will i get RFE for not sending all passport pages?

[EandH0904 1,184]

I sent all pages, including blanks because in essence, it shows where you didn't go. I've been to several countries but not Iran or Syria or other places that might be questioned. By showing blank pages you show the limits essentially of where you've travelled. At least with your current passport. Copying an extra 10 pages is a waste yeah but not a big deal to just do. 

[chi6488 93]

For additional information on required documentation, see the USCIS website at www.uscis.gov/I-129F or refer to the
regulations in 8 CFR 214.2(k) that governs petitions for nonimmigrant alien fiancé(e)s and spouses.
3. Evidence of U.S. citizenship which may include any of the following:
A. A copy of your birth certificate issued by a U.S. civil authority;
B. A copy of your original Certificate of Naturalization;
C. A copy of your original Certificate of Citizenship;
D. A copy of your Form FS-240, Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States;
E. A copy of your valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card issued with a validity period of at least five years;
or
F. A statement executed by a U.S. consular officer certifying that you are a U.S. citizen and the bearer of a currently
valid U.S. passport.
 

 

This was what I downloaded in April 2017

[geowrian 22,335]

2 hours ago, George & Roth said:

In the current I-129F instructions they say ". A copy of your valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card issued with a validity period of at least five years" and they specifically removed the part asking for all pages.

 

Logically, I am left to deduce they do not need all pages. They are perhaps imperfect, but they certainly would not remove the part asking for all pages by accident. 

Possibly. They significantly modified the I-129F in that edition: reworded sections, moved sections, clarified some items, added several sections, etc. I wouldn't put it past them to miss some words or to deem them redundant/unnecessary. I'm not saying that is the case, but that it's a realistic possibility. As a counter-point to removing the wording implying that it's no longer needed, if they really only wanted the bio page then they easily could have put that wording there instead. Greater ambiguity means there's more room for interpretation.

 

If the IO issues an RFE for all pages, there's no (valid) argument to say he's actually wrong in his interpretation...the current wording permits this. If they deem it unnecessary, he's also not wrong as the wording doesn't require it either. Either way, the safest option is to send them all so there is no confusion. Let's just hope they accept only the info page here.

 

For reference (to others who want to review the changes between forms):

12/23/16 instructions: https://web.archive.org/web/20170209191754/https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-129finstr.pdf

04/10/17 instructions: https://web.archive.org/web/20170505141030/https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-129finstr.pdf

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1 hour ago, Meg&Andrew said:

It's better to send them and be on the safe side. Even if it doesn't state you must anymore,  you still never know if an adjucator is made aware of that or not. I guess we can keep an eye out in the next months and see if this produces any RFE's. This will be the only way to know for sure. Also with your birth certificate I'd send the front and back of this as well. 

EXACTLY, better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!

[Redheadguy03 505]

I sent in my bio page and pages with stamps in it. Now, I did send my birth certificate as well, but we had no issues at all. I was born overseas on a military base, so it was a bit of a concern. 

[Peot 128]

With all due respect to other posts here in disagreement.... submitting all pages of the passport, even for proving US Citizenship Status, is completely bonkers. We just sent in the bio-page, and that was absolutely 100% fine. Also sent in a single stamp page from that passport, by the way for full disclosure.

 

The latest I-129F instructions DO NOT suggest sending all pages. There is absolutely no reason why a person should abide by the older instructions as they are expired. Do not follow old instructions.

In fact, the latest instructions even indicate a "passport card" would suffice which has no more info on it than a typical full passport bio page has.

 

To further my point, my passport has 35 pages in it...... you want someone to send in 35 blank pages, and that will prove their citizenship beyond the bio page? When a front/back birth certificate does the same?? When a limited-travel passport card does the same? Is this supposed to be some kind of anti-fraud precaution as though they can't look up and confirm citizenship via passport number?

 

If you actually get an RFE for not including all pages, I think you'd win some kind of trophy here. Has anyone here EVER seen that happen even by the old instructions? I did a search and couldn't pull up a single person.... including the RFE master list.

I found one passport for citizenship from 2012 get an RFE and they DID send in all pages, so.... 

 

Personally, I can't reason with the "better safe than sorry" argument for a case like this, because submitting unnecessary documentation, blank pages, romance novels, 100 pages of chat transcripts, and so forth are what makes the NOA2 wait time so long in the first place. Often it's because people see older outdated instruction pages or info pages online that they feel worried they also need to abide by.

