Skype marriage (pakistan) spouse visa (merged)

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11 hours ago, missileman said:

🤣  or photos of sheets, etc......

lmfao!!!

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9 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Know how bad this mess is?  

 

The perfect legal solution

 

1.  Send 3 divorce texts.  Register that divorce in Pakistan.

2.  Girl marries someone else for short time, consummates that marriage

3.  Husband divorces girl.  Resets her to “free to marry” under local law.  She can’t divorce him either LOL.  She might be stuck at that point?  

4.  “Proxy husband” remarries her in person

5.  “Proxy” files petition, which requires both his previous divorce from her and new husband’s divorce from her plus his new marriage certificate

 

At that point, it is a “normal” case.

 

A greencard holder who told his “wife” he can’t travel to marry her but could travel to consummate the marriage is a dirtbag to begin with because he lied to her.  He’d be getting EXACTLY what he earned.

 

I’m out of this one.  I get in trouble editorializing about laws / beliefs / practice in that region. 

 

Lord have mercy!!!

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21 minutes ago, LilyJ said:

The biggest issue right now, is whether or not their marriage is considered legally valid in the US for immigration purposes. Proxy marriages are not legal in Massachusetts. They must sort that out before they can worry about anything else first, because until their marriage is legal, they cannot do anything. Doesn't matter that it has been registered in Pakistan if it is not legal in the US. Lots of us have met our spouses online, that's not the problem. The fact that they were not both physically present at the wedding and that this is not a recognized marriage where the petitioner lives is the problem.

that is why i said, he needs to register his marriage as per American Govt . In Pakistan, now they have pre-register all Marriage paper, so either you are both Pakistani's marrying still your marriage will be registered and can be used in any future Immigration process .

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11 minutes ago, gajbaldauri said:

lmfao!!!

 

It really happens.  The sheets get presented to family elders to paw over for “evidence of morality”.  I’m sure it’s a real treat for the bride.

 

4 minutes ago, umerdec08 said:

that is why i said, he needs to register his marriage as per American Govt . In Pakistan, now they have pre-register all Marriage paper, so either you are both Pakistani's marrying still your marriage will be registered and can be used in any future Immigration process .

He did not get married in Pakistan.  He got married in Massachusetts.  

 

She got married in Pakistan.

 

There is question about whether his marriage in Boston is legal.  If it is not legal, then he cannot sponsor her as his wife.

 

Her marriage is legal in Pakistan.  So she is not eligible to be issued a fiance visa in Pakistan.  See the problem?  The silly man could have avoided all of this by marrying her in person anywhere on the planet where they could have and record a legal marriage ceremony.  

1 hour ago, umerdec08 said:

Do they have Children together ? I think having Children will give their relationship some legitimacy .

No children

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1 minute ago, Nitas_man said:

 

It really happens.  The sheets get presented to family elders to paw over for “evidence of morality”.  I’m sure it’s a real treat for the bride.

 

He did not get married in Pakistan.  He got married in Massachusetts.  

 

She got married in Pakistan.

 

There is question about whether his marriage in Boston is legal.  If it is not legal, then he cannot sponsor her as his wife.

 

Her marriage is legal in Pakistan.  So she is not eligible to be issued a fiance visa in Pakistan.  See the problem?  The silly man could have avoided all of this by marrying her in person anywhere on the planet where they could have and record a legal marriage ceremony.  

of course if he did visit Pakistan and marry her it would save him/her a lot of trouble, but as we don't know what are the reasons/excuses so I will restrain myself from commenting , All i can say that they both needs to register the marriage as per American Rules, at this and later Points it irrelevant if the marriage is legit in Pakistan . 

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1 hour ago, LilyJ said:

Proxy marriages are not legal in Massachusetts...

As mentioned upthread there isn't a Massachusetts statute that covers proxy marriage: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartII/TitleIII/Chapter207 Also proxy marriage officiated outside Massachusetts isn't explicitly prohibited by Massachusetts law; even if one party resides or is present in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts when the marriage is officiated.

