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I have to admit I'm just plain angry right now.  My fiance and I have submitted a K-1 back in July.  We like many of you now wait for months on end for any kind of notification that we can start our lives together.  While waiting we decided we would submit a B-2 in Kiev so she could come for the holidays to visit me in the US.  She just had her appointment.  It didn't last very long at all.  As soon as they found out we had K-1 in progress, they just told her to "wait for the K-1".  Are you serious!  How soulless and heartless.  We follow the process for the K-1 (who knows if it will actually go through - no one even looks at it for months!).  We follow the process for a B-2.  There is NO reason whatsoever to deny her the tourist visa.  And to just tell you to wait.  Frankly, I'm pissed.  That's unacceptable.  With dismissals like this, one can begin to see why there is such an immigration problem.  

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20 minutes ago, JerryTetiana said:

I have to admit I'm just plain angry right now.  My fiance and I have submitted a K-1 back in July.  We like many of you now wait for months on end for any kind of notification that we can start our lives together.  While waiting we decided we would submit a B-2 in Kiev so she could come for the holidays to visit me in the US.  She just had her appointment.  It didn't last very long at all.  As soon as they found out we had K-1 in progress, they just told her to "wait for the K-1".  Are you serious!  How soulless and heartless.  We follow the process for the K-1 (who knows if it will actually go through - no one even looks at it for months!).  We follow the process for a B-2.  There is NO reason whatsoever to deny her the tourist visa.  And to just tell you to wait.  Frankly, I'm pissed.  That's unacceptable.  With dismissals like this, one can begin to see why there is such an immigration problem.  

just wait it out. Kiev is not a difficult embassy if you got all your paperwork up to date. we got the visa, no problem.


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3/1/2018                    NOA-2

3/15/2018                  NVC case received

3/22/2018                  NVC case assigned

3/23/2018                  Consulate ready

4/11/2018                  Medical

4/17/2018                  Visa Approved

4/24/2018                  Visa on hand

5/23/2018                  Point of Entry ATL

5/24/2018                  Marriage license, officiant and certificate / applied for SS#

5/31/2018                  AOS/AP/EAD

6/7/2018                    email notification of NOA-1

6/11/2018                  NOA-1 hard copies for AOS/EAD/AP

6/27/2018                  Biometrics for AOS/EAD

7/7/2018                    ready to be scheduled for interview

7/11/2018                  We are still reviewing your case and there are no updates at this time (email from USCIS)

8/22/2018                  We are still reviewing your case and there are no updates at this time (same email again)

9/5/2018                     We are still reviewing your case and there are no updates at this time (this is getting boring!!!)

10/3/2018                  We are still reviewing your case and there are no updates at this time (this is insanity, 4th time while some got GC)

10/17/2018                After 136 days of wait in HELL, finally EAD in production

10/21/2018                Card was mailed to me, and yes it said so on a Sunday night, while Vj-ing

10/22/2018                Card was picked up by the USPS

10/24/2018                EAD in hand. F%^&& finally

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Thanks for the replies.  My frustration is presuming you are criminal and have ill intent to circumvent the law.  It's sad that others who break the law ruin it for those that are upstanding individuals.  It's more sad that when you prove you are willing to follow the law and prove you've already supplied every document asked for and paid the money and went through the effort to do everything the correct way - they still presume you to be a criminal. 

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No criminal activity is being suggested.

No documents are required for a tourist visa, other than a passport and the DS-160.


Timelines:

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AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/17/18: Approved

10/24/18: Green card produced

10/31/18: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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Proving ties to the home country for a tourist visa are even harder when there is the presumption that those ties can easily be given up (and would be given up) in the near future with the pending K1.... it wouldn't off-the-bat appear to the CO as compelling reasons to return, then.

 

The good news is that you have the K1 underway and hopefully will be reunited soon, and as an alternative can travel to her country to visit with her during the holidays if feasible.


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My now wife tried twice to get a B1 visa when we were dating, and when she was denied both times, I had many of the same frustrations (note, we did not have a K1 in progress at the time of her attempts).  We certainly would not have circumvented the process, and it would have been nice to give her a chance to experience the US before she made the commitment to come over permanently.  Then I put myself in the place of the CO, they get hundreds of B1 applications daily, they review the files and then see the applicant for a few minutes.  It seems unfair that they reject so many applications, but I imagine they err on the side of assuming immigration intent for many folks particularly when a K1 is in progress.  Good luck with the K1, hopefully you will hear something soon.

 

 

 

 


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I've been refused 3 times and will probably apply for a 4th refusal next year (cos I'm a glutton for misery!).

 

I don't get angry because I know that the COs are only following the law, I don't agree with the law but I accept that I have failed to overcome it.

 

Different reasons because my reasons for being denied are due to me stupidly doing something wrong whereas your fiance has done nothing wrong but the basic principle is the same. Both of us failed to overcome presumed immigrant intent, me because I abused my tourist status many years ago and your fiance because she has shown that she DOES have immigrant intent. You say there is no reason to deny her visa but legally there is no reason why they would approve it. Legally they were obligated to deny it. It's not fair or just but that's how it is.

You are doing things the right way and logic would say that should work in your favour, but you'd be surprised how many people go down the K-1 route but still decide that they don't feel like waiting for it and use the tourist route to shorten the wait.

 

Stick around here for a while and you'll be truly amazed at the things that people try to get away with (and unfortunately often succeed).

After reading this forum for many years I'm honestly surprised any tourist visa are approved at all going by the huge amount of scams I've seen!


