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3 hours ago, Póg mo said:

You're right, glad to see you finally woke up. 

P.s. fair.org is very well researched, and unlike the right wing media they don't rely only on their gut for making decisions. 

P.P.S. I find it laughable that you believe fair.org is radical left, but that just does to show how far right you are, to believe it.

Putting words in my mouth. I guess I should expect that from you by now. I didn't say anything about fair.org. I have never heard of them nor am I aware of their political leanings. I said the ADL is a radical left wing group.

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4 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I think you should think on it some more, as you have completely missed the arguments outlined in the article I posted. Can't be reading articles from sources not officially endorsed by the right, now can we? 

Dismissing does not equal missing, I do read on both sides of the spectrum, it more often seems you have a limited reading variety but more power to you, just don't expect all your thoughts are taken overly seriously

 

 

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22 hours ago, Póg mo said:

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Firstly, when comparing recent death tolls from political violence perpetrated by the two sides (communist, anarchist, environmental rights and black nationalist groups on the left, with the varied strands of white supremacist and Christian theocratic groups on the right), as well as deaths inflicted by Islamist extremism, the data is quite clear. In the past decade, right-wing domestic extremism claimed 71 percent of deaths, compared with just 3 percent for left-wing extremists, with the remaining 26 percent attributed to Islamist extremism, according the Anti-Defamation League.

 

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For an organization that claims to be for fair and accuracy in reporting, they sure seem to be fairly biased using sources like the ADL, assuming there are no racist or fascists on the Left and simply blaming everything on Trump.  Doesn’t seem very FAIR to me completely ignoring the nasty rhetoric of the leaders on the Left, but what else is new.

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I wonder, what will the stats be in 8 more years? 8 of the past 10, the Left had Obama. And yes, the extreme right was violent. It's been my observation that it's only really been since Trump won that the Left has been getting increasingly more violent. It started as the extreme Left, but as we have seen and discussed in other threads, the reason #walkaway has happened and some are leaving the Democratic party is that the tantrums from the extreme have become the proclamations of the party leaders and especially during the Kavanaugh circus became the behavior of much of the party members. It's no longer "the extreme Left".  It's still not the entire democratic party, but it is spreading rapidly.  

 

 

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I am an independent though I have leaned towards Trump and some of the republicans in the last couple years in part because of how radicalized the left has become. Both parties have their fringes that occasionally get violent. The difference I have noticed is the main line republicans tend to distance themselves from these people and denounce what they do. The main line democrats on the other hand in recent years have defended the radicals in their party and in a few cases have publicly encouraged them. The democrat party is starting to scare their base away with how extremist they are becoming. Some democrats I know have now gone independent/third party and in a couple cases have decided to vote for at least some of the more centrist republicans. The democrats are becoming dangerous and God help us if they somehow win on Tuesday. God help us if they lose and decide to riot in the streets.

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2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

The democrats are becoming dangerous and God help us if they somehow win on Tuesday. God help us if they lose and decide to riot in the streets.

This is the two-part thing.

Their entire agenda is "impeach Trump; impeach Kavanaugh; raise taxes; open the borders."

Even more ominous is their failure to accept results of elections.  This might rapidly lead to anarchy.

Good article about the latter in National Review not long ago.  Must try to re-find it.

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12 hours ago, OptimusSpice said:

I wonder, what will the stats be in 8 more years? 8 of the past 10, the Left had Obama. And yes, the extreme right was violent. It's been my observation that it's only really been since Trump won that the Left has been getting increasingly more violent. It started as the extreme Left, but as we have seen and discussed in other threads, the reason #walkaway has happened and some are leaving the Democratic party is that the tantrums from the extreme have become the proclamations of the party leaders and especially during the Kavanaugh circus became the behavior of much of the party members. It's no longer "the extreme Left".  It's still not the entire democratic party, but it is spreading rapidly.  

 

 

Reference the thread I posted about the "traumatized" Democrats.  The Left loses in 2016 (also 2000), and we need to get rid of the electoral college, and Gorsuch/Kavanaugh are confirmed (Garland's nomination allowed to whither via the Biden rule) and we need to get rid of the Senate.  I wonder, if the in the case of the GOP retaining the House, will the Left now suggest getting rid of that too.  Do the people today really understand the foundations of this country?  I know something like 75% of Americans don't know the three branches of government, and I believe even a greater number can't name more than one freedom of the First Amendment.  I like to listen to Red Eye Radio (fairly rightish/libertarian) and one of their mottos is "We're Doomed"; they may be correct.

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16 hours ago, jg121783 said:

I am an independent though I have leaned towards Trump and some of the republicans in the last couple years in part because of how radicalized the left has become. Both parties have their fringes that occasionally get violent. The difference I have noticed is the main line republicans tend to distance themselves from these people and denounce what they do.

 

Sure, turn reality on its head.

 

16 hours ago, jg121783 said:

The main line democrats on the other hand in recent years have defended the radicals in their party and in a few cases have publicly encouraged them.

Radicals? What radicals? Name a single radical Democrat active in the party today? Please don't say Bernie Sanders.

 

 

16 hours ago, jg121783 said:

 

The democrat party is starting to scare their base away with how extremist they are becoming. Some democrats I know have now gone independent/third party and in a couple cases have decided to vote for at least some of the more centrist republicans.

Orwellian nonsense.

 

16 hours ago, jg121783 said:

 

 

The democrats are becoming dangerous and God help us if they somehow win on Tuesday. God help us if they lose and decide to riot in the streets.

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14 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Sure, turn reality on its head.

 

Radicals? What radicals? Name a single radical Democrat active in the party today? Please don't say Bernie Sanders.

 

 

Orwellian nonsense.

 

Examples of mainstream Democrats being far left please.

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49 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Sure, turn reality on its head.

 

Radicals? What radicals? Name a single radical Democrat active in the party today? Please don't say Bernie Sanders.

 

 

Orwellian nonsense.

 

Examples of mainstream Democrats being far left please.

Bernie Sanders

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Elizabeth Warren

Maxine Waters

Nancy Pelosi

Charles Schumer

Cory Booker

Kamala Harris

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Bernie Sanders

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Elizabeth Warren

Maxine Waters

Nancy Pelosi

Charles Schumer

Cory Booker

Kamala Harris

 

 

That's just a list of names, of prominent Democrats. Few of which are particularly left-wing. Nancy Pelosi, Booker, Charles Schumer left-wing? That's hilarious. 

 

I'm surprised you didn't list Barack Obama,  Hillary Clinton, or Bebbie Wasserman Schultz, while you were at it. Seriously, just shows a lack of understanding of what being left wing is supposed to represent. 

 

 

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That's just a list of names, of prominent Democrats. Few of which are particularly left-wing. Nancy Pelosi, Booker, Charles Schumer left-wing? That's hilarious. 

 

I'm surprised you didn't list Barack Obama,  Hillary Clinton, or Bebbie Wasserman Schultz, while you were at it. Seriously, just shows a lack of understanding of what being left wing is supposed to represent. 

 

 

You missed a couple.

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47 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Funny, demanding examples/references when never provides ever when askef, deflect much...

Oh contraire, I have provided many examples, but each time they are dismissed as being too "leftist" or liberally biased, by the same folks who believe fox news, or Rush Limbaugh is too be taken seriously. 

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