K1 Visa denied at Islamabad Embassy

[Kastrs 723]

7 minutes ago, mich923 said:

Not that I'm aware of. It was a straight forward divorce. 

What about any red flags? Are you Pakistani? religious differences? age differences?

How did you come to know each other? How much face time have you had

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

23 minutes ago, Kastrs said:

What about any red flags? Are you Pakistani? religious differences? age differences?

How did you come to know each other? How much face time have you had

 

30 minutes ago, mich923 said:

Not that I'm aware of. It was a straight forward divorce. 

To play devil’s advocate, he wouldn’t tell you if she withdrew the petition because she realized it was a GC marriage. How much do you know about this marriage - how they met, how long they were married for, reasons for divorce, etc?

 

the above questions form kastrs (length of relationship, differences etc) matter. I know Pakistan is difficult, but I also find it difficult to believe COs accuse people of lying without any basis for that.  Your best bet is proper proof of a real relationship. 

[Boiler 43,433]

There are clues in past posts but best for the OP to list the details.

[mich923 23]

32 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

 

To play devil’s advocate, he wouldn’t tell you if she withdrew the petition because she realized it was a GC marriage. How much do you know about this marriage - how they met, how long they were married for, reasons for divorce, etc?

 

the above questions form kastrs (length of relationship, differences etc) matter. I know Pakistan is difficult, but I also find it difficult to believe COs accuse people of lying without any basis for that.  Your best bet is proper proof of a real relationship. 

Yes I am aware of that, but from what he told me was she cheated on him and wanted to marry someone else, that's why he divorced her. And she said she withdrew the application. 

 

My fiance and I met in 2015 on an anonymous app called Whisper so I don't believe our case would be fraudulent. We are also figuring out other details on what to do next. We have discussed me moving there.

 

My mom came to meet him and his family in Pakistan which we brought as proof. We do have different cultural and religious backgrounds, and he is 5 years older with no children.

[Kastrs 723]

26 minutes ago, Boiler said:

There are clues in past posts but best for the OP to list the details.

I was noticing that too 

[mich923 23]

59 minutes ago, Boiler said:

There are clues in past posts but best for the OP to list the details.

What clues in past posts? Unfortunately I don't have every detail as my fiance is still traveling home. 

[Kastrs 723]

37 minutes ago, mich923 said:

Yes I am aware of that, but from what he told me was she cheated on him and wanted to marry someone else, that's why he divorced her. And she said she withdrew the application. 

DO you have confirmation of exactly what was provided for that withdrawal? Perhaps the Ex has another side of the story and provided some information to that effect with the withdrawal. 

 

My fiance and I met in 2015 on an anonymous app called Whisper so I don't believe our case would be fraudulent. this would certainly be considered a non conventional way to meet in Pakistan and would raise a flag

We are also figuring out other details on what to do next. We have discussed me moving there.

 

My mom came to meet him and his family in Pakistan which we brought as proof. We do have different cultural and religious backgrounds, red flag and red flag and he is 5 years older with no children.

how much facetime have you had how many visits 

how long was your relationship before you got serious/filed

 

also maybe run through everything with your fiance again, make sure you have all the details

 

37 minutes ago, mich923 said:

 

[Boiler 43,433]

18 minutes ago, mich923 said:

What clues in past posts? Unfortunately I don't have every detail as my fiance is still traveling home. 

Often we have very little information, so one way of trying to get a feel is to go through past posts to see if there are any clues on the overall situation. Obviously not ideal but sometimes all we have.

[Baz20 42]

8 hours ago, mich923 said:

Hello everyone,

 

My fiance had his interview and his visa was denied at the embassy in Islamabad today. He said the consulate officer was very rude when asking questions. And at the end of the interview, the officer said he was lying because he had a previous petition with his ex, in which she withdrew the petition and my fiance divorced her. This happened 6 years ago. The officer returned all original documents and his passport at the interview. And said the case will be returned to the NVC.

 

Is there anything we can do before that happens? Or is the next step to just get married and file an I-130?

 

This is heartbreaking. Did the CO asked and looked at the evidence of ongoing relationship?

 

Not sure why would CO made a comment about lying regarding previous marriage/divorce if it was properly disclosed. Do you know if the previous marriage was also with someone with the different cultural and religious background? 