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25 minutes ago, HRQX said:

As mentioned upthread there isn't a Massachusetts statute that covers proxy marriage: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartII/TitleIII/Chapter207 Also proxy marriage officiated outside Massachusetts isn't explicitly prohibited by Massachusetts law; even if one party resides or is present in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts when the marriage is officiated.

It may not be listed as explicitly prohibited, but it doesn't say it's allowed either. Only 5 states explicitly allow proxy marriages. You also can't obtain a marriage license in MA for a proxy marriage as both people must be present to apply, so I would assume the same for a marriage certificate. Everything I have found on proxy marriages in MA states, that both parties must be present for the wedding as well. MA also does not recognize marriages that could not have legally taken place in MA

Edited August 4, 2019 by LilyJ

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The situation of a proxy marriage in a state that does not recognize them is not unique. I just cannot find a strong argument that the circumstances here would have any different result than others have had in the past.

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1 hour ago, umerdec08 said:

of course if he did visit Pakistan and marry her it would save him/her a lot of trouble, but as we don't know what are the reasons/excuses so I will restrain myself from commenting , All i can say that they both needs to register the marriage as per American Rules, at this and later Points it irrelevant if the marriage is legit in Pakistan . 

To be recognized in America we are all required to follow the laws in the state we get married in.  

If the person gets married in a state and does not follow the law of that state then that marriage cannot be registered or recognized.

This person got married in his home state.  He cannot use a Pakistani marriage certificate.  He must go to his county office, obtain a license for the type of marriage he wished to have (proxy), then he can register that marriage and after he sees and spends time with her that marriage will be recognized as legal and valid.

Only a few states allow that.  If he does not do that, then his marriage will not be recognized no matter how many pakistani government stamps he manages to get placed on a piece of paper far away from the state he was in when they got married.

Do you understand?  There is a difference between what he did and what a couple would normally do.  He has no marriage to register.  They must start over.

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If the couple ever got married legally and lawfully, in person, anywhere, then anything before that is meaningless.  They go forward with the marriage date and marriage certificate that evidences their legal and lawful marriage, PERIOD.  Yes, proxy marriages CAN BE recognized but if they have an in person legal marriage, there is no reason to try to get the proxy marriage recognized, not even a reason to mention it.

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1 hour ago, LilyJ said:

It may not be listed as explicitly prohibited, but it doesn't say it's allowed either.

IMO, MGL c.207 wouldn't be interpreted that way (I.e. obviously a proxy marriage can't be officiated within the Commonwealth, but what disallows the Commonwealth from recognizing a proxy marriage officiated outside its jurisdiction?)

1 hour ago, geowrian said:

The situation of a proxy marriage in a state that does not recognize them is not unique.

True, but doesn't seem to be the case in Massachusetts per MGL c.207.

Edited August 4, 2019 by HRQX

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13 hours ago, umerdec08 said:

Do they have Children together ? I think having Children will give their relationship some legitimacy .

It is not a question of legitimacy, but of legality. 

 

If a marriage wouldn't be considered legal as per US laws, it doesn't matter what is legal in the beneficiary's home country. For example, Polygamous marriages are legal in some places, but we all know that the USA will NOT recognize the second/third/fourth/whatever-th wife of a man to be his legal wife and allow her to obtain immigration benefit. 
 

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12 hours ago, umerdec08 said:

that is why i said, he needs to register his marriage as per American Govt . In Pakistan, now they have pre-register all Marriage paper, so either you are both Pakistani's marrying still your marriage will be registered and can be used in any future Immigration process .

You mean... he needs to get legally married in a way that is recognised and accepted as legal by the US government and more specifically by USCIS? 

 

Marriage laws in Pakistan have no bearing in this discussion unless the marriage happened in Pakistan. It didn't - it happened, essentially, "online" which is what is causing this mess.   "Registering" it will not solve this issue - OP's friend going to Pakistan (or whatever 3rd country, since apparently OP & friend are convinced that OP isn't "allowed" to go there during his Green Card years) and getting properly legally married while physically in the same place as his wife - WILL solve the issue.

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On 8/3/2019 at 10:17 AM, Saa Isha said:

On gren card stage u cannot travel to homeland country (pakistan )

Huh?