751 Request For Evidence..already sent

[Palmer 12]

So we finally got a piece of mail back from USCIS per filing my wife's I 751 and they are asking for more evidence to establish a bonafide relationship between me and my wife. "However, you have not established that the marriage upon which you were granted conditional status was entered into good faith."

 

Per the application the following was sent in that shows both of are names on the information:

 

Marriage certificate

Bank account statements

Loan statements

Three years of tax returns

Car insurance idntification

Copies if driver's licenses that have the same address, of course.

 

My wife is not on the mortgage statement because I was told by the bank I would have to refinance our house to do that...crazy.

 

Either way, what else should I send in to prove that we are married in good faith?

 

I'm so pissed off that we waited this long for an RFE.

 

And, we applied for green card renewal 15 months ago and still don't have that....wonderful.

 

Thanks

[bob72601 13]

I had to refinance my house to add my spouse. It's just how it is, but we did it.

[mindthegap 2,521]

It could be just because it has been so long since filing that they have sent an RFE. Or, random.

 

Send some up to date evidence - ideally as recent as possible - and hopefully all should be well.

 

18 minutes ago, bob72601 said:

I had to refinance my house to add my spouse. It's just how it is, but we did it.

 

You did this just for I-751 purposes?

With all due respect that is absolutely crazy.

[bob72601 13]

Yes, it was for I-751 purposes. Why would I NOT want to add my spouse to our home? While you may find it crazy, that is the ONLY way to add someone to a mortgage. I would question someone who would think otherwise.

[cyclone27 710]

Utilities, credit card, memberships, cards, photos, wills, power of attorney, travel itineraries together, health insurance, life insurance 

[Usagi_tsukino 89]

In addition to what is mentioned above, facebook photos where people are liking and commenting pictures of both of you. Affidavits from relatives and friends. Good luck, i've certainly been there : )

[mindthegap 2,521]

1 hour ago, bob72601 said:

Yes, it was for I-751 purposes. Why would I NOT want to add my spouse to our home? While you may find it crazy, that is the ONLY way to add someone to a mortgage. I would question someone who would think otherwise.

You are preaching to the wrong (divorced) person - as such I can think of one fairly major reason! 

 

My point was that it was a pretty major thing to do solely for the purposes of submission for the I-751 and probably cost you some cash to do so.

All relationships are different and there isn't a set list of requirements,  only vague and fairly subjective guidelines from a checklist someone has devised. 

 

[Villanelle 4,121]

what did you send? Just the application?  read through the ROC forum for ideas of what to send

[Palmer 12]

Thanks all...yes, sent all the info stated in the first post....

Will send many pages from Facebook...I'm talking a book here.

Power of Attorney 

Utility bills

Car title and registration

Toenail clippings

Hair from the tub drain....yes, I will put one in there

...and whatever I can think of.

 

 

[islandgirl80 28]

2 hours ago, Palmer said:

Thanks all...yes, sent all the info stated in the first post....

Will send many pages from Facebook...I'm talking a book here.

Power of Attorney 

Utility bills

Car title and registration

Toenail clippings

Hair from the tub drain....yes, I will put one in there

...and whatever I can think of.

 

 

Do not forget the 2016 tax return transcript

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

19 hours ago, bob72601 said:

Yes, it was for I-751 purposes. Why would I NOT want to add my spouse to our home? While you may find it crazy, that is the ONLY way to add someone to a mortgage. I would question someone who would think otherwise.

 

My husband wasn't on our house and it was approved.  There are a number of other people in similar situations who have gotten approval for ROC.  It isn't necessary, but does mean you might need to supplement with some additional information.

[Cathi 5,610]

23 hours ago, bob72601 said:

I had to refinance my house to add my spouse. It's just how it is, but we did it.

This is not necessary. I'm not on the mortgage and we did not refinance.

 

OP:

I also sent copies of joint health & dental insurance cards and policy

His showing me and my children as beneficiary on life insurance

2 affidavits

joint utility bills such as electric, cable and gas

cell phone statements

statements of joint credit cards

joint bank account statements

And without a doubt you need to send joint tax returns

There is no reason whatsoever that you need to refinance your home, we didn't and we were fine.

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2017 by Cathi

[CaliRose 19]

23 hours ago, Palmer said:

So we finally got a piece of mail back from USCIS per filing my wife's I 751 and they are asking for more evidence to establish a bonafide relationship between me and my wife. "However, you have not established that the marriage upon which you were granted conditional status was entered into good faith."

 

Per the application the following was sent in that shows both of are names on the information:

 

Marriage certificate

Bank account statements

Loan statements

Three years of tax returns

Car insurance idntification

Copies if driver's licenses that have the same address, of course.

 

My wife is not on the mortgage statement because I was told by the bank I would have to refinance our house to do that...crazy.

