Blue Wave

[Dashinka 23,231]

1 minute ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

We have been seeing this a lot here in NC with transplants from the NE. They are complaining about how the districts are gerrymandered right now without knowing the full freaking history of how they came to be in the first place. The Dems here in NC gerrymandered the districts for over 100 years and gave us the crappy 12th Congressional District that I grew up in. That district was literally stretching down I-85 from Greensboro to Charlotte in primarily minority districts. 

 

I argue with people about this when they say "We need to have the Dems in charge so that the maps can be drawn to favor us". 

Michigan passed a proposal that will create a 13 member commission (4 Dems, 4 Repubs and 5 Indies) to draw the districts.  I don't know, I think even that is likely to be partisan.  Heck, I am not registered with either party, so I could qualify as an Independent, and I am certainly more MDR/Libertarian.  Whatever, maybe I will try to get on this commission.

[Póg mo 1,749]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Sure, the Democrats have never gerrymandered any districts.  I love how the Dems have their victimhood status engrained in their base.

 

 

Does that make it okay? Typical response from you. If the Dems ever did something, then it's alw okay for the Republicans to do it, to the nth degree.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

We have been seeing this a lot here in NC with transplants from the NE. They are complaining about how the districts are gerrymandered right now without knowing the full freaking history of how they came to be in the first place. The Dems here in NC gerrymandered the districts for over 100 years and gave us the crappy 12th Congressional District that I grew up in. That district was literally stretching down I-85 from Greensboro to Charlotte in primarily minority districts. 

 

I argue with people about this when they say "We need to have the Dems in charge so that the maps can be drawn to favor us". 

It was done by Dems to make super majority black districts.  What it accomplished was making sure all the other districts had very little minority input 

[Póg mo 1,749]

Say what you want, but the truth of the matter is that the Republicans are only holding on to power because of industrial level gerrymandering. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Say what you want, but the truth of the matter is that the Republicans are only holding on to power because of industrial level gerrymandering. 

Thats sounds great.. Only problem with your dreamlike haze. We gained in the senate, All Senate races are state wide no districts

 

I know pesky facts and stuff right LOL

[Dashinka 23,231]

4 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Does that make it okay? Typical response from you. If the Dems ever did something, then it's alw okay for the Republicans to do it, to the nth degree.

Does it make it OK that you only point to one party as being the bad guy when it comes to drawing House district lines?  Let's be fair, and yes, either are wrong if they are doing it for partisan reasons.  There is however another possibility, the are requirements from Washington to maintain certain minority districts, the only problem is that minorities often times move around within 10 year periods, so if a commission, or a state legislature is tasked with maintaining one or two districts with a majority minority population along with trying to keep fairly equal populations in all their districts then maps may end up with some very oddly shaped districts.  There is a lot more to creating House maps then trying to look at party affiliations. 

[Dashinka 23,231]

7 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Say what you want, but the truth of the matter is that the Republicans are only holding on to power because of industrial level gerrymandering. 

I think you need to do some additional research into how House districts are determined.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Does it make it OK that you only point to one party as being the bad guy when it comes to drawing House district lines?  Let's be fair, and yes, either are wrong if they are doing it for partisan reasons.  There is however another possibility, the are requirements from Washington to maintain certain minority districts, the only problem is that minorities often times move around within 10 year periods, so if a commission, or a state legislature is tasked with maintaining one or two districts with a majority minority population along with trying to keep fairly equal populations in all their districts then maps may end up with some very oddly shaped districts.  There is a lot more to creating House maps then trying to look at party affiliations. 

So the Democrats gained ground in races that have districts and the Repubs gained ground in races that don't have districts 

Yet the MDL blames any repub success on Gerrymandering,. Yes I know thats just how out of touch they are 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

23 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Does it make it OK that you only point to one party as being the bad guy when it comes to drawing House district lines?  Let's be fair, and yes, either are wrong if they are doing it for partisan reasons.  There is however another possibility, the are requirements from Washington to maintain certain minority districts, the only problem is that minorities often times move around within 10 year periods, so if a commission, or a state legislature is tasked with maintaining one or two districts with a majority minority population along with trying to keep fairly equal populations in all their districts then maps may end up with some very oddly shaped districts.  There is a lot more to creating House maps then trying to look at party affiliations. 

I have said numerous times that I think all districts need to be redrawn by nonpartisan people to increase the competitiveness of a district. 

[Dashinka 23,231]

13 minutes ago, Marty Byrde said:

So the Democrats gained ground in races that have districts and the Repubs gained ground in races that don't have districts 

Yet the MDL blames any repub success on Gerrymandering,. Yes I know thats just how out of touch they are 

Michigan is a tough one as apparently Washington mandates that it maintain a minimum of two districts that are a majority of blacks in it.  That used to be easy with Detroit, but guess what, Detroit has lost a lot of population and now the districts have to be drawn to capture the mandated demographic.  To hear the MDL, it is all about partisanship.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

33 minutes ago, Marty Byrde said:

It was done by Dems to make super majority black districts.  What it accomplished was making sure all the other districts had very little minority input 

Which at the time was ok for the Dems because it created districts that pro-Democrat with little competitiveness. 

[TBoneTX 43,040]

One House district in the Houston area was drawn specifically and solely to be a Hispanic district.

However, the leading candidate for nomination, a Hispanic, was indicted and withdrew.

Gene Green, a regular white guy, was nominated and re-elected multiple times.

He's retiring at year-end.

Despite his party affiliation, he was a good guy to have in Congress.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

2 hours ago, Marty Byrde said:

So the Democrats gained ground in races that have districts and the Repubs gained ground in races that don't have districts 

Yet the MDL blames any repub success on Gerrymandering,. Yes I know thats just how out of touch they are 

No need to continue, this fact negates any basis for his argument

[Póg mo 1,749]

7 hours ago, Marty Byrde said:

Thats sounds great.. Only problem with your dreamlike haze. We gained in the senate, All Senate races are state wide no districts

 

I know pesky facts and stuff right LOL

Oh that's right, Republicans rely more on voter disenfranchisement for those races.  I'm sure the Dems probably did it to, that's okay then. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

48 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Oh that's right, Republicans rely more on voter disenfranchisement for those races.  I'm sure the Dems probably did it to, that's okay then. 

Gotcha. Ita no longer gerrymandering its disenfranchisement .