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3 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Female "practicing " Muslim 

I do not understand the practice bit, someone who actively participates? And how do you tell?

 

The issue I see is that you need to free to marry and as a Muslim Female can not marry a non Muslim male then how are you free to marry?

 

Now if they are not a Muslim then the issue would not arise.

 


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I do not understand the practice bit, someone who actively participates? And how do you tell?

 

The issue I see is that you need to free to marry and as a Muslim Female can not marry a non Muslim male then how are you free to marry?

 

Now if they are not a Muslim then the issue would not arise.

 

The K1 is a US visa.

You can have a same sex marriage in the USA, hence same sex couples can get a k1 visa, even if same sex marriage is not legal in the beneficiary's country.

Similarly, it doesn't matter about Bahraini law - both parties need to be free to marry in the USA (ie not already married, not brother/sister, etc, of legal age). The US won't refuse a k1 just because of medieval laws elsewhere. Additionally to enforce those laws against Muslims would breach the first amendment rights with respect to religion. In the USA Muslims enjoy the same rights as the rest of us.

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I am not talking about legal and not legal in any given country, to use your example a same sex person who was a member of a belief that did not allow same sex marriages would have similar issues. The individual has to state they are free to marry and intend to marry. 

 

Just wondering how you can profess two contradictory ideas.

 

 


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

I am not talking about legal and not legal in any given country, to use your example a same sex person who was a member of a belief that did not allow same sex marriages would have similar issues. The individual has to state they are free to marry and intend to marry. 

 

Just wondering how you can profess two contradictory ideas.

 

 

You have to be free to marry in the USA. Whether you are free to marry elsewhere or under a particular religion isn't relevant, since the marriage will be in the USA, with US law applying.

Its not a problem if US law contradicts with those of the beneficiaries country or culture, since this is a US visa, to get married in the USA, and therefore the US only cares about US law.
 


--- k1 visa ---
Texas Service Center (Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here)
I-129F sent: 12 Aug 2014
I-129F NOA1: 15 Aug 2014
I-129F NOA2: 2 Mar 2015 (199 days from NOA1) **No RFEs!**
NVC Received: 19 Mar 2015
Case#, IIN, BIN assigned: 19 Mar 2015
NVC Left: 20 Mar 2015
Consultate Received: 23 Mar 2015
Package 3 Received: 26 Mar 2015
Medical: 10 Apr 2015
Packet 3 Sent: 10 Apr 2015
Packet 4 Received: 23 Apr 2015
Interview Date: 8 May 2015 (Approved!!!)
Visa Issued: 14 May 2015
Visa in Hand: 19 May 2015
Entry to USA: 5 Jun 2015
Married: 21 Jun 2015

---Adjustment of Status---
Sent I-485, I-131 and I-765: 7 Jul 2015
NOA1 for I-485, I-131 and I-765: 14 Jul 2015
Email notification that I-765 was approved: 12 Sep 2015
Email notification that I-131 was approved: 15 Sep 2015
Email notification that EAD/AP combo card was mailed: 15 Sep 2015
EAD and AP combo card received: 18 Sep 2015
Green Card Received: 3 Dec 2015 [ :)] Previous letter stated interview requirement was likely to be waived

 

---Removal of Conditions---
Sent I-751: 13 Oct 2017
NOA1 for I-751: 23 Oct 2017

Biometrics: 20 Nov 2017
Approved: 20 Dec 2018

Green Card Received: 2 Jan 2019

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For a K-1, US laws determine if one is free to marry.

Somebody who is a practicing Catholic can also be homosexual (not everybody agrees with every facet of an organized religion) and live in a country that prohibits same sex marriages. They can qualify for a K-1 visa fine. Filipinos have done this fine.

 

That said, additional relationship scrutiny may apply as it is outside the local customs. We have seen similar mixed religion cases with a muslim female and a non-muslim male (and no conversion of faith involved) and it has been a significant hurdle. That combined with a difficult embassy/consulate (idk how Bahrain is) is not a good mix.

 

 


Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice

10/25/18: Formal approval

10/31/18: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Limey said:

You have to be free to marry in the USA. Whether you are free to marry elsewhere or under a particular religion isn't relevant, since the marriage will be in the USA, with US law applying.

Its not a problem if US law contradicts with those of the beneficiaries country or culture, since this is a US visa, to get married in the USA, and therefore the US only cares about US law.
 

You missed my point even though you quoted me. 


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Just now, Boiler said:

You missed my point even though you quoted me. 

I'm not sure I did.

 

Beneficiary has to state they are free to marry, and intend to marry. Beneficiary can truthfully state this, assuming she is not currently married, of sufficient age, and not closely related to the petitioner. This is the same whether she's an atheist from the UK or a Muslim from Bahrain. Her religion or home country is completely irrelevant.


