UC Irvine puts pro-Palestinian activists on probation for disrupting Israeli event

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, OriZ said:

This time it did.

 

But hey, marching peacefully and saying jews will not replace us isn't peaceful. Spitting at people, as long as you are in a pro palestinian/leftist group and they are jews/israelis - perfectly peaceful.

    Stop overreacting. Nobody said that it was peaceful or that it was OK. 

[TBoneTX 43,045]

13 hours ago, OriZ said:

if I got spat at

+1 for using correct past tense of "spit"

[OriZ 3,157]

23 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

    Stop overreacting. Nobody said that it was peaceful or that it was OK. 

You said it was not violent. Not violent or peaceful, same thing. Make up your mind.

[CaliCat 3,957]

"I am sure there were some good and bad people on both sides"

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, OriZ said:

You said it was not violent. Not violent or peaceful, same thing. Make up your mind.

  

      I am using these standard definitions. Apologies if that caused any confusion. 

 

vi·o·lence
ˈvī(ə)ləns
noun
behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

peace·ful
ˈpēsfəl
adjective
1.
free from disturbance; tranquil.
2.
not involving war or violence.

[smilesammich 10,727]

On 9/5/2017 at 7:02 AM, Steeleballz said:

 

     Was there any actual violence that you know of? The article said yelling, obscenities, humiliating behavior and spitting. Doesn't sound much different than a Donald Trump rally TBH.

 

     Not that I approve of that type of behavior, but if I'm seeing people condone it on one hand, I don't know how they decide to condemn it with the other. 

here's some actual violence

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

[OriZ 3,157]

7 hours ago, CaliCat said:

"I am sure there were some good and bad people on both sides"

Wrong. One side was violent, the other wasn't.

 

6 hours ago, smilesammich said:

here's some actual violence

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

That's not what this thread is about. You want to change the topic open a new thread, do not hijack this one.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

8 hours ago, CaliCat said:

"I am sure there were some good and bad people on both sides"

Trump is that you 

[smilesammich 10,727]

10 hours ago, OriZ said:

That's not what this thread is about. You want to change the topic open a new thread, do not hijack this one.

not about violence? no one was hijacking your thread, i am allowed to respond to others' comments-no? how about, chill.

[OriZ 3,157]

24 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

not about violence? no one was hijacking your thread, i am allowed to respond to others' comments-no? how about, chill.

Sorry, we already have a million threads about the conflict, this isn't what this thread is about but nice attempt at deflecting. Your link is just a bunch of random incidents on both sides(so not sure what you were trying to show there about who's violent, since it even includes Palestinian honor killings). So I take it that just like supporting antifa's and blm's tactics, you also have no issue with this group of goons not being willing to even discuss, peacefully, the conflict, which is not unusual because we all know that according to one side, only one side can be right.

 

PS most people in Israel do not see a Palestinian state as a threat, the conflict is a little more complicated than that, but simple minds, kinda like those goons in the OP, don't really seem to understand anything about it.

Edited September 7, 2017 by OriZ

[CaliCat 3,957]

10 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Sorry, we already have a million threads about the conflict, this isn't what this thread is about but nice attempt at deflecting. Your link is just a bunch of random incidents on both sides(so not sure what you were trying to show there about who's violent, since it even includes Palestinian honor killings). So I take it that just like supporting antifa's and blm's tactics, you also have no issue with this group of goons not being willing to even discuss, peacefully, the conflict, which is not unusual because we all know that according to one side, only one side can be right.

 

PS most people in Israel do not see a Palestinian state as a threat, the conflict is a little more complicated than that, but simple minds, kinda like those goons in the OP, don't really seem to understand anything about it.

 

They need to express those feelings to their rulers, and make them known to the whole world. In your own words, there are incidents on both sides, which goes back to our so-called president's comments that "there are good and bad people on both sides." 

 

If the Israeli people would support a Palestinian state, they need to make their voices heard.

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Sorry, we already have a million threads about the conflict, this isn't what this thread is about but nice attempt at deflecting. Your link is just a bunch of random incidents on both sides(so not sure what you were trying to show there about who's violent, since it even includes Palestinian honor killings). So I take it that just like supporting antifa's and blm's tactics, you also have no issue with this group of goons not being willing to even discuss, peacefully, the conflict, which is not unusual because we all know that according to one side, only one side can be right.

 

PS most people in Israel do not see a Palestinian state as a threat, the conflict is a little more complicated than that, but simple minds, kinda like those goons in the OP, don't really seem to understand anything about it.

from my view it appears you take issue with people who don't see a particular conflict exactly as you see it, and when someone is passionate about a conflict from a view you don't agree with - you decide they simply don't understand, they're goons. but you're right, there are a ton of threads about the israeli/palestinian conflict (this one is not any different) and from what i've seen anyone who dares support palestinian human rights are instantly labelled a violent terrorist supporter (not surprised) - same as how antifa and blm are lumped into the violent terrorist category while white supremacist/kkk 'goons' are nothing more than a pesky dwindling nuisance. smh.

 

ps. as i mentioned above, we disagree on this topic so therefore i must be told 'the conflict is a little more complicated than that, but simple minds.." blah. maybe spare yourself attempting to discuss a topic when you can't handle people not agreeing with you.

 

thread is all yours, i'm out.

[OriZ 3,157]

2 hours ago, CaliCat said:

 

They need to express those feelings to their rulers, and make them known to the whole world. In your own words, there are incidents on both sides, which goes back to our so-called president's comments that "there are good and bad people on both sides." 

 

If the Israeli people would support a Palestinian state, they need to make their voices heard.

The vast majority of Israeli leaders do not see a problem with it either. Again, as I said, it's not the state per se that's a threat, and I've covered the issues with reaching an agreement extensively in the past. Like I said it is off topic so not going into it. Anybody who thinks there is a simple solution is out of their minds. 

 

2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

from my view it appears you take issue with people who don't see a particular conflict exactly as you see it, and when someone is passionate about a conflict from a view you don't agree with - you decide they simply don't understand, they're goons. but you're right, there are a ton of threads about the israeli/palestinian conflict (this one is not any different) and from what i've seen anyone who dares support palestinian human rights are instantly labelled a violent terrorist supporter (not surprised) - same as how antifa and blm are lumped into the violent terrorist category while white supremacist/kkk 'goons' are nothing more than a pesky dwindling nuisance. smh.

 

ps. as i mentioned above, we disagree on this topic so therefore i must be told 'the conflict is a little more complicated than that, but simple minds.." blah. maybe spare yourself attempting to discuss a topic when you can't handle people not agreeing with you.

 

thread is all yours, i'm out.

 

Nope, you're wrong as usual. I have no issue with people who don't see a particular conflict exactly as I see it(more leftist psychological projection?). They're goons for their behaviour. If they didn't act that way, I would have no issue with their view point - that should be elementary to understand really. This thread is different, it's not about the conflict, but about how one side behaves every single time when dealing with Israelis or even Jews in campuses. 

 

"Anyone who dares support palestinian human rights" - LOL what a joke. I support everybody's rights. Again, this isn't about rights, it's about behaviour and the right way to go about things. Just like Antifa, BLM, and these goons, they all do it wrong, and deserve to be scrutinized for it.

 

I'm glad you decided this isn't the place to discuss this, would save us both alot of time.

[smilesammich 10,727]

15 minutes ago, OriZ said:

This thread is different, it's not about the conflict, but about how one side behaves every single time when dealing with Israelis or even Jews in campuses. 

 

spare me.

[OriZ 3,157]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

spare me.

Still no condemnation by the peaceful folks...hmmm