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October 29th 2000: She sends me e-mail asking if I would marry her

October 29th 2000(5 seconds later): I say yes

November 2000: She sends me tickets to Orlando for when I get back

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December 11th 2000: Fly to Orlando, she meets me at airport

December 22nd 2000: I fly back to UK

January 3rd 2001: She flies to UK (Good times)

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May 2001: I leave US before my 90 days are up

June 2001: I fly back to US, stopped at airport for questioning as I had only just left

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September 2001: She falls sick, I make decision to stay to look after her as I am afraid I may have problems getting back in.

April 16th 2002: Our son is born, we start getting stuff together for his passport

March 6th 2003: We leave US for UK as family

Early April 2003: Family troubles make her return to US, I ask Embassy in London about possibilities of returning to US

April 16th 2003: London Embassy informs me that I will be banned from the Visa Waiver Program for 10 years, my little boys first birthday

June 13th 2006: I-129f sent

August 11th 2006: NOA1 Recieved

After our relationship breaks down she admits to me that she had never bothered to start the application process

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i dont know why you are so surprised. a tourist visa is difficult, if not in many cases, impossible to get, when in the k1 process.

 

go there for the holidays.


5/7/2018 K1       Application mailed

5/9/2018             Application rec'd and signed for (sent via fedex)

5/14/2018          NOA1 Email notification

5/18/2018          NOA1 Paper copy rec'd (i797C)

11/5/2018          NOA2 ❤️ no RFE's

 

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4 hours ago, JerryTetiana said:

Thanks for the replies.  My frustration is presuming you are criminal and have ill intent to circumvent the law.  It's sad that others who break the law ruin it for those that are upstanding individuals.  It's more sad that when you prove you are willing to follow the law and prove you've already supplied every document asked for and paid the money and went through the effort to do everything the correct way - they still presume you to be a criminal. 

I am sorry to hear about the denial.  There is always presumption of immigrant intent (which must be overcome) when a person applies for a non-immigrant visa.  Although not true in your case, some people just get tired of waiting out the K-1 or CR-1....so they come to the US "early".....good luck...the toughest part is the waiting....


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  • POE Dallas DFW on June 22, 2017
  • SS Card received : 7/3/2017
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While I definitely understand your frustration, it isn't a surprising or uncommon thing, so I wouldn't waste too much emotional sanity being irate over it, to be honest. COs are trained to look at applicants on a case basis, not a person basis - they look for red flags or certain boxes to check to make their decision, and aren't getting to know you as a person to decide whether or not to grant a tourist visa. One of the things they have to look for is non-immigrant intent, and having an existing/pending K1 application definitely checks that box. With tourist visas, they want to see substantial ties to an applicant's home country and enough reason for them to return and not overstay, or never leave. Unfortunately, a LARGE amount of people DO circumvent processes every day to get around the process, and this is why COs have to be so critical with their decisions. It's unfortunate for those of us who do follow the rules and process, but the only advice I can give is to know that going about things the right way and NOT cheating the system only works out for you in the long run. Once you and your partner are together, you will never have anything hanging over your heads, or constantly be worrying about "the other shoe dropping", so to speak.

 

Best of luck to you, and prayers that you have much less waiting to do than you already have.


Håll ut, y'all.

 

               K1 Process                                                                                AOS Process

July 2015 - met online thanks to Zak Bagans                                                            May 25, 2018 - South Carolina marriage license issued

June 2016 - first in-person meeting                                                                             May 26, 2018 - legally married

August 2016 - stateside visit                                                                                        June 7, 2018 - applied for Social Security Number [manual verification required]

February-April 2017 - stateside visit                                                                           June 18, 2018 - SSN/card received in the mail

April 4, 2017 - got engaged                                                                                          June 30, 2018 - submitted I-485 (AOS)/I-765 (EAD)/I-131 (AP) together

June 5, 2017 - submitted I129F                                                                                   July 9, 2018 - AOS/EAD/AP electronic NOA1 received

June 12, 2017 - received NOA1                                                                                   July 13, 2018 - AOS/EAD/AP hard copy NOA1 received (dated July 6, 2018)

December 1, 2017 - received NOA2                                                                            July 25, 2018 - Biometrics appointment (Charlotte, NC)

January 17, 2018 - NVC received case                                                                      August 1, 2018 - case status updated to "Ready to be Scheduled for Interview"

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January 24, 2018 - packet received via email                                                           August 16, 2018 - AOS Interview Scheduled letter received

February 15, 2018 - medical appointment                                                                 August 28, 2018 - visited civil surgeon (Winston-Salem, NC) to complete I-693

February-March 2018 - trip to Gothenburg                                                                                                [beneficiary had to get one remaining vaccination stateside]

February 22, 2018 - interview at the US Embassy in Stockholm                            September 18, 2018 - I-485/AOS Interview in Greer, SC

                                    [passed, pending receipt of medical papers]                           September 18, 2018 - case status updated to "Card Has Been Issued/Mailed"

February 27, 2018 - medical papers received by Embassy                                     September 25, 2018 - Green Card received in the mail

March 5, 2018 - visa received in the mail with passport                                          October 6, 2018 - traditional wedding with family & friends

May 16, 2018 - POE in Charlotte, NC

 

 

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It is frustrating and at times seems to make no sense.  My step daughter is 7 years into an 11 year wait for her immigrant visa.  She has been refused twice for a tourist visa. More frustrating is that she is a flight attendant for Emirates, and is in the states monthly on her crew visa, (wherever the A380 flies).

 

 

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B1s rarely come through if you´re already undergoing the K1 process as it shows immigrant intent... most couples that visit each other during the k1 processing usually have a previously issued visa or ESTA and even then they're not garanteed admition into the US 

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