 

Either way, what else should I send in to prove that we are married in good faith?

 

I'm so pissed off that we waited this long for an RFE.

 

And, we applied for green card renewal 15 months ago and still don't have that....wonderful.

 

Thanks

That is reallyyyyy crazyyyy well everything you have submitted we have submitted  too - loan statements and - car insurance :(( we actually ask 3rd party to be witness so she  write a letter and explain how she usually see our relationship and she state  we are attending to some gathering and events and then we sent her letter with the copy of her passport. HOPE that's works too

 we have not get any notification after NOA1 yet but hopefully they don't ask us any more evidence :((.  

[afrocraft 313]

Being more methodical about the evidence you submit might be more effective. Maybe the framework below might help? 

 

Note: I use a star rating to represent the (subjective) strength of some examples of the evidence (*** for strong/verifiable/difficult to fake; ** moderate; * weak). Using multiple corroborating evidence for each section below from the date of marriage to the present, you want to show that you both:

 

Cohabit (CRITICAL):

• Government IDs with same address***
• Signed lease agreements with both names**
• Bills in both names for utilities that are home-specific (electric, gas, cable, land lines but not cell phones)**
• Renters insurance policy in both names**
• Correspondence in both names*
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your living circumstances*
• Etc.

Co-mingle finances (CRITICAL):

Assets jointly owned

• Titles for significant assets (real estate, cars,  collectibles, etc.) in both names***
• Joint financial account (bank, investment) statements with transaction history**
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your financial practices*

Liabilities jointly responsible for

• Tax returns/transcripts showing Married Filed Joint status***
• Joint credit card statements**
• Joint mortgage/car loan/personal loan docs**
• Signed lease agreements with both names**
• Utility bills in both names**
• Joint health insurance documentation**
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your financial practices*

Share life experiences:

• Birth certificates of children you've had together**
• Travel documentation in both names (boarding passes/hotel receipts > bookings) **
• Well chosen pictures of you together (e.g., to support travel above, or child birth above, or other major family events)*
• Shared memberships*
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your shared experiences*

Plan for the future together:

• Beneficiary nominations on retirement accounts**
• Child savings accounts**
• Wills***
• Estate trust documents***
• Power of attorney***
• Joint life insurance policies***
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your future plans*

I would aim to provide at least 2 of the evidence in each section (the weaker the evidence you have, the more the corroboration you might need). Where you're lacking, explain why in your letter, and be creative in looking for alternative evidence. Remember: where possible, for each evidence, provide from date of marriage to the present (e.g., travel docs from Year 1 AND Year 2 AND Year X). Hope this helps.

Edited October 4, 2017 by afrocraft

[Leo7777 243]

20 hours ago, afrocraft said:

Being more methodical about the evidence you submit might be more effective. Maybe the framework below might help? 

 

Note: I use a star rating to represent the (subjective) strength of some examples of the evidence (*** for strong/verifiable/difficult to fake; ** moderate; * weak). Using multiple corroborating evidence for each section below from the date of marriage to the present, you want to show that you both:

 

Cohabit (CRITICAL):

• Government IDs with same address***
• Signed lease agreements with both names**
• Bills in both names for utilities that are home-specific (electric, gas, cable, land lines but not cell phones)**
• Renters insurance policy in both names**
• Correspondence in both names*
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your living circumstances*
• Etc.

Co-mingle finances (CRITICAL):

Assets jointly owned

• Titles for significant assets (real estate, cars,  collectibles, etc.) in both names***
• Joint financial account (bank, investment) statements with transaction history**
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your financial practices*

Liabilities jointly responsible for

• Tax returns/transcripts showing Married Filed Joint status***
• Joint credit card statements**
• Joint mortgage/car loan/personal loan docs**
• Signed lease agreements with both names**
• Utility bills in both names**
• Joint health insurance documentation**
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your financial practices*

Share life experiences:

• Birth certificates of children you've had together**
• Travel documentation in both names (boarding passes/hotel receipts > bookings) **
• Well chosen pictures of you together (e.g., to support travel above, or child birth above, or other major family events)*
• Shared memberships*
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your shared experiences*

Plan for the future together:

• Beneficiary nominations on retirement accounts**
• Child savings accounts**
• Wills***
• Estate trust documents***
• Power of attorney***
• Joint life insurance policies***
• Your letter to USCIS/affidavits explaining your future plans*

I would aim to provide at least 2 of the evidence in each section (the weaker the evidence you have, the more the corroboration you might need). Where you're lacking, explain why in your letter, and be creative in looking for alternative evidence. Remember: where possible, for each evidence, provide from date of marriage to the present (e.g., travel docs from Year 1 AND Year 2 AND Year X). Hope this helps.

Excellent write-up.  Thanks for your work and sharing.