K1 Visa denied at Islamabad Embassy

[Londonergirl 133]

4 minutes ago, Going through said:

Mine wasn't.  Don't think it's common for that, either.

I am pretty sure that mine was actually! But that might have been because my husband was not with me at my interview. But I thought that everyone's interviews were recorded, haha. 

[Lemonslice 4,549]

10 minutes ago, Going through said:

Mine wasn't.  Don't think it's common for that, either.

Cameras and microphones are all over the consulate in Montreal... so while not recording your interview specifically, pretty much everything in the public zone is recorded. 

[Going through 5,668]

1 minute ago, Lemonslice said:

Cameras and microphones are all over the consulate in Montreal... so while not recording your interview specifically, pretty much everything in the public zone is recorded. 

I don't know about what happens during interviews at the consulate---I was responding to the other member asking if GC interviews are recorded...but yea, I would imagine the public zones in USCIS field offices are recorded as well.

[Visitor User 228]

Was the interview in Urdu?

[Boiler 43,391]

As far as I could tell my interview was not recorded.

[Lemonslice 4,549]

1 minute ago, Going through said:

I don't know about what happens during interviews at the consulate---I was responding to the other member asking if GC interviews are recorded...but yea, I would imagine the public zones in USCIS field offices are recorded as well.

Sorry, I thought you had interviewed at a consulate. I am not sure about the security at the field offices, never had to visit one of them. 

[payxibka 10,044]

3 minutes ago, Going through said:

I don't know about what happens during interviews at the consulate---I was responding to the other member asking if GC interviews are recorded...but yea, I would imagine the public zones in USCIS field offices are recorded as well.

Stokes interviews are the only GC interviews that are recorded

[mich923 23]

7 hours ago, Visitor User said:

Was the interview in Urdu?

No it was in English

[Love To Teach 161]

15 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

My immigrant visa interview wasn’t recorded either. I don’t think any of them are. You may think it’s to cover up abuse, but it’s just normal.

 

if things are really so terrible as you say, such as  that they hire locals to terrorize interviewees, there must be very many US citizens who are relatives of Pakistanis applying for K visas or immigrant visas lodging complaints with their senators and congresspeople each year? There were over 11000 issued immigrant visas from Pakistan last year, presumably more interviewed, that must be thousands of complaints? With nothing done?

If you wanted a second interview, would you complain?  So are you saying I'm lying and this only happened to us? Ask yourself why they use the locals to harass the person? Don't you find it a little odd that it's never the Americans? At least, that is the way it has been to all of the people I have talked to. My husband's lawyers in Pakistan and the UK say this happens all the time to people at that embassy. Do you think you know more about it than they do? By the way, I find your attitude really offensive. If you had been treated that way, you wouldn't be so smug.

 

The people I know are afraid to file complaints because they will be retaliated against, especially if they get a second interview.. When you complain, you get a pat answer basically saying too bad, go see your local office, where they will say the same thing. "Sorry, the CO has the final word. Nothing we can do about it." The people I know are afraid to file a complaint. Ask them why. Did you go through that embassy? 

 

The thing is, the person should have a civil interview, not a terrorizing "criminal" assault. The embassy's own guidelines state that they CO is to be respectful of the person, never attack nor harass. THAT's my point.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Love To Teach

[geowrian 22,335]

8 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

Ask yourself why they use the locals to harass the person? Don't you find it a little odd that it's never the Americans?

I can't speak to why only they would do it...but whether it's the "pre-interview" local or the actual CO (American) wouldn't matter.  It's not like if it was the CO it would change anything.

 

8 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

My husband's lawyers in Pakistan and the UK say this happens all the time to people at that embassy. Do you think you know more about it than they do?

I think they have an incentive in the matter.

I don't know the individuals so I can't speak to them specifically, But we very, very often see misleading information from lawyers in an effort to increase their business (often via fear).

[Love To Teach 161]

22 minutes ago, geowrian said:

I can't speak to why only they would do it...but whether it's the "pre-interview" local or the actual CO (American) wouldn't matter.  It's not like if it was the CO it would change anything.

 

I think they have an incentive in the matter.

I don't know the individuals so I can't speak to them specifically, But we very, very often see misleading information from lawyers in an effort to increase their business (often via fear).

