udge rules Obamacare unconstitutional, endangering coverage for 20 million

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

No doctor I have ever known has ever gone into practice in the interest of making money. If anything doctors often take a loss. They charge money so that they can keep their practices usually afloat and pay their employees.

Doctors make bank in most all cases. Doctors do not often take a loss. I grew up in a medical family.  That statment is absurd.  Many do pursue it for money, some do not. My neurosurgeon is very wealthy, My GP makes high 100ks. Even a hospitalist or contract circuit ER doc makes 200k

 

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35 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

No, just no.  If they “often take a loss”, they would not stay in business, period.  Yes, there is a metric butt-ton of debt associated with becoming a doctor, no argument there.  And yes, doctors sometimes take a loss on patients who don’t pay.  While there may be a desire to help people inside them, the money is also a draw.  Just as it is for lawyers, pilots, and any other high-paying career field.

You nailed it , the whole most doctors take a loss thing is absurd as is money does not attract many. The pilot thing,  they usually make massive salaries,  work a few days a month, jet around to exotic locations and have supermodel chicks throwing themselves at them.

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5 hours ago, jg121783 said:

If that's the case answer my question. Name a single government program that has been managed in an efficient and cost effective manner.

I don't know, my in laws seem pretty happy with Medicare. Does that count? Perhaps, government progams might be a little better, if half Republicans didn't spend so much time and effort trying to undermine them? 

 

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Had a friend who was a GP in the UK, a friend who is a Surgeon here, both did very nicely.

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20 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 The pilot thing,  they usually make massive salaries,  work a few days a month, jet around to exotic locations and have supermodel chicks throwing themselves at them.

Actually this is depending on where they work, what plane they fly, and what routes they fly. If you fly smaller jets on more regional airlines and routes you will make around $30-40k a year in the USA. If you fly for the actual larger airlines and jets on the longer routes then you will the big bucks. 

 

I didn't know all of this until I stood in line waiting 1+ hour for the ATM when working in abroad and ended up talking to the people around me. The guy behind me was a airline pilot flying cargo into and out of Afghanistan for a living. He was around my age and said that seniority is the big thing and if you are younger you will be flying more regional jets making #######. 

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5.5 years living in the US one thing I can say for certain, is the healthcare here sucks. I'm not just even referring to health insurance btw, but healthcare in general. It's terrible, there's no escaping that. Now, we can debate whether or not Obamacare made it better(I personally don't think it did) or whether we need something better than that in place, but I find the idea that a doctor will avoid sending a patient for certain tests for fear of their pay by the insurance company being lowered to be ludicrously insane. As a minarchist, I don't like government in my business, but I also don't want a for-profit company that I pay alot of money to every month to decide for me what tests I can and cannot have. That is simply downright dumb.

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1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

I think most are motivated by helping people. But most of them would like to earn a decent living while doing so. Most of them spend up to $100k or more and give up at least 8 years of their life learning how to be doctor. I have no problem with skilled doctors making good money. If someone is cutting my chest open to operate on my heart you better believe I eant them to be paid well. Just like when I get on a plane. I would hope the captain and flight crew are paid well. Its normal to be paid well when you have useful and even life saving skills that most others don't have.

 

$100K?  Lol, not today.  Starting costs are more like a quarter of a million dollars.  Heck, I know pilot students who exit training with $175K in debt.  And then they get their "dream job" making about $25-30K. Some are still paying off their student loans 13 years later.

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You nailed it , the whole most doctors take a loss thing is absurd as is money does not attract many. The pilot thing,  they usually make massive salaries,  work a few days a month, jet around to exotic locations and have supermodel chicks throwing themselves at them.

Now that I know their secret, I wanna be a pilot!!

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1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

Now that I know their secret, I wanna be a pilot!!

Will that make you satisfied?

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8 hours ago, yuna628 said:

No doctor I have ever known has ever gone into practice in the interest of making money. If anything doctors often take a loss. They charge money so that they can keep their practices usually afloat and pay their employees.

My ex wife went into practice for the money, that was her #1 reason

17 hours ago, Boiler said:

Effectively the Exchange which isun affordable and has deductibles people can not fund.

We need to go back to how it was before Obama screwed it up.

 

Rates were so much cheaper, seems as if he caused them to double or triple

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6 hours ago, OriZ said:

Will that make you satisfied?

Probably not.  Actually, I want to identify as a retired multi-millionaire sitting on a beach with a drink in my hand, watching the babes walk by in their swimming suits.

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12 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

Just get rid of the insurance companies and the for profit nature of health care, in the US system saving lives is not the number one priority, its money.

Are you going to get rid of the ambulance chasers as well?

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1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

Probably not.  Actually, I want to identify as a retired multi-millionaire sitting on a beach with a drink in my hand, watching the babes walk by in their swimming suits.

Close.. you nailed it if not for those pesky 4 days a month you have to work

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10 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I don't know, my in laws seem pretty happy with Medicare. Does that count? Perhaps, government progams might be a little better, if half Republicans didn't spend so much time and effort trying to undermine them? 

 

That's funny. My mother has a difficult time getting the care she needs under Medicare and hates all the red tape and hoops she has to jump through. The doctors who treat her also have to jump through a bunch of hoops the get needed procedures approved. Typical democrats. Create a system that's destined to fail then blame republicans when the inevitable happens.

 

3 hours ago, Chris Duffy said:

My ex wife went into practice for the money, that was her #1 reason

We need to go back to how it was before Obama screwed it up.

 

Rates were so much cheaper, seems as if he caused them to double or triple

Things were far from perfect before Obamacare but at least insurance premiums were affordable.

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47 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

That's funny. My mother has a difficult time getting the care she needs under Medicare and hates all the red tape and hoops she has to jump through. The doctors who treat her also have to jump through a bunch of hoops the get needed procedures approved. Typical democrats. Create a system that's destined to fail then blame republicans when the inevitable happens.

 

Things were far from perfect before Obamacare but at least insurance premiums were affordable.

Mom has never had an issue receiving any of the care she needs under Medicare. No hoops or red tape, and it has paid for everything she has had to go through since her diagnosis. There are a few hoops her doctors must jump through in order to provide her pain medication, but that's on them. My Dad on the other hand isn't able to get certain medications he previously had now on Medicare, but it did also used to be very difficult to get any regular insurance company to pay for them without extensive hoops either.

 

I never found insurance premiums to ever be affordable for myself or anyone else that I know, pre or post Ocare. Me and my husband are very fortunate for the insurance we have now and how much his employer shells out for it. One trip to the ER, and they billed 7 grand for a couple of hours.. just this week I considered going back there but held out until I could see a specialist that will probably bill a lot for tests. The only thing we have had to pay is about $180 so far, on our old insurance we would have been paying a huge chunk of that. He hates how much comes out of his paycheck for it, but he sees the value when he gets to see the EOBs.

 

As for doctors: guys honestly, I look at some of your statements sadly. Many doctors, nurses in my family, and family members that have worked for doctors for years, and all the doctors I have personally dealt with - did not get into health with the desire to make money. Their goal was to help and heal people. Spend enough time in cancer wards, trauma centers, and pediatrics to see the very best kind and selfless good doctor's who are fighting for people's lives. Some make a comfortable living, but a lot have money issues just like the rest of us, and still others have practices that until you see the money figures behind the scenes, you'd realize what's coming in is just to keep stuff mostly afloat. I have no issues with doctors making money though, in many cases they need better staffing and supplies too. It still remains difficult for doctor's and their staff to fight insurance companies who want to constantly deny ease of life or life saving medication for patients simply because they don't want to pay for it. That is one thing that has never changed even with Ocare.