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[Boiler 43,393]

As an aside we see Arranged Marriages mentioned on here all the time, is there a particular reason your MIL has been so unsuccessful? I thought there were people who specialised in sorting these things out.

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

SIL2 can apply for a visit visa as often as she likes before or after her Mother files for her.

 

Seems extraordinarily unlikely she will get one for the very reasons you mentioned.

 

There is no visa for elderly care.

 

Which is why I asked that what are the chances or if it is even possible to apply for visit visa after her immigration process starts.

 

Also can my MIL apply for my SIL2's i-130 petition while she is in Pakistan or she has to be present in US?

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She can apply as often as she likes, applying is NOT the issue.

 

She can send in the docs from wherever she is, postal issue.

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Just now, Boiler said:

As an aside we see Arranged Marriages mentioned on here all the time, is there a particular reason your MIL has been so unsuccessful? I thought there were people who specialised in sorting these things out.

 

To be honest, I don't know why she has been unsuccessful but yes there are people who specializes in this and most of them demand money but no good proposals. my SIL2 had several proposals however, none of them were good according to my MIL or if she liked someone, the guys family was demanding. My main understanding is that since my SIL2 is not one of those typical doctor or engineer girl and she is way above the age of what most demand, the proposals are rejected. Also while my MIL is in US, she did get some back home however since she is here, she can't pursue or call them to come over. that is usually the process, the guy side comes over to see and talk.

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Sounds like SIL should invest time in OKCupid, Match, or eHarmony.

 

To be honest, the options are extremely limited. You are banking on getting your SIL here as soon as possible on whether or not she can get a visitor visa which, as you can see, is going to be tough.

 

All other options are seem to be out of your reach financially, like supporting her moving/ studying hin another country.

 

There is still an option of the mother abandoning the GC and moving back to Pakistan to support her daughter.

 

We know about the babysitting thing. We see it all the time here. Even though it is a cultural think in your country sometimes it doesn't work like that here. I can't tell you how many times a person's can't bring there parent her to help with a child because their visitor visa was rejected. In American culture, many result to paying for a sitter/ daycare.

 

Let's be honest, if the sibling category was removed it will NOT be a great impact. Like already said, the US is one of a few that offer it.

 

Many people would love to bring over extended family. There are some tough truths about immigration you will have to get used to. I have always said immigration can be harsh. There are 7 billion people in the world. There are billions (with a B) suffering in poverty. Millions or maybe even billions of people in the world have a desire to come to the US. The harsh truth is that most will not make it. "The US is made up of immigrants." Yes, that is true. But the US  only represents less that 5% of the world population. The US has no problem with having new immigrants here. It is just that in this day and time it has to MANAGE who, when, and how many immigrants migrate to maintain or social and economical safety.

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[Boiler 43,393]

Obviously I do not know all the dynamics but sounds like MiL needs to focus on SIL2.

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All those long explanations seem to show me is that you need the US immigration system to somehow help you sort out various cultural aspects (the childcare, the single SIL etc) that your family doesn’t want to compromise on. Unfortunately, and this is not just true for Pakistan, it’s true for people from many countries, emigration often means you need to compromise in ways you wouldn’t necessarily need to do back in the home country.  It seems to me your family now has to figure out where that compromise is.

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Family lookin after children is hardly unusual, my Grandparents looked after me, but they did not do so in a foreign country.

 

But otherwise most of this is more Pride and Prejudice than Immigration.

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23 minutes ago, rooji said:

 

To be honest, I don't know why she has been unsuccessful but yes there are people who specializes in this and most of them demand money but no good proposals. my SIL2 had several proposals however, none of them were good according to my MIL or if she liked someone, the guys family was demanding. My main understanding is that since my SIL2 is not one of those typical doctor or engineer girl and she is way above the age of what most demand, the proposals are rejected. Also while my MIL is in US, she did get some back home however since she is here, she can't pursue or call them to come over. that is usually the process, the guy side comes over to see and talk.

everyone tell you why ur sil has been unsuccessful but you do not believe.  illegal child care.  illegal work.  caring for child on visitor visa is illegal work.  us will not give ur sil visitor visa to come to us to do illegal work caring for child.  no way she get visitor visa cuz you want her to do illegal work caring for your child.  u want free child care and u think us should give her visa so she can come do illegal child care work.

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16 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

All those long explanations seem to show me is that you need the US immigration system to somehow help you sort out various cultural aspects (the childcare, the single SIL etc) that your family doesn’t want to compromise on. Unfortunately, and this is not just true for Pakistan, it’s true for people from many countries, emigration often means you need to compromise in ways you wouldn’t necessarily need to do back in the home country.  It seems to me your family now has to figure out where that compromise is.

So you did not read the end result did you? let me repeat again.