These lawyers are my husband's friends and are not charging him for their services, so that shoots down your theory. You miss the point....The locals are better at screaming at them in their own language, basically using their religion against them to incite guilt for being divorced. The American CO sits there watching while the locals do the terrorizing. I'm officially giving up trying to explain to people what is going on. Now you see why. You are making excuses for this behavior, so you can see why people don't report it. People like you are the reason. Yeah, I'm making all this up...geeze....You should have to go through what other people have...then maybe you wouldn't be so quick to discredit the truth about what people have had to endure at these "interviews." 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Love To Teach

[GP1977 288]

6 minutes ago, Love To Teach said:

These lawyers are my husband's friends and are not charging him for their services, so that shoots down your theory. You miss the point....The locals are better at screaming at them in their own language, basically using their religion against them to incite guilt for being divorced. The American CO sits there watching while the locals do the terrorizing. I'm officially giving up trying to explain to people what is going on. Now you see why. You are making excuses for this behavior, so you can see why people don't report it. People like you are the reason. Yeah, I'm making all this up...geeze....You should have to go through what other people have...then maybe you wouldn't be so quick to discredit the truth about what people have had to endure at these "interviews." 

You have to realize that the Foreign Service Officers are the last defense to the US Border.   Locals are used for interrogations in many embassy's around the world where the interview is not conducted in English because the CO doesn't have the language skills to conduct a more difficult interview.  They go through intense interrogation training.  Just because someone raises their voice at someone doesn't constitute an assault.  

 

Unfortunately, because Pakistan is a high fraud country, the applicants who come through there are under extreme scrutiny and go through a very difficult interview.  You can blame this on the fact of the previous K1 applicants in Pakistan.  ITs not the fault of the State Department.  

 

Finally I am glad it happens because it weeds out some of the bad apples. 

 

If you dont like, then dont go through the process.

 

[Boiler 43,391]

There was a fly on the wall documentary series some years back shown in the UK, I forget the name but it covered the Sub Continent, I just remember the issues the Consulate staff had to address, I guess you need to see it to believe it.

[geowrian 22,335]

Edit: Removed...not worth the effort.

Edited December 6, 2018 by geowrian

[Ahmed&Freda 628]

31 minutes ago, GP1977 said:

You have to realize that the Foreign Service Officers are the last defense to the US Border.   Locals are used for interrogations in many embassy's around the world where the interview is not conducted in English because the CO doesn't have the language skills to conduct a more difficult interview.  They go through intense interrogation training.  Just because someone raises their voice at someone doesn't constitute an assault.  

 

Unfortunately, because Pakistan is a high fraud country, the applicants who come through there are under extreme scrutiny and go through a very difficult interview.  You can blame this on the fact of the previous K1 applicants in Pakistan.  ITs not the fault of the State Department.  

 

 

Finally I am glad it happens because it weeds out some of the bad apples. 

I agree that I'm glad this happens to an extent.  I actually would love to help in this effort one day.  It infuriates me that people get away with ####### daily and my husband and I have had to work so hard.  The thing is that sometimes they don't have it right.    AP ok...background checks..ok but accusing people of wrong doing and interrogation??  They don't interrogate about terrorist activity.  I have NEVER seen someone even questioned on it.  That would make sense to me.

 

This is what I think about the whole thing.   My first interview they scrambled going from one thing to another.  The Pakistani guy who screamed at my husband would not make eye contact with me.  I asked him to explain to me how the documents were fake.  He stumbled..no response.  When they said they were returning the case I asked why..because he is a fraud.  I asked the lady looking her dead in the face to answer me why...her answer because we see this everyday.  I said give me a reason why you think "he is" no answer.  I left that day completely confused.   I really did not understand why it was being returned they could not give me any good reason.   I waited for that NOIR and put my husband through HELL thinking perhaps he forgot something or screwed something up.   When i got it I was even more angry.  They didn't say he was a fraud, or his documents were fake or I was accepting money from him in this NOIR (because those statements were completely ridiculous).  The NOIR was laughable they didn't believe my husband was divorced because his wife did not update her own CNIC in which he has no power to change or knew or thought about.  At the end of the day I let it go.  I understand they are doing there job and perhaps they are under staffed/ Under funded and/or don't want to contribute the funds needed to look into things.   

 

I thought things were looking up as we were on our way to get another interview.   First the embassy emails me information on adoption visa after weeks of getting them to fix this mistake and get the correct information the visa interview letter said expedited, Follow to Join or age out.   I was confused and again could not get the embassy to answer.  The final letter said Follow to Join.  I had my senator contact the embassy their reply sorry your having trouble here is the link again which took me to the same place.   I emailed travel docs to please communicate the error so it doesn't cause confusion at the interview their response was sorry you are having trouble but you have an interview scheduled please attend.   When we showed up that day it was utter confusion.   At one point my husband was asked what he was doing there.  I watched as one window looked over our file for over an hour before passing it on to another.  The interview as easy, they kept the passport but put him in AP in addition the questionnaire.  Now you want to do extensive back ground checks after this couple has been waiting for almost two years???  

 

 

 

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If you dont like, then dont go through the process.

 

This part though...   I hope and pray one day you pay for someone else's mistake,  One day you watch other people get something that you can't have because of your race or your religion  and it all just be part of the process.

Edited December 6, 2018 by Ahmed&Freda