[Love To Teach 161]

8 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

 

 

 

the above questions form kastrs (length of relationship, differences etc) matter. I know Pakistan is difficult, but I also find it difficult to believe COs accuse people of lying without any basis for that.  Your best bet is proper proof of a real relationship. 

You might find it difficult to believe, but they accuse people all the time of lying. You must not know a thing about the Pakistan Embassy. That is one of their most common tactics--accusing the person of lying about being married, being divorced, whatever lies they can come up with. They are arrogant and abusive. They terrorize people in a small room, screaming and yelling in their faces, throwing papers in their faces and screaming insults until they break them down. And btw, this is not my opinion, it's my husband and other's experiences. They hire locals to terrorize their own people in that little room. That way, the American CO's "keep their hands clean" while they watch the abuse.  And, of course, they conveniently don't record interviews. Why would they not do that in this day and age? No evidence of their abuse.  They nearly destroyed my husband's confidence, as he is a mild and meek kind of guy who is very respectful of others and has never been screamed at before. He is a well-respected businessman there (and still has 2 small businesses there), but moved to Dubai for a great job. Thank God, because he is finally regaining his physical health also. He was expecting an interview. What he got was a terrorist inquisition.  If you think I am not telling the truth, I don't care. God knows the truth. I have heard way too many other stories of abuse from lots of other people. They are just too embarrassed to talk about it on here because people automatically assume there is something wrong with them. Those that have suffered through that know that these are not interviews, they are assaults on a person's character.

 

Edited December 5, 2018 by Love To Teach

[mich923 23]

7 hours ago, Baz20 said:

This is heartbreaking. Did the CO asked and looked at the evidence of ongoing relationship?

 

Not sure why would CO made a comment about lying regarding previous marriage/divorce if it was properly disclosed. Do you know if the previous marriage was also with someone with the different cultural and religious background? 

The CO tried to convince my fiance that he was lying, but my fiance said he isn't lying. Then the CO started asking why we didn't get married sooner? Then asked how we met? The CO said he is sending the application back. 

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

1 hour ago, Love To Teach said:

  And, of course, they conveniently don't record interviews. Why would they not do that in this day and age? 

 

My immigrant visa interview wasn’t recorded either. I don’t think any of them are. You may think it’s to cover up abuse, but it’s just normal.

 

if things are really so terrible as you say, such as  that they hire locals to terrorize interviewees, there must be very many US citizens who are relatives of Pakistanis applying for K visas or immigrant visas lodging complaints with their senators and congresspeople each year? There were over 11000 issued immigrant visas from Pakistan last year, presumably more interviewed, that must be thousands of complaints? With nothing done?

[Londonergirl 133]

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

My immigrant visa interview wasn’t recorded either. I don’t think any of them are. You may think it’s to cover up abuse, but it’s just normal.

 

Sorry if I'm changing subject now but the GC interview is recorded though isn't it? 

[Ahmed&Freda 628]

57 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

My immigrant visa interview wasn’t recorded either. I don’t think any of them are. You may think it’s to cover up abuse, but it’s just normal.

 

if things are really so terrible as you say, such as  that they hire locals to terrorize interviewees, there must be very many US citizens who are relatives of Pakistanis applying for K visas or immigrant visas lodging complaints with their senators and congresspeople each year? There were over 11000 issued immigrant visas from Pakistan last year, presumably more interviewed, that must be thousands of complaints? With nothing done?

I don't know about thousands of complaints.   Or how many they treat this way (its just a select few not all) but I do know it is known.  An attorney I consulted with when I completed my I130 warned me of this happening as did an attorney I consulted when I was getting ready to submit my rebuttal.   They are very well aware of the scare tactics this embassy uses to scare people into admitting things.   I have been in contact with my local congressman since our first interview he is very well aware of everything we have gone through from that point on.  I won't use the word terrorizing but it is an interrogation and for someone who is completely innocent it can be extremely confusing.   They took me in that room after interrogating my husband trying to get him to admit his divorce papers were fake.   When it was my turn they questioned me repeatedly if I was excepting money from him and mocking me on my small wedding (compared to his first marraige).  None of those items were mentioned on the NOIR by the way.   

 

I understand this embassy sees a lot of fraud but there are some who are completely innocent and being affected. 

[Going through 5,668]

11 minutes ago, Londonergirl said:

Sorry if I'm changing subject now but the GC interview is recorded though isn't it? 

Mine wasn't.  Don't think it's common for that, either.