 

Our first priority here is to get my SIL settled be it here or there and I mean that from marriage perspective. That is the bottom line. Getting her settled here is not an option as far as marriage is concerned because majority of people have asked her to come here rather than them going to Pakistan to see and meet her and such. So right now we are trying to find a good person for her, that is the compromise, there. However if that plan fails, which seems to be case at the moment, we need to find another solution. So what you are saying is not even there you are assuming something that I did not suggest. So please refrain from making comments or assumptions that is simply not true.

 

11 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Family lookin after children is hardly unusual, my Grandparents looked after me, but they did not do so in a foreign country.

 

But otherwise most of this is more Pride and Prejudice than Immigration.

No i hope it is not pride and prejudice or even immigration but if immigration is the last option because that is what we are doing, a last resort at the moment then what are the steps.

 

10 minutes ago, BuiQuang said:

everyone tell you why ur sil has been unsuccessful but you do not believe.  illegal child care.  illegal work.  caring for child on visitor visa is illegal work.  us will not give ur sil visitor visa to come to us to do illegal work caring for child.  no way she get visitor visa cuz you want her to do illegal work caring for your child.  u want free child care and u think us should give her visa so she can come do illegal child care work.

 

I don't know if you read correctly because I did not suggest that. there is no Illegal work here being done it would have been illegal if my SIL2 stated she would not go back but she didn't state or intended because initially her mother and brother were still in pakistan and were not planning to come to US at that time. She just wanted to see her niece and nephew after they were born the second time and plus help her sister while she was recovering from her difficult pregnancies (which she had). I am not going for an illegal option here okay, I am looking for a legal solution which is where I asked about the MIL applying for her daughter.

 

Please refrain from stating comments or suggestions that are not there. you are misunderstanding the situation and please stop yelling here.

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17 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Family lookin after children is hardly unusual, my Grandparents looked after me, but they did not do so in a foreign country.

 

Of course family looking after children is not culture, but he is claiming that it is counter to their culture to pay for daycare. (But across the world as countries develop and more women get jobs and careers, so there  are fewer non-working family members to look after children. It’s hardly rocket science. It’s not US “culture” so much as a reflection of a developed economy.)

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1 minute ago, rooji said:

So you did not read the end result did you? let me repeat again.

 

Our first priority here is to get my SIL settled be it here or there and I mean that from marriage perspective. 

That is not a US immigration issue. That is the point people are making. This is an immigration forum.

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Just now, SusieQQQ said:

That is not a US immigration issue. That is the point people are making. This is an immigration forum.

Okay let me make it a immigration issue which is what I initially asked.

 

Is it okay for my MIL to apply for her daughter and once the process is pending, is it okay to apply for visit visa? is there a conflict to do that? If there is then what would be the best option?

 

The whole marriage thing comes because of what you all keep thinking and suggesting that is not there. You all asked to do a compromise and I am not saying that no one is however if that fails then we need a backup and right now the backup is immigration.

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Alright I am going to make few things clear here that people keep having doubts about.

 

1. my MIL wants to move here and live here, especially with her one and only son (my husband) and me. Not to mention she has her daughter who needs her at the moment. She is torn between her 2 daughters.

2. my MIL is old and it drains her to travel back and forth from time to time so at the moment we have two options to minimize that discomfort for her: apply for re-entry permission so she can stay there for 2 years and get my SIL2 settled or apply for her daughter and then stay here and then apply for my SIL2's visit visa so my SIL2 can come and go without my MIL going to Pakistan. But what are chances or how it will impact her petition with my SIL2's 3 rejection. I am asking about the legal process as well.

3. our main priority is to get my SIL2 settled be it here or anywhere else and that will happen only if my MIL stay in Pakistan with her.

4. It is not easy and safe for a lonely person (be it guy or girl) to stay in pakistan, especially when you are not earning enough and you don't have extended family's support or have no one with you living with you. It is even harder to work as a girl in pakistan alone especially where favors are granted to those who know high profile people in their work environment. My husband had issue.

5. financially, leaving to study abroad or to even work abroad, it is harder not to mention the visa restrictions for pakistani holder.

6. culturally it is different lifestyle from America or many other european countries (I am well aware of US customs and culture as I grew up here) so some aspects are harder to understand.

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11 minutes ago, rooji said:

Okay let me make it a immigration issue which is what I initially asked.

 

Is it okay for my MIL to apply for her daughter and once the process is pending, is it okay to apply for visit visa? is there a conflict to do that? If there is then what would be the best option?

 

 

That question has been answered thoroughly already. Of course your MIL can apply for her daughter. Your SIL can then apply for a visit visa but given the history you described and the context, she probably won’t get one and would have to wait in Pakistan until there is a visa available for her, or until she gets married at which point the petition as child of LPR would lapse.