 

 

EDIT: I wanted to also point out though that if for some bizarre reason you get an RFE, much to the shock of many a person here, it's really really not a big deal. You fix the issue they define and send back the documentation... delays things a few weeks to a month. Not anything to worry about whatsoever.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2017 by Peot

[Meg&Andrew 297]

Well, I used the "better safe than sorry" scenario in all of my husbands paperwork,  and knock on wood we've yet to have an RFE. Although being delayed a few weeks to a couple of months may not seem huge to you, the anticipation of getting my husband here was far too great to just up and risk an RFE for something I could possibly avoid. Even when I was told that you didn't need wet signatures anymore, I still included them to be sure that I didn't risk delaying our process. I included lots and lots of pages of chats, phone calls, boarding passes, movie tickets, etc. Everything possible to show that our relationship was legitimate. I don't think pages of chats and etc have anything to do with what makes NOA2 times long. There's many many factors, and that's not one of them.  

1 hour ago, Peot said:

With all due respect to other posts here in disagreement.... submitting all pages of the passport, even for proving US Citizenship Status, is completely bonkers. We just sent in the bio-page, and that was absolutely 100% fine. Also sent in a single stamp page from that passport, by the way for full disclosure.

 

The latest I-129F instructions DO NOT suggest sending all pages. There is absolutely no reason why a person should abide by the older instructions as they are expired. Do not follow old instructions.

In fact, the latest instructions even indicate a "passport card" would suffice which has no more info on it than a typical full passport bio page has.

 

To further my point, my passport has 35 pages in it...... you want someone to send in 35 blank pages, and that will prove their citizenship beyond the bio page? When a front/back birth certificate does the same?? When a limited-travel passport card does the same? Is this supposed to be some kind of anti-fraud precaution as though they can't look up and confirm citizenship via passport number?

 

If you actually get an RFE for not including all pages, I think you'd win some kind of trophy here. Has anyone here EVER seen that happen even by the old instructions? I did a search and couldn't pull up a single person.... including the RFE master list.

I found one passport for citizenship from 2012 get an RFE and they DID send in all pages, so.... 

 

Personally, I can't reason with the "better safe than sorry" argument for a case like this, because submitting unnecessary documentation, blank pages, romance novels, 100 pages of chat transcripts, and so forth are what makes the NOA2 wait time so long in the first place. Often it's because people see older outdated instruction pages or info pages online that they feel worried they also need to abide by.

 

 

EDIT: I wanted to also point out though that if for some bizarre reason you get an RFE, much to the shock of many a person here, it's really really not a big deal. You fix the issue they define and send back the documentation... delays things a few weeks to a month. Not anything to worry about whatsoever.

 

 

 

[amaraimee 109]

On 9/3/2017 at 0:19 AM, Amir Alam said:

Dude are you serious right now? All pages? What are they gonna do with empty pages? Can you explain where does it say that you should print all the pages from passport? I only heard about info pages where contains all the information.

My best guess as to why they want the empty pages is to see where you've been. How do they know they're empty without being seen? People who have been to certain countries are often looked into more- this is a way for them to see where you've been and how recent it was.

[Saadat Alam 24]

2 hours ago, aimeelancaster said:

My best guess as to why they want the empty pages is to see where you've been. How do they know they're empty without being seen? People who have been to certain countries are often looked into more- this is a way for them to see where you've been and how recent it was.

They know exactly where you went. I never sent an empty pages and I had no problem. 

[Peot 128]

4 hours ago, aimeelancaster said:

My best guess as to why they want the empty pages is to see where you've been. How do they know they're empty without being seen? People who have been to certain countries are often looked into more- this is a way for them to see where you've been and how recent it was.

Not at all. Many many many people simply show their birth certificates, citizenship status, or single "passport cards". Those people don't have to prove travel to high-risk countries, and neither do you. You're not going to punish those who have to use their actual passport by putting them under higher scrutiny.

 

The only reason a person would ask to see all pages is to validate the document as being legal and not a forgery, and that's a FAR stretch, especially if you make it all the way to the interview stage. They will physically have your passport in hand at that time. They have simply realized that it was a meaningless request that was causing them to sort through 30+ extra pages for nothing.

 

Bio-page + stamp pages are all anyone should send.

[MandW 310]

I hired a lawyer to handle my petition, all he requested was bio page of my passport to prove I'm a US citizen , and her bio page. As part of my evidence of meeting the "must provide evidence of meeting within the last 2 years" I included the page in my passport of my Taiwan stamps (both trips stamped on same page) as evidence of me being in Taiwan along with photos together. Lawyer didn't say "need copy of every page" and if needed I think he would know and would have told me.

[MandW 310]

I called my lawyer and he assured me ONLY the bio page is needed. NOT every page.