The Minimum Wage Eats Restaurants

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

12 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

I rarely eat fast food but the average meal at a place like McDonald's is $6-7 or more. To me that is already too much for the junk they sell. How many people do you think will want to pay say $10 for a meal from McDonald's? Not very many.

 

A place like McDonald's has two choices when faced with these ridiculous "living wage" laws. Raise the price of their food or lay people off. These "living wage" laws have the unintended consequence of causing lay offs because a business generally would rather cut labor costs than raise prices on their products.

 

Who is actually naive enough to believe a burger flipping job at McDonald's is supposed to be a job you can make a decent living from or even support a family from? These are supposed to be part time jobs for high school or college students to make a little extra money.

 

If you want to make a decent living or support your family perhaps you should find a job that produces a good or service that is worth enough to society to justify a living wage. I worked in fast food when I was younger and made about $7 an hour. I never expected a living wage from it and it motivated me to learn a skilled trade and better myself. If you want to make a career out of flipping burgers you shouldn't expect to earn the wage of a skilled worker.

Who says folks choose a carrer flipping  burgers?  You moved on.others can as well

 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

11 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Who says folks choose a carrer flipping  burgers?  You moved on.others can as well

 

My father in law kept saying when he retired he was going to go flip burgers for fun, maybe its a way to end a career. He never got his wish in the end, he has dedicated himself to getting veterans to medical appointments and looking after their other needs instead.

[Boiler 43,397]

Not sure about McDonalds but have some knowledge of Restaurants and who works in them and flipping burgers, well working on the line, is very hard work and skilled.

 

Always struck me as odd that the serving staff are usually paid a lot better than the kitchen staff. Well in the US.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

7 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Maybe sky high rents are causing restaurants to close, but certain groups with an agenda have decided to blame the minimum wage?

This is an extremely popular tactic for attacking minimum wage.

[OriZ 3,157]

13 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Maybe sky high rents are causing restaurants to close, but certain groups with an agenda have decided to blame the minimum wage?

Maybe sky high rents are a consequence of high minimum wage?

 

9 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

How can you try to tip 20%. Either you do or you don't. I always tip 20% unless they cop a really bad attitude.  If it's a small check then I tip more than 20%. 

18 dollar check at Waffle House I usually leave a 5.

 

I agree I'd you work hard you should make enough to survive. That does not mean 50 dollar nails, new doo every week . Live within your means .

I always START at 20%. By that I mean, the rest is up to them. If they give the service they should, they'll get that. Otherwise, depending on what they do wrong, I start deducting points in my head along the way. If I don't feel they deserve the 20% they certainly don't get it. 

[OriZ 3,157]

This whole thread is a deja vu btw...

 

 

[Dashinka 23,209]

12 minutes ago, OriZ said:

This whole thread is a deja vu btw...

 

 

Definitely!

[Teddy B 17,251]

10 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

How can you try to tip 20%. Either you do or you don't. I always tip 20% unless they cop a really bad attitude.  If it's a small check then I tip more than 20%. 

18 dollar check at Waffle House I usually leave a 5.

 

I agree I'd you work hard you should make enough to survive. That does not mean 50 dollar nails, new doo every week . Live within your means .

That's cause you got that kind of ca$h!!

 

Edited May 16, 2017 by Teddy B

[Teddy B 17,251]

12 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I don't, perhaps I just don't believe that labor should loose out, just because of a relatively weak bargaining position. 

I think what a lot of people overlook when it comes to a living minimum wage is that the owners and CEO's of these minimum wage companies are making money hand over fist. What needs to be done in order to provide a living minimum wage and keep costs of goods and services down so people can still afford to purchase them is to cap the salaries of the owners and CEO's of these companies. The balance between management/CEO salaries and worker salaries is way off in the US and capitalism is to blame. I'm in favor of a mandatory percentage cap on mngmnt/CEO/owner salaries across the board with the remainder of the profits divided amongst the other employees.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

4 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

I think what a lot of people overlook when it comes to a living minimum wage is that the owners and CEO's of these minimum wage companies are making money hand over fist. What needs to be done in order to provide a living minimum wage and keep costs of goods and services down so people can still afford to purchase them is to cap the salaries of the owners and CEO's of these companies. The balance between management/CEO salaries and worker salaries is way off in the US and capitalism is to blame. I'm in favor of a mandatory percentage cap on mngmnt/CEO/owner salaries across the board with the remainder of the profits divided amongst the other employees.

But in the case SF and other large cities the largest service you buy, the rent is astronomical so lowering the costs of other things is a drop in the bucket.  Agree with you on the earnings package and distribution of earnigns.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

21 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

That's cause you got that kind of ca$h!!

 

deBase!

[Teddy B 17,251]

1 minute ago, ccneat said:

But in the case SF and other large cities the largest service you buy, the rent is astronomical so lowering the costs of other things is a drop in the bucket.  Agree with you on the earnings package and distribution of earnigns.

I don't see how that ties in with what I said, I didn't say anything about lowering costs.

 

[jg121783 3,907]

13 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

I think what a lot of people overlook when it comes to a living minimum wage is that the owners and CEO's of these minimum wage companies are making money hand over fist. What needs to be done in order to provide a living minimum wage and keep costs of goods and services down so people can still afford to purchase them is to cap the salaries of the owners and CEO's of these companies. The balance between management/CEO salaries and worker salaries is way off in the US and capitalism is to blame. I'm in favor of a mandatory percentage cap on mngmnt/CEO/owner salaries across the board with the remainder of the profits divided amongst the other employees.

It isn't enough to dictate to business owners how much they have to pay their employees. Now you want to dictate to them how much of a profit they can earn? Unbelievable. Let's take away people's motivation to grow their business and create more jobs.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Teddy B said:

I don't see how that ties in with what I said, I didn't say anything about lowering costs.

 

This part " What needs to be done in order to provide a living minimum wage and keep costs of goods and services down so people can still afford to purchase them "  which makes sense except for high rent areas

[Teddy B 17,251]

2 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

It isn't enough to dictate to business owners how much they have to pay their employees. Now you want to dictate to them how much of a profit they can earn? Unbelievable. Let's take away people's motivation to grow their business and create more jobs.

What part of a "percentage based cap" did you not understand? If the company grows, everyone makes more money. What's wrong with that? Why should the owners/ceo's make a disproportionatly high amount of money over the people who do the grunt work?