Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

[Dashinka 23,229]

11 hours ago, refugee said:

 

By any reasonable metric, “mass” immigration is a myth. The reality is that America desperately needs to pick up the pace of immigration for its economic health.

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A naturalization ceremony in Los Angeles in December. CreditLucy Nicholson/Reuters

By Shikha Dalmia

Ms. Dalmia is a senior analyst at Reason Foundation, a writer at Reason magazine and a columnist at The Week.

• Jan. 15, 2019

President Trump has shut down the government to get money for a border wall that he says will stop illegal immigration. But the fact of the matter is that that’s not all he wants to stop. During the three-day shutdown last January, he demanded a 40 percent reduction in legal immigration, arguing that America has been swamped by immigrants.

“There’s a limit to how many people a nation can responsibly absorb into their societies, ” he has declared.

He is not alone in invoking this boogeyman. That America is being overwhelmed by a flood of immigrants has become conventional wisdom across the political spectrum, presented in books from, on the right, Reihan Salam of National Review, the son of Bangladeshi immigrants; in the center, Francis Fukuyama of Stanford, whose mother immigrated from Japan; and on the left, Jefferson Cowie of Vanderbilt University, who actually counsels his fellow progressives not to fear more immigration.

But by any reasonable metric, the idea that America is experiencing mass immigration is a myth. The reality is that we desperately need to pick up the pace of immigration to maintain our work force and economic health.

 

 

 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi6us7AyP_fAhXDN30KHXUIDzsQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F01%2F15%2Fopinion%2Ftrump-immigration-myth.html&psig=AOvVaw2fQBg8XCbKFgbVnFe89dAe&ust=1548183875033875

So an opinion piece? 

[Chris Duffy 1,256]

13 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

The ONLY reason democrats are so pro-illegal immigration today is because Trump has spoken out against it.  Period.

No one has ever presented a logical argument in support of continued illegal immigration.  Only emotional ones.

This poster gets it

 

 

[TBoneTX 43,038]

Might throw in here that the 6th anniversary of Mrs. T-B.'s naturalization is today (1/23).

 

Worth a first or repeat reading, see man:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/382775-mrs-t-b-the-citizenship-test/

[refugee 169]

On 1/21/2019 at 10:21 PM, Bill & Katya said:

So an opinion piece? 

Is posting opinions a violation ?

[Dashinka 23,229]

5 minutes ago, refugee said:

Is posting opinions a violation ?

Nope, just questioning your use of an opinion piece since I received that same question from you related to the constant Trump investigation that was spurred by political opposition research.

[E & J 2018 132]

6 hours ago, refugee said:

Is posting opinions a violation ?

I thought you were taking a break?!?! 🙏

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

7 hours ago, E & J 2018 said:

I thought you were taking a break?!?! 🙏

I think that was the other token MDL but I am jet lagged badly 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 1/21/2019 at 2:51 PM, ALFKAD said:

@refugee - We have just over 1 million legal immigrants per year now.  We have more immigrants than any other nation by far; 4 times that of Germany, the #2 most-migrated-to country in the world.  Something like 47 million immigrants overall.  (Not counting the fact that technically, all of us come from immigrants). Almost 15% of our nation are immigrants from other nations in our lifetime.  How can you say this site, or this country, is anti-immigrant???

 

And as for sustainability... why do we need more?  More people equals less open land, less trees, more global warming, right?  Less food per person, which drives up the cost of food.  The US population is growing at a rate of 56 million per year.  Throw in another 1 million for legal immigrants.  For how long do you think we can support this growth rate?  Why do we need to “pick up the pace of immigration for our economic health”??  What will those 1 million immigrants do for the country that the 56 million aren’t able to do?

 

15 hours ago, refugee said:

Is posting opinions a violation ?

You may have missed my post because I didn’t quote you, but I’d like to hear your thoughts on my post on page 1 when you have the time.

[refugee 169]

2 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

 

You may have missed my post because I didn’t quote you, but I’d like to hear your thoughts on my post on page 1 when you have the time.

You are correct that we are taking in 1 million per year including 1/2 through change of status. With 300 some million in population the immigration added less than 1/3 of 1 %.  Immigration is about 1/3 of our population growth .

 

You are wrong about the population growth rate of 56 million per year.

[jg121783 3,907]

9 hours ago, refugee said:

You are correct that we are taking in 1 million per year including 1/2 through change of status. With 300 some million in population the immigration added less than 1/3 of 1 %.  Immigration is about 1/3 of our population growth .

 

You are wrong about the population growth rate of 56 million per year.

So we should end criminal/terrorism background checks and health screenings and open the flood gates to anyone and everyone who wants to come here? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. The article you originally posted seems to advocate for less border security on the premise that we need more immigrants.

[Boiler 43,419]

I tend to think this cat is out of the bag, there is an article in the LA Times about the lines on the Southern Mexican border for Humanitarian Visas, a one year visa to enter Mexico and work if you want to.

 

Most according to the LA Times wish to use it to claims Asylum in the US, a very obvious opportunity.

 

With the way things are the situation will become more and more interesting. And there seems to be no end game, so I assume a generational change.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

15 hours ago, refugee said:

You are correct that we are taking in 1 million per year including 1/2 through change of status. With 300 some million in population the immigration added less than 1/3 of 1 %.  Immigration is about 1/3 of our population growth .

 

You are wrong about the population growth rate of 56 million per year.

Says you, not the statistics on births in the US.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

17 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Says you, not the statistics on births in the US.

I’d like to see the stats where the population is growing by 56 million per year. Everything I’ve read said it was slowing. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

I’d like to see the stats where the population is growing by 56 million per year. Everything I’ve read said it was slowing. 

Thanks for calling me out Spooks.  I honestly can't remember where I came up with 56 mil - I was trying to subtract deaths and births for 2018, but obviously I screwed that up (can't seem to find the site I originally got the numbers from).  Let me try again, and this time I won't forget the credible links.

 

http://www.multpl.com/us-population-growth-rate/table/by-year

 

.71% X 325 mil (approx) is about 2.3 mil.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm

Births = 3.9 mil

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Deaths = 2.7 mil

 

Diff = 1.2 mil.  Add another mil for immigrants, and it is close to first link.

 

But back to my original point - the us population is growing, not declining.  Even without immigrants, it is positive.   Sure, it is growing at a slower rate than in the 70s.  But still growing. And I dont see how we "need immigrants" to sustain our economy. 

 

[spookyturtle 9,465]

6 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Thanks for calling me out Spooks.  I honestly can't remember where I came up with 56 mil - I was trying to subtract deaths and births for 2018, but obviously I screwed that up (can't seem to find the site I originally got the numbers from).  Let me try again, and this time I won't forget the credible links.

 

http://www.multpl.com/us-population-growth-rate/table/by-year

 

.71% X 325 mil (approx) is about 2.3 mil.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm

Births = 3.9 mil

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Deaths = 2.7 mil

 

Diff = 1.2 mil.  Add another mil for immigrants, and it is close to first link.

 

But back to my original point - the us population is growing, not declining.  Even without immigrants, it is positive.   Sure, it is growing at a slower rate than in the 70s.  But still growing. And I dont see how we "need immigrants" to sustain our economy. 

 

It’s definitely growing, just at a slower rate. I recall reading a while back that it was the slowest growth rate since the 1930’s. 

 

Personally I don’t see us hurting for a lack of people. And I feel that we do need immigration control to keep things in check. I’m all for immigration as long as it’s done legally.