Is it true? Can't refuse a visa for the same reason the second time?

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

20 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

They just pointed at all of our papers, which was 6 pounds, and snarled, "Who did you pay for these?" He kept protesting that he was divorced and we didn't pay for our papers. He can't come to the US from Pakistan...they never give travel visas. However, he is a travel agent and has traveled all over the world. I can't add him to my bank account (they say) because he doesn't have a SSN. He lived in Serbia. We have a bank account there. I've made 10 trips, spent tons of money. We help each other with some bills. 

 

Our second application (Aug. 7, 2018) weighed 13 pounds, so yes, we have a bunch of evidence." The irony of the interview is just crazy. He's the calmest guy I have known. He doesn't get mad or upset like I can. He hasn't lied and is very calm. He deals with pressure much better than me. That's one reason he fell for their tactics. They were nice to him at first. Then when they took him into the "torture room" they started in on him. Their first words were, "We know how to deal with people LIKE YOU!" He had no idea what that meant or where it was going. Then they proceeded to berate him, scream Islamic prayers at him (which apparently is a big insult as he takes his religion so seriously), accuse him of being married to his first wife still, and on and on until they broke him down. He said it was like being in an altered state (my words) and that all he could think of was writing what was dictated to him to escape that room. He actually feels they could set him up as being a terrorist, especially since he has traveled.  When I thought about it, I don't blame him. He lives in a police state with cops on every corner. They could easily frame him for something, even though he has never even gotten a traffic ticket.

 

I can't move away because of several things. I'm 67 and really slowing down. He's in his 50's, but he has developed several health problems as a result of that interview. That's what is so crazy. Why would we lie? I need to keep working for the health insurance, I have an elderly dog that can't travel and a brother who has advanced MD that needs help. I need the money to pay bills plus I love my job.  I have lots of health issues, one being I will have to have major ear surgery within the next year. I have to have my ear worked on/surgery every 2 months by a specialist because I have a hole in my ear canal. Even my doctor says I need to stay where I am for my health issues and to be near my specialists. I can't imagine having to give up my good health insurance and starting over. We have learned to take it one day at a time. I have no expectations any more because it's too painful.

You can add him to banking account/  I added adil after our 2010 marriage/ he did not get his visa till 2015

you have to apply for a ITIN when filing tax returns (along with origianl of his ID and marriage certificate)

The ITIN is how a foreigner working in the US has a banking account 

you also need a POA from him allowing you to do banking 

then take the ITIN to the bank and add him

According to Federal banking laws you can do this

the bank will warn u not to let him empty the account (as his name is now on it) and they will not issue a debit card till he is here

 

 

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

I think the embassy may be following the norms for the country

For example 

I found out (after marrying ) that in Morocco it is not normal for a moroccan man to marry a divorced or widowed woman (another moroccan)

and i was a widow (20 year beautiful marriage)

but seeing it is not normal in Morocco we had to do extra to prove the reltionship

you say divorced 4 times definetly not a  norm in Pakistan

and i am not trying to be cruel or anything but pointing out to u the embassy would be suspect of a relationship

[Calicolom 265]

My best friend friend is from pakistan, we from a western country can not understand how pakistan works. If you have a gun in pakistan, you go tho a plot of land and say, this land is mine. The owner of the land better have a bigger gun, otherwise his land in gone. What does marriage mean then. ? 

[Lemonslice 4,549]

12 minutes ago, Calicolom said:

My best friend friend is from pakistan, we from a western country can not understand how pakistan works. If you have a gun in pakistan, you go tho a plot of land and say, this land is mine. The owner of the land better have a bigger gun, otherwise his land in gone. What does marriage mean then. ? 

Or divorce papers... that is what the embassy might be thinking (unfortunately for them).  If legal processes and local institutions are weak/corrupted, it becomes very hard for a foreign government to trust documents they issue, no?

Edited October 7, 2018 by Lemonslice

[NikLR 13,220]

Best wishes OP. Personally I think the thread should be closed as the OP recieved answers to their original question, yes you can be denied multiple times for the same reason. 

[Ahmed&Freda 628]

12 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

Or divorce papers... that is what the embassy might be thinking (unfortunately for them).  If legal processes and local institutions are weak/corrupted, it becomes very hard for a foreign government to trust documents they issue, no?

Yes!  Exactly that!

23 minutes ago, Calicolom said:

My best friend friend is from pakistan, we from a western country can not understand how pakistan works. If you have a gun in pakistan, you go tho a plot of land and say, this land is mine. The owner of the land better have a bigger gun, otherwise his land in gone. What does marriage mean then. ? 

Uh no... although a lot of barbaric type of behavior like this happens even in a  remote area or providences like Peshawar and Balochistan its very tribal one shows up with a gun to take land that is typically multi family would result in a huge war.  Now if that person shows up with lots of money they have a much better chance of corruption to get the result they want.

 

Marriage is a contract typically between families and extremely hard to break from.   Some divorces can result in honor killings and huge family feuds.  Most Pakistanis do not divorce out of fear and although they do not love the wife their parents fixed for them they just remarry another and move the first one out of the home (which is not islamically correct btw) as long as they provide for them the rest of their life its usually no big deal.  

