finalizing ban on flavored e-cigarettes

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

  The Trump administration is finalizing a ban on flavored e-cigarettes after the outbreak of a vaping-related illness that's sickened 450 people and resulted in at least six deaths.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/trump-weighs-ban-on-flavored-e-cigarettes-1489507

 

 

    The president gets full kudo's from me (FWIW) for this move. I don't like too much regulation of anything, but this is something that's dangerous, becoming an epidemic, and worst of all it's being marketed towards teenagers. Good move. 

[yuna628 9,528]

The problem with this measure, is that the good chunk of these illnesses did not come from straight-flavored vapes, but from THC vapes. The contamination seems to be in the THC. That is not to say that a small percentage could be linked to contamination also in regular vapes. There's not enough medical data to know what's causing it, and if deaths will continue to rise over time as more people become exposed. I also wonder if there will be a second-hand exposure component

[laylalex 7,247]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The Trump administration is finalizing a ban on flavored e-cigarettes after the outbreak of a vaping-related illness that's sickened 450 people and resulted in at least six deaths.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/trump-weighs-ban-on-flavored-e-cigarettes-1489507

 

 

    The president gets full kudo's from me (FWIW) for this move. I don't like too much regulation of anything, but this is something that's dangerous, becoming an epidemic, and worst of all it's being marketed towards teenagers. Good move. 

I completely agree. I briefly smoked (on and off from 20-26) and I support any move that cuts down on smoking. My fiance is a smoker and has been trying unsuccessfully to quit for years -- he took up vaping thinking it would help wean him off of smoking for good. Nope -- he just vapes now. I put my foot down the other week and told him he needs to man up and start on Chantix or Wellbutrin or something. I am SO done with it and I have no intention of becoming a widow over something he has complete control over.

[Falcon Cara 377]

People look like a douche when the suck on them

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

The problem with this measure, is that the good chunk of these illnesses did not come from straight-flavored vapes, but from THC vapes. The contamination seems to be in the THC. That is not to say that a small percentage could be linked to contamination also in regular vapes. There's not enough medical data to know what's causing it, and if deaths will continue to rise over time as more people become exposed. I also wonder if there will be a second-hand exposure component

 

  The whole idea of vaping is stupid. I see it promoted as a "healthier" alternative to smoking. However smoking itself serves no purpose. We don't really need a healthier version.  People still get addicted to nicotine and then they can't quit because they are addicted. People say cigarettes calm them down, but the only thing they are calming themselves down from is the side effects of nicotine withdrawal. Taking steps to get rid of cigarettes it in the first place was the right move. I hate to see it making a comeback in any form.

 

  That said,  if adults choose to risk killing themselves with nicotine or smoking and if they fully understand the risks, and don't expose others, then so be it. I have no issue with that. Getting youngsters hooked on nicotine is a whole other issue, because we know how hard it is to quit once you get started. I'm glad to see the ban, even if it wasn't exactly for the right reason. 

 

  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

I completely agree. I briefly smoked (on and off from 20-26) and I support any move that cuts down on smoking. My fiance is a smoker and has been trying unsuccessfully to quit for years -- he took up vaping thinking it would help wean him off of smoking for good. Nope -- he just vapes now. I put my foot down the other week and told him he needs to man up and start on Chantix or Wellbutrin or something. I am SO done with it and I have no intention of becoming a widow over something he has complete control over.

 

   As long as they contain nicotine, they really can't wean someone off smoking. They just replace regular cigarettes. I know they were promoted that way originally, but I don't actually think you can get over an addiction by continuing to take the substance you are addicted to. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Wait, is everyone supporting government control on this issue??

[spookyturtle 9,465]

He should ban opioids. They kill more people than vaping does.

[yuna628 9,528]

56 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Wait, is everyone supporting government control on this issue??

The libertarian in me says no - you cannot control bad behavior. But the person in me that has so many strong feelings about nicotine addiction and how it destroys lives, makes healthcare more expensive for everyone, changes and damages the genetics of future generations, can cause disease and death for non-smokers and animals exposed, and serves no functional purpose like many other addictive substances is conflicted on the issue.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

He should ban opioids. They kill more people than vaping does.

And what would you suggest when you have 3 disc replaced, spinal column enlarged and many bone spurs removed from your neck. As well as leg problems.

I still have days i could not do my job without a 10mg Loritab.

[Dashinka 23,238]

43 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The libertarian in me says no - you cannot control bad behavior. But the person in me that has so many strong feelings about nicotine addiction and how it destroys lives, makes healthcare more expensive for everyone, changes and damages the genetics of future generations, can cause disease and death for non-smokers and animals exposed, and serves no functional purpose like many other addictive substances is conflicted on the issue.

There are a lot of things out there that are addictive and can lead to personal or family ruin.  Should the government ban all of those things?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

And what would you suggest when you have 3 disc replaced, spinal column enlarged and many bone spurs removed from your neck. As well as leg problems.

I still have days i could not do my job without a 10mg Loritab.

Tylenol? 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

3 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Tylenol? 

That would be like peeing on a bonfire.

 

In fact Loritab, Narco contains 325 mg tylenol. 

 

Seriously the majority killed are killed by illegal opioids. Many who have chronic pain are having trouble getting thier painkillers due to new prescription regulations.  Some draconian. 

Some have turned to illegal substances. some even suicide. 

 

Today was my 3rd day in a row of leg surgery,  got one more to go. Thank god my doctor gives me pain killers, cause all they can give is tylenol. 

 

[spookyturtle 9,465]

 

14 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

That would be like peeing on a bonfire.

 

In fact Loritab, Narco contains 325 mg tylenol. 

 

Seriously the majority killed are killed by illegal opioids. Many who have chronic pain are having trouble getting thier painkillers due to new prescription regulations.  Some draconian. 

Some have turned to illegal substances. some even suicide. 

 

Today was my 3rd day in a row of leg surgery,  got one more to go. Thank god my doctor gives me pain killers, cause all they can give is tylenol. 

 

I agree with you, it is mostly the illegal stuff. And I wish you a speedy recovery from your surgery. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

He should ban opioids. They kill more people than vaping does.

 

   Opioids actually have a valid use. Nicotine doesn't. That's the difference I see. Not to trivialize the opioid crisis, but I think we have already established that it's probably not logical to ban something just because someone could kill themselves with it.