--- k1 visa ---
Texas Service Center (Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here)
I-129F sent: 12 Aug 2014
I-129F NOA1: 15 Aug 2014
I-129F NOA2: 2 Mar 2015 (199 days from NOA1) **No RFEs!**
NVC Received: 19 Mar 2015
Case#, IIN, BIN assigned: 19 Mar 2015
NVC Left: 20 Mar 2015
Consultate Received: 23 Mar 2015
Package 3 Received: 26 Mar 2015
Medical: 10 Apr 2015
Packet 3 Sent: 10 Apr 2015
Packet 4 Received: 23 Apr 2015
Interview Date: 8 May 2015 (Approved!!!)
Visa Issued: 14 May 2015
Visa in Hand: 19 May 2015
Entry to USA: 5 Jun 2015
Married: 21 Jun 2015

---Adjustment of Status---
Sent I-485, I-131 and I-765: 7 Jul 2015
NOA1 for I-485, I-131 and I-765: 14 Jul 2015
Email notification that I-765 was approved: 12 Sep 2015
Email notification that I-131 was approved: 15 Sep 2015
Email notification that EAD/AP combo card was mailed: 15 Sep 2015
EAD and AP combo card received: 18 Sep 2015
Green Card Received: 3 Dec 2015 [ :)] Previous letter stated interview requirement was likely to be waived

 

---Removal of Conditions---
Sent I-751: 13 Oct 2017
NOA1 for I-751: 23 Oct 2017

Biometrics: 20 Nov 2017
Approved: 20 Dec 2018

Green Card Received: 2 Jan 2019

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3 minutes ago, Limey said:

I'm not sure I did.

 

Beneficiary has to state they are free to marry, and intend to marry. Beneficiary can truthfully state this, assuming she is not currently married, of sufficient age, and not closely related to the petitioner. This is the same whether she's an atheist from the UK or a Muslim from Bahrain. Her religion or home country is completely irrelevant.

Of course it is, if she says two things that are contradictory then the Consulate will wonder what is going on and which is true.


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Felt compelled to comment on this because I went through a similar issue. I was the immigrant non-muslim male coming from Canada, so my embassy/consulate was different than what Bahrain might be like. My wife was originally from Bangladesh but moved to America when she was very young.

 

It was technically illegal under muslim law or whatever for us to marry because I was not muslim, and when her family found out about us they were devastated and were basically ready to throw her out. She was never religious but her family thought she was. In order to make the process easier for them, I kind of "fake converted" and we got married in a mosque. It's been almost a decade and her dad never did come around but her mom did pretty quickly after she thought I converted, and while neither me or my wife practice Islam at all, her mom learned to live with it and we have a good relationship with her and her side of the family. Because of that we were able to show lots of pictures with them to immigration.

 

You might want to consider the whole conversion thing if it'll make it easier for everyone, doesn't matter what you do when she comes over to the US, at that point it doesn't really matter and you don't have to be religious at all. My wife and I are atheists. 

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I would not suggest trying to deceive the CO about one's religion. That is a recipe for major disaster.

It may or may not work for the family side of things, but is not wise for immigration purposes.


Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice

10/25/18: Formal approval

10/31/18: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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I apologize for my choice of words, "fake converting" was a poor choice. You might want to consider exploring the religion and learning more about it and deciding for yourself. I didn't feel like I was deceiving anyone about my religion because I wasn't really sure whether I was going to continue practicing Islam or not at the time. I learned a lot about the religion, culture and the prayers. In the end I did not and that was my choice, it doesn't change the fact that my marriage is real, and the continued relationship my wife now has with her mom is real that otherwise may not be there. 

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We interview under US laws but the culture in the country plays a big part in the interview

and the following will tell you why she doesn't want her parents to know

 

Under Islamic law, regardless of the school of thought, Muslim women may not marry non-Muslim men

 

you can read further on this site:

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/marriage/interfaith-prohibition.php

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I do not understand the practice bit, someone who actively participates? And how do you tell?

 

The issue I see is that you need to free to marry and as a Muslim Female can not marry a non Muslim male then how are you free to marry?

 

Now if they are not a Muslim then the issue would not arise.

 

A practicing muslim is one who follows the faith and obeys all islam laws by their definition

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3 hours ago, Boiler said:

The issue I see is that you need to free to marry and as a Muslim Female can not marry a non Muslim male then how are you free to marry?

Islam is not a monolithic religion.  While most muslims would not accept a Muslim woman marrying a non-muslim there are a few who think it's OK.  The Bahraini woman-in-question obviously subscribes to the minority view.  

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2 minutes ago, RLA said:

Islam is not a monolithic religion.  While most muslims would not accept a Muslim woman marrying a non-muslim there are a few who think it's OK.  The Bahraini woman-in-question obviously subscribes to the minority view.  

OP mentioned Shia and I am pretty sure they are not a minority.


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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