 

In my husbands case his ex wife was found talking to another man...he tried divorcing her twice before but the family forced them together it was only after having this proof he was given consent to dissolve the marriage legally...but this is not easy.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Ahmed&Freda

[Love To Teach 161]

On 10/7/2018 at 11:32 AM, adil-rafa said:

You can add him to banking account/  I added adil after our 2010 marriage/ he did not get his visa till 2015

you have to apply for a ITIN when filing tax returns (along with origianl of his ID and marriage certificate)

The ITIN is how a foreigner working in the US has a banking account 

you also need a POA from him allowing you to do banking 

then take the ITIN to the bank and add him

According to Federal banking laws you can do this

the bank will warn u not to let him empty the account (as his name is now on it) and they will not issue a debit card till he is here

 

 

I started to do that several years ago, but with his 3 business in 2 different countries, I gave up after looking at all the forms. Now that he is working in Dubai, I will look into it again this tax season. I wish I could just write down what he makes rather than having to go through all the business expenses, papers, etc., because their paperwork is totally different AND their taxes and paperwork go from June to June. I actually went to a tax guy who does international taxes, who told me just to file separately. I do wish he had the ITIN number though.  I have been filing married, but separately.

[Villanelle 4,121]

3 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

I started to do that several years ago, but with his 3 business in 2 different countries, I gave up after looking at all the forms. Now that he is working in Dubai, I will look into it again this tax season. I wish I could just write down what he makes rather than having to go through all the business expenses, papers, etc., because their paperwork is totally different AND their taxes and paperwork go from June to June. I actually went to a tax guy who does international taxes, who told me just to file separately. I do wish he had the ITIN number though.  I have been filing married, but separately.

When is the new interview? Are you at that point yet?

 

At the new interview tell your husband to NOT bring up the false confession he signed (or even the fact that he was previously denied). If they bring it up- of course he has to answer but his answers should be very short- basically just acknowledging there was a first interview/denial. IF they want to go into the letter then he can address it and try to explain what happened. 

 

Honestly though I dont think you are going to have any issues at the second interview and just be placed into AP (which will take a long time). Sometimes people have these incredibly weird issues and have to jump through all kinds of hoops/pay fees/waste time etc and theres never really a good reason why it happens but it does. Its kind of like USCIS makes it super difficult but if you hang in there you get it because it was a true relationship so you made it through at the same time it weeds out the people who aren't. 

[Love To Teach 161]

We filed the second visa application on Aug. 7, 2018, so it will be a while before he gets an interview, assuming he gets one. Thanks for the advice! You give me some hope!!

[pushbrk 12,092]

13 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

We filed the second visa application on Aug. 7, 2018, so it will be a while before he gets an interview, assuming he gets one. Thanks for the advice! You give me some hope!!

What you filed was a petition.  The visa application comes AFTER the petition is approved.

[Love To Teach 161]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[Donna Ali 15]

On 10/6/2018 at 5:17 PM, Love To Teach said:

His ex asked for a divorce in 2008, he continued to live there (but not as husband and wife if you know what I mean) until they got divorced in 2010, as he was hoping she would change her mind. The ironic thing is that she is the one who wanted a divorce as she did not love him anymore. We got married in 2015. We will be married 3 years this month. They accused us of paying for our papers. Of course, he denied that. We have an immigration attorney in Pakistan and in the US. He actually asked to go through the Pak embassy, which I think is kind of crazy. BUT his lawyer will come with him, his ex, and kids will probably go the embassy too, even if they can't go in. Ill be there too. This is just insanity. I mean, what the heck do you have to do to prove we are a real couple? They used tactics on him that are used on prisoners and terrorists to scare him into writing a false confession. He actually went blank because of all the abuse and screaming. I have heard from others that have endured the same thing. It's just wrong in every way.

My husband and I just went through the same treatment at the us embassy in Islamabad with our cr1. They harassed me too, and kept saying my husband was fraud. He said I'm not fraud, wasn't asked to sign anything. Husband Said prove this, I'm not lying.  They just said appeal ur case.

[Love To Teach 161]

1 hour ago, Donna Ali said:

My husband and I just went through the same treatment at the us embassy in Islamabad with our cr1. They harassed me too, and kept saying my husband was fraud. He said I'm not fraud, wasn't asked to sign anything. Husband Said prove this, I'm not lying.  They just said appeal ur case.

So both of you were at the embassy? I will be there if he is allowed another interview. I feel like people on here don't really believe what happened to my husband. I think taking him into that "torture" room alone was what worked for them scaring the beejesus out of him. They actually had a "false confession" paper laid out and dictated what he was to write. I'm not sure they will ever let us past this, even though his ex has testified twice in front of a judge that they are divorced. This kind of harassment and terrorizing should NOT be allowed in an American embassy. They use the person's own countrymen to do their dirty work. I hope you will file a formal complaint. As long as nobody speaks up, they know they can continue this treatment. But their own rules of conduct state they are not to intimidate nor harass people they are interviewing.

 

The good news for you is that he did not write a coerced false confession, so you can probably get past this. I'm not sure we ever can. But we won't give up. No matter what happens, the public is going to know what is going on at that embassy.

 

As far as people on here saying they can't do anything, I don't believe that for a minute. How hard would it be for them to cause an "accident" in the car for one of his daughters, for example. They know where you live and all your business. That is a brutal country run by the police and military. Anyone can be made to disappear and you'd better not speak out. Just look at the journalist in the Turkish Embassy.....food for thought.

[Boiler 43,392]

The Istanbul situation involved a Saudi dissident inside a Saudi Embassy.

 

Can not say I was particularly surprised, I doubt many